Testable Creation Facts

[Kylie]

Show us any other being in the Universe with the ability to reason, to know good and evil. ONLY God and Humans (descendants of Adam) have the ability to reason. Genesis 3:22

Well, that's just wrong. Reasoning has been observed in quite a few species other than Humans...

https://www.ucd.ie/artspgs/langmind/animalreasoning.pdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982214015577

Causal Reasoning in Rats

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1981-32033-001

 

[coffee4u]

Are you a born again Christian since Scripture tells us that only those born of the Spirit can understand spiritual things. 1 Corinthians 2:14

False. The perfect 3rd Heaven is where Christians go AFTER the present world is burned. Revelation 21:1

Correct, but Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans (descendants of Adam) to marry, so they married the prehistoric people who were already here when the Ark arrived in the mountains of Ararat 11k years ago. The children, which are today's Humans have the DNA of prehistoric people (sons of God) Genesis 6:4 AND the intelligence of Adam who had a mind like God's. Genesis 3:22

FYI, Angels are not flesh and do not have sex with Humans AND they are held in chains under darkness. Jde 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

False, since the heaven and earth were created, but God does NOT say that the deep or water was created since water is a compound of two gases in the heaven.

You are correct UNLESS you are living in the last days before Jesus returns. Today, God is currently pouring our His Spirit (Spirit of Truth) through Science upon ALL flesh, Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: unless you can tell us a way for evolutionists and unbelievers to understand His Truth. Amen?

If you read the Bible and add nothing to it, God made Adam and Eve and placed them in the garden. The world at that point was perfect. There was no death and Adam and Eve had the ability to literally walk and talk with God in the garden. I am not talking about Heaven itself, only that the garden was like heaven. We are told one day that God will remake the earth, that there will be a new heavens and a new earth. It will be remade back to how it was.

They disobeyed God and the world was cursed because of sin. The world changed because of their sin. The world then had death, disease, thorns were as it had not had these before. This is what I mean by the second world. I am not meaning heaven or another planet but the earth under our feet. God changed the world and the laws governing it. Sin came through Adam and death from sin.
Romans 5:12 KJB
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned"

Then we are told that wickedness increased and the fallen angels had children with women. This is why they are now in chains. They can't have children with women now but but they could then.
God then sent a worldwide flood in judgment. This is the world we now live on.

Noah's son's each had a wife, no doubt each couple had many children. They married their siblings the same way that Cain married his sister. There was no law on that at that time. Even in Abraham's time he could marry his sister, Sarah was his half-sister. It wasn't until Moses that God made a law against sibling marriage. No where does it say they married some pre-historic people.

God made everything including water-or are you saying something else made the water?

 

[pitabread]

It's testable evidence of the literal God since NO man of the time knew any of this.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc - Wikipedia (Post-hoc fallacy)
Confirmation bias - Wikipedia

You've been told this already, but evidently you don't care that your "evidence" for a literal is based on weak-sauce reasoning and fallacious logic.

Are you just trolling? At this point it seems like you're just trolling.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

At this point it seems like you're just trolling.

At this point? where have you been all this time?

 

[pitabread]

At this point? where have you been all this time?

Admittedly I'm a little slow...

 

[pitabread]

Shall we start a betting pool on how long it takes for this thread to get locked?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Be more specific so I can refute your views.

My view, as expressed in that post, is very specific. "That claim is a lie".

To be even clearer, this is the specific definition of "lie" that I am using: "an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer" (Merriam-Webster, Noun 2, 1b)

Now, why do I consider your post to be a lie? Because you have been shown (with supporting evidence) multiple times, in multiple threads, by multiple users that your assertions are incorrect. If you want to deny that you have been corrected, then we will have another instance of a lie. I am perfectly happy to provide links to specific refutations of any point you wish to choose.

Good luck with your refutation of my view

 

[Aman777]

Uh, no. You postulate that men could have not known something 3000 years ago and then take any evidence that men did know (or suspect) it as proof of god when it is not even weak evidence.

We know double talk when we see it too. Fact is that NO man of the time, even for thousands of years later, KNEW and WROTE of recently discovered scientific facts. It's proof that we are living in the last days when Science is pouring out God's Truth for all to see and compare with God's Truth in Genesis. It's proof of God.

Even if you somehow managed to show that it had to have been revealed to men that does not even come close to proving god. It could just as well been revealed by aliens who at the time were only slightly more advanced than we are now.

ONLY God and the descendants of Adam have the superior intelligence of Humans. Genesis 3:22 Since there was but ONE Ark, there are NO more intelligent aliens in space. We will find life throughout the Universe BUT we will NOT find a more intelligent being than Humans, since we were made with the mind of God.

 

[Aman777]

Yes.

In Post 37, Coffee4U, who is a Christian, says he disagrees with you.

Tell us how you know someone is a Christians or NOT.

 

[Aman777]

I'll just wait until you have showed how you did this.

It's because Noah is the FIRST Human to step foot on the present Earth, according to History.

 

[Aman777]

Shall we start a betting pool on how long it takes for this thread to get locked?

I'll give it a few more days. It's too embarrassing for the evolution believers who cannot refute God's Truth. Instead of learning, they will probably call for the elimination of me.

 

[Aman777]

My view, as expressed in that post, is very specific. "That claim is a lie".

To be even clearer, this is the specific definition of "lie" that I am using: "an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer" (Merriam-Webster, Noun 2, 1b)

Now, why do I consider your post to be a lie? Because you have been shown (with supporting evidence) multiple times, in multiple threads, by multiple users that your assertions are incorrect. If you want to deny that you have been corrected, then we will have another instance of a lie. I am perfectly happy to provide links to specific refutations of any point you wish to choose.

Good luck with your refutation of my view

Why waste my time? You have presented NO evidence which supports your view.

 

[Aman777]

Well, that's just wrong. Reasoning has been observed in quite a few species other than Humans...

The reason our Legal system tries the owner instead of the animal is that the animal does NOT have the intelligence to understand the changes made against them.

 

[Aman777]

If you read the Bible and add nothing to it, God made Adam and Eve and placed them in the garden. The world at that point was perfect. There was no death and Adam and Eve had the ability to literally walk and talk with God in the garden. I am not talking about Heaven itself, only that the garden was like heaven. We are told one day that God will remake the earth, that there will be a new heavens and a new earth. It will be remade back to how it was.

Nothing personal, but your view is the traditional view of ancient Jews, so I will show you the problems with that view. I have bolded some of your statements and will answer regarding your post.

God made Adam and Eve and placed them in the garden is false in many ways. God didn't make Adam but instead Lord God or Jesus formed Adam and placed him in the Garden on the THIRD Day Genesis 2:4-7 On the FIFTH Day, God made everything living from Water, including prehistoric people. Genesis 1:21 AFTER that, Jesus made Eve. Genesis 2:22
The world at that point was perfect. False, the perfect world will NOT be perfect until the end of the present 6th Day/Age in the creation of the perfect Heaven. Then ALL of the host of Heaven will be in Heaven and ALL of God's work will be finished or brought to perfection. It's the end of ALL of God's Work. Genesis 2:1-3
It will be remade back to how it was. The first Heaven/firmament was only miles in diameter, flat and totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 the New Heaven and New Earth is in God's perfect Heaven. Revelation 21:1

I will continue if you wish but i don't want to seem too negative. Amen?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Why waste my time? You have presented NO evidence which supports your view.

That claim is a lie. If you want to accuse me of dishonesty you better be very sure of yourself.

Proverbs 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight.

 

[Kylie]

Tell us how you know someone is a Christians or NOT.

Because they say they are.

Are you suggesting that Coffee4U is lying when he says he is a Christian? That's against the forum rules, y'know.

 

[Kylie]

It's because Noah is the FIRST Human to step foot on the present Earth, according to History.

There is no historical record to show this.

 

[Kylie]

The reason our Legal system tries the owner instead of the animal is that the animal does NOT have the intelligence to understand the changes made against them.

Is that the best you can do?

Animals aren't intelligent because Humans don't take them to court?

 

[coffee4u]

You are picking on my word choice now. We can argue over word choice of made/formed, perfect/pristine, day 1/vs day 6. Some of that is semantics.

By perfect world I mean as perfect as it could be for unfallen sinless people. Maybe pristine is a better word. It represented perfection. I believe it was a shadow of the perfect world to come. The same way the Passover lamb was a shadow of Jesus. We know there was no disease, death or bloodshed, animals were vegetarians, Adam and Eve could walk and talk with God in the garden, meaning they could see God and not die. There was no pain in childbirth and no toil to live, all animals were tame. I also believe there was no rain and that the garden got watered by coming up from the ground.

There are no prehistoric people. Saying there were makes you sound like the evolutionists that you are trying to score points of. Maybe you should check your word choice. There are no scriptures which say Noah's grandchildren married some prehistoric people. All others were killed in the flood. They married their siblings.

We are to believe by faith not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7 You can't point to some fact and say this prooves creation or this prooves God did this. We believe it by faith. John 20: Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. The point is that those of us who believe in creation do so against the prevailing science of this day. I believe the changes that the world went through from first made-fall-food made any human-made dating methods give completing wrong results because they are based on fixed rates of decay. This I believe is the strong delusion. 2 Thes 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

What you are saying no church agrees with including the baptists. I see no point to continuing since you will not change my thoughts and I won't change yours.
Have a blessed day.

 

[keith99]

Is that the best you can do?

Animals aren't intelligent because Humans don't take them to court?

Does that mean pigs used to be more intelligent?

Animal trial - Wikipedia

I recall that there were times even inanimate objects were tired. Unfortunately the case I vaguely remember was an axe tried for murder and that tends to lead a search engine to axe murders or which there are many.