Testing Spirits

[lsume]

When a spirit comes, and tells me that it's OK to ignore YHWH's perfect Torah; how do I test that spirit?

Something that is perhaps always on topic is praying for Christ to increase your Perfect Love in God The Father. When I started asking Christ to increase my Love for The GodHead, He answered by revealing more about The Perfect Nature of our Heaven Father. I believe that anyone whom Christ Reveals The Nature of God The Father too will automatically Love Him. Such Goodness is a great Blessing to be allowed to See. I cannot imagine anyone not immediately Loving God The Father when some of His Nature has been revealed.

 

[HARK!]

The father wishes to be Worshiped in spirit and in truth.

How do we acquire the Ruach?

The Complete Jewish Bible
Acts 5:32
We are witnesses to these things; so is the Ruach HaKodesh, whom God has given to those who obey him."

(CLV) Ps 119:142
Your righteousness is eonian righteousness, And Your law is truth.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Rely on a book? I rely on YHWH. YHWH said that he would write his law on our hearts, not write fruit on our hearts. The law has become our escort to Messiah.

Here is what messiah says concerning life:

(CLV) Mt 4:4
Yet He, answering, said, "It is written, Not on bread alone shall man be living, but on every declaration going out through the mouth of God.'"

Exactly every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

Since we're indwelt by the Holy Spirit, that means something different than solely checking scripture as asked in your previous post.

Since the Holy Spirit brings things God said back to remembrance, it's important to follow the leadings.

There's this discernment that matures within us, so even if we don't have the words to understand why something is off spiritually. The Holy Spirit within us can give us that discernment, if we Trust Him.

Relying on the bible to the extent of not trusting God as another unclean spirit can result on being on your own until you repent.

 

[nolidad]

So you acknowledge that there is a distinct difference between the bloodline of Israel, and those who are of Israel by faith. That's my point. It's good to see you coming along.

Yahshua was commissioned for none but Israel. YHWH's covenant is with Israel. I pray that you are not willfully excluding yourself from this covenant.

I have believed that all along. Too bad you didn't bother to read my posts a little more carefully.

As for the new Covenant, I am a wild olive branch grafted onto the place of blessing of the new covenant God made with the 12 tribes!

35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

The seed here is physical Israel!

Then maybe you should rethink the way that you interact.

Nope! I call them as I see them !

So Yahweh showed Himself exceedingly angered with Israel and put them away, out of His presence. None remained but the tribe of Judah by itself alone.

What does the word "none" mean to you?

The consensus is that Jeremiah wrote this book. If so; is Jeremiah a false witness?

So you can believe in a literal translation then? Maybe at this point just Judah remained (though there were still levites) But as Jeremiah said tribe, I would believe that it was tribe that remained as a tribe and not stragglers from the other tribes. But that is all subjective.

Seriously?

In other words it's not as grossly embellished as many other translations?

BTW, you're officially off topic now.

Yes I am off topic, but that is because you are using a poor translation, and I would rescue you. If you understood rules of translation, you would realize that teh CLV, Emphatic diaglott and a few others are poor English bibles because a word in Greek translated harshly literal is an incorrect use in English. Like aionios which almost always means forever or eternal though its very very literal translation is age during!

 

[nolidad]

...And this ad hominem fallacy disproves the validity of the translation of verse I posted, how?

How do you say, "straining at gnats?"

Well if you wish to use a translation of one who openly admits that Jesus is not God- that is your problem. And it is not an ad-hominem, it is simply publishing here what KNoch himself has openly declared. Many downplay the CLV because of the simple fact that a word in one language when stricltly translated does not make sense in another language due to many things. Like the literal denari. What does that mean in English??? He also ignores rules of translation for setting up sentences from Greek to English. He just simply translates in word for word order which butchers the translating into English!

 

[HARK!]

Well if you wish to use a translation of one who openly admits that Jesus is not God- that is your problem. And it is not an ad-hominem, it is simply publishing here what KNoch himself has openly declared. Many downplay the CLV because of the simple fact that a word in one language when stricltly translated does not make sense in another language due to many things. Like the literal denari. What does that mean in English??? He also ignores rules of translation for setting up sentences from Greek to English. He just simply translates in word for word order which butchers the translating into English!

This is not the thread for this discussion. If you would like to show the error in the verse I posted; that would be on topic. So far you have failed to present a logical argument.

 

[HARK!]

Relying on the bible to the extent of not trusting God as another unclean spirit can result on being on your own until you repent.

So regarding the topic of this thread, has this God you speak of, told you to ignore YHWH's perfect Torah?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

So regarding the topic of this thread, has this God you speak of, told you to ignore YHWH's perfect Torah?

No. The New testament principles are higher in order, so they replace them. In reality, the commandments of the new covenant are harder. I can see why people want to rely on the old rules.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

So in testing spirits, one must understand the nature of the covenant we are in.

If one only tests spirits by the words they say, then a lying spirit will deceive you by telling you what you want to hear. Since we are given the reality of the kingdom of God to live by, it needs to be how we view the world and also test spirits.

 

[HARK!]

No. The New testament principles are higher in order, so they replace them. In reality, the commandments of the new covenant are harder. I can see why people want to rely on the old rules.

Yahshua didn't replace the law. He magnified it.

 

[HARK!]

Since we are given the reality of the kingdom of God to live by,

What is this reality of the kingdom of God? Where is it defined?

 

[Noxot]

How do we acquire the Ruach?

The Complete Jewish Bible
Acts 5:32
We are witnesses to these things; so is the Ruach HaKodesh, whom God has given to those who obey him."

(CLV) Ps 119:142
Your righteousness is eonian righteousness, And Your law is truth.

We must be born from above by The Obedience of the cross. If the law was given by Angels like Paul claims then our conversation must be in heaven to even understand the law.

 

[HARK!]

We must be born from above by The Obedience of the cross. If the law was given by Angels like Paul claims then our conversation must be in heaven to even understand the law.

The angel was here on earth.

The Book of Jubilees 1:26

And He said to the angel of the presence: Write for Moses from the beginning of creation till My sanctuary has been built among them for all eternity.

 

[Minister Monardo]

What is this reality of the kingdom of God? Where is it defined?

Righteousness, Peace, Joy in the Holy Ghost...
Righteousness, Peace, Joy in the Holy Ghost, that's the Kingdom of God.
Don't you wanna be a part of the Kingdom,
Don't you wanna be a part of the Kingdom...

 

[HARK!]

Righteousness, Peace, Joy in the Holy Ghost...
Righteousness, Peace, Joy in the Holy Ghost, that's the Kingdom of God.
Don't you wanna be a part of the Kingdom,
Don't you wanna be a part of the Kingdom...

Are the kingdom and the reality of the kingdom the same thing? If so, and we are to live "by" the kingdom; and the kingdom is defined by righteousness; then we are to live by righteousness.

How do we define righteousness?

What is righteousness?

Definition of righteous

1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
Definition of RIGHTEOUS


1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

 

[Minister Monardo]

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.[/QUOTE]

I know the scriptures well.
I know the power of my relationship with the One who makes me righteous even better.
Romans 14:17. For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink;
but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Why do you think Paul makes this direct association of righteousness with peace and joy?
If what you are doing with your life does not allow you to experience the peace of Christ in your heart, and know the joy of your salvation, then your righteousness is not real,
even if it seems to meet some criteria found in a Bible dictionary.
1 Timothy 1:5. But the aim of our instruction is love that comes from a pure heart,
a good conscience, and a sincere faith.
Galatians 5:5. For we
through the Spirit
wait for the hope (trust in)
righteousness by faith.
John 15:11. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain (abide)
in you, and that your joy might be full.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Righteousness, Peace, Joy in the Holy Ghost...
Righteousness, Peace, Joy in the Holy Ghost, that's the Kingdom of God.
Don't you wanna be a part of the Kingdom,
Don't you wanna be a part of the Kingdom...

Song by Ron Kenoly

 

[HARK!]

Why do you think Paul makes this direct association of righteousness with peace and joy?

That's intuitive for me.

Without righteousness, you will have no peace. Without peace, it is not easy to find joy.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yahshua didn't replace the law. He magnified it.

Totally got nailed to the cross with Him, Jesus is the law now.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

What is this reality of the kingdom of God? Where is it defined?

Hmm, sounds like the carnal mind is looking for a definition, and it won't find one. This is kind of why rust and moth cannot destroy it. It cannot be quantified.

The written code is a shadow of sorts, but you learn by applying it in relationship with God. As you live with God, the Holy Spirit brings passages back to remembrance to guide you - this is how it is given definition.