Testing Spirits

[nolidad]

Messiah's law is YHWH's law. YHWH wrote it down for Moses.



Nonsense.

YOu need to read Galatians.

 

[HARK!]

and as Paul declared in Galatians- the law was never given to make one righteous- but to drive us to Jesus!

That's what Paul said. He said that is what the law has become. (present perfect tense)

(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

James goes on to say:

(CLV) Ja 2:22
You are observing that faith worked together with his works, and by works was faith perfected.

(CLV) Ja 2:23
And fulfilled was the scripture which is saying, Now "Abraham believes God, and it is reckoned to him for righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God."

(CLV) Ja 2:24
You see that by works a man is being justified, and not by faith only.

 

[nolidad]

Sorry, I'll just go with scripture.

(CLV) 2Ki 17:18
So Yahweh showed Himself exceedingly angered with Israel and put them away, out of His presence. None remained but the tribe of Judah by itself alone.

YOu should read a little more- for Israel was the ten tribes and Judah was the two southern tribes (Judah and Benjamin) See I go with Scripture! Too bad for you!

 

[HARK!]

YOu need to read Galatians.

I have. If you need some help just let me know.

 

[HARK!]

YOu should read a little more- for Israel was the ten tribes and Judah was the two southern tribes (Judah and Benjamin) See I go with Scripture! Too bad for you!

Show me, in scripture, where YHWH will make a new covenant with Benjamin.

 

[nolidad]

The word "religion" appears nowhere in the TaNaK.

Where do you get this stuff?

Did not the mixed multitude enter the contract that YHWH made with Israel?

Who did YHWH make the contract with?

Straining at gnats! That is used to differentiate the ethnos of Israel from the worshippers of faith but I thiought you knew that! My bad, I will use much simpler terms then.

 

[nolidad]

WOW! Of course I notice that you offered nothing to back up this wild assertion.

Here is what the CLV says:

Well teh CLV was teh brain child of E. Knoch who was a notable heretic. Among his gib heresies was the belief in souls sleep and he denied the Deity of Jesus! wouldn't want to trust one who calls themselves a Christian and writes a translation with that darkness in their soul!

 

[lsume]

That really didn't answer the question; but here is what Peter says concerning what you brought forth:

1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

So if you are correct; it would seem that if a spirit tells us it's OK to ignore YHWH's Torah; and we are born again by YHWH's word, which includes YHWH's Torah; we will know if that spirit is lying?

The law will never be taken away to my understanding. Christ came to fulfill the law correct? We can’t ever earn our way into heaven. Christ made it possible for man to be saved. We will never be saved because we obeyed the law. The Ten Commandments were given as a guideline for Christian behavior. What Christ gave us was The Perfect Way whereby we might make peace with God The Father through our High Priest forever, Jesus The Christ.

 

[nolidad]

Show me, in scripture, where YHWH will make a new covenant with Benjamin.

Well I may get reported on for this but are you that bereft of Biblical knowledge??? It also doesn't say Issachar or Levi or Joseph or Reuben or Gad.!

After teh division Israel was comprised of the ten northern tribes and Judah the two southern tribes! If you cannot understand these simple truths, we may need to put a stop to our wonderful and intense discussion!

 

[nolidad]

WOW! Of course I notice that you offered nothing to back up this wild assertion.

Here is what the CLV says:

Well here are a few comments on why Knochs concordant method is very flawed.

The Concordant Literal New Testament

Concordant Literal Version

Its stroct literalness waters down meaning in translation. I have been arguing with some UR'ers who use this version and they reject eternal torment for th elost based on the CLV defining aionios as age-during thus not meaning eternal. Knoch forgot thsat translating from one language to another often means leaving the strict literalness because of the way words are used! Just Like we acccept God is eternal because of Owlam which by strict definition means hidden!

 

[nolidad]

Show me, in scripture, where YHWH will make a new covenant with Benjamin.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

Now You can accept this as meaning just Jacob and Judah or accept what is biblically, historically true! The house of Israel was the ten northern tribes and the house of Judah was Judah and Benjamin. If you can't accept that then I guess we are done!

 

[HARK!]

Straining at gnats! That is used to differentiate the ethnos of Israel from the worshippers of faith but I thiought you knew that! My bad, I will use much simpler terms then.

So you acknowledge that there is a distinct difference between the bloodline of Israel, and those who are of Israel by faith. That's my point. It's good to see you coming along.

Yahshua was commissioned for none but Israel. YHWH's covenant is with Israel. I pray that you are not willfully excluding yourself from this covenant.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

We seem to keep coming back to scripture.

You initially said that we can test a message only by its' fruit; but in the very next sentence you seemed to indicate that we test the fruit with scripture. Now you state the standard is in the Bible.



The Torah is scripture. As a matter of fact, when the NT was being written; and it referred to scripture; the TaNaK was the only know scripture at that time.

So when a spirit tells me to ignore scripture; it would seem that you are telling me that the ultimate test of that message, is scripture itself. If so, that would mean that message fails on its' face.

Am I understanding you correctly?

You are not understanding me correctly.

The written words is like the shadow, the body is how the word becomes flesh in the life of those who are born again.

So in understanding what the fruit is, it is our task to look for the fruit in reality - not just rely on a book like Jesus never died on the cross.

 

[HARK!]

Well teh CLV was teh brain child of E. Knoch who was a notable heretic.

...And this ad hominem fallacy disproves the validity of the translation of verse I posted, how?

How do you say, "straining at gnats?"

 

[HARK!]

Its stroct literalness waters down meaning in translation.

Seriously?

In other words it's not as grossly embellished as many other translations?

BTW, you're officially off topic now.

 

[HARK!]

The law will never be taken away to my understanding.

That is my understanding, that the law is the nature of YHWH.

Christ came to fulfill the law correct?

To condemn transgression of the law, that the law may be fulfilled in us; correct?

Christ made it possible for man to be saved.

...or at least he helped, by being obedient to YHWH's law. You do understand that there is no savior beside YHWH; correct?

YesheYahu (Isa) 43:
11 I, even I, am YHWH; and beside Me there is no savior

YHWH saves us through Yahshua.

We will never be saved because we obeyed the law.

Will those be saved who continue in rebellion to the law?

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

The Ten Commandments were given as a guideline for Christian behavior.

If this is so; then why aren't they called "The Ten Guidelines?"

 

[HARK!]

Well I may get reported on for this but are you that bereft of Biblical knowledge???

Then maybe you should rethink the way that you interact.

It also doesn't say Issachar or Levi or Joseph or Reuben or Gad.!

After teh division Israel was comprised of the ten northern tribes and Judah the two southern tribes! If you cannot understand these simple truths, we may need to put a stop to our wonderful and intense discussion!

Let me put is a little more simply.

Is YHWH good for his word?

(CLV) 2Ki 17:18
So Yahweh showed Himself exceedingly angered with Israel and put them away, out of His presence. None remained but the tribe of Judah by itself alone.

What does the word "none" mean to you?

The consensus is that Jeremiah wrote this book. If so; is Jeremiah a false witness?

 

[HARK!]

You are not understanding me correctly.

The written words is like the shadow, the body is how the word becomes flesh in the life of those who are born again.

So in understanding what the fruit is, it is our task to look for the fruit in reality - not just rely on a book like Jesus never died on the cross.

Rely on a book? I rely on YHWH. YHWH said that he would write his law on our hearts, not write fruit on our hearts. The law has become our escort to Messiah.

Here is what messiah says concerning life:

(CLV) Mt 4:4
Yet He, answering, said, "It is written, Not on bread alone shall man be living, but on every declaration going out through the mouth of God.'"

 

[lsume]

That is my understanding, that the law is the nature of YHWH.



To condemn transgression of the law, that the law may be fulfilled in us; correct?




...or at least he helped, by being obedient to YHWH's law. You do understand that there is no savior beside YHWH; correct?

YesheYahu (Isa) 43:
11 I, even I, am YHWH; and beside Me there is no savior

YHWH saves us through Yahshua.



Will those be saved who continue in rebellion to the law?

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.



If this is so; then why aren't they called "The Ten Guidelines?"

All of the Brothers and Sisters in Christ are saved by Grace. Only Christ was deserving of salvation and thank God The Father for the huge Sacrifice. Of course everyone is saved by Grace except Christ. Something that I have considered is the immense pain Christ suffered in that for the first time in history He was separated from His Father.
Praise God!

 

[Noxot]

When a spirit comes, and tells me that it's OK to ignore YHWH's perfect Torah; how do I test that spirit?

You either discern wisdom from the statement from God or you hear the devil speak something. Therefore love the good and hate the evil. So basically it's the same as when you read the Bible. Ignore the suggestions from hell and love those from heaven. In spirit we become all that we adopt for ourselves. outward appearances do not matter as much as the spiritual reality. The father wishes to be Worshiped in spirit and in truth.