Tell 5 reasons why your way is good

[Wryetui]

Yes. God It is not an explanation, but it is the cause. Because when those miracles happened, the prayers were being recited, the prayings to our Lord and Savior.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yes. God It is not an explanation, but it is the cause. Because when those miracles happened, the prayers were being recited, the prayings to our Lord and Savior.

Why God? What makes that explanation a good one?

 

[Wryetui]

I would love to see all of you atheists in a situation like that and in more of the same, so you can give your "explanations".

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I would love to see all of you atheists in a situation like that and in more of the same, so you can give your "explanations".

You haven't provided an explanation for these alleged events, so I wouldn't hurry to mount your high horse.

 

[quatona]

Yes. God It is not an explanation

Exactly.
So I don´t have an explanation, and neither have - you even after invoking non-natural forces.

 

[Wryetui]

I have, God did those wonders and miracles. You just don't accept that cause. There are thousands of wonders all over the world happening (you would be astonished to know what the orthodox monks hide in their monasteries), you just need faith.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I have, God did those wonders and miracles.

How do you know that?

You just don't accept that cause.

Is there a reason I should accept it?

There are thousands of wonders all over the world happening (you would be astonished to know what the orthodox monks hide in their monasteries), you just need faith.

How about evidence instead?

 

[Wryetui]

You don't know it, you don't accept it and you want evidence, it is perfectly fine, you didn't live it so you don't know what it feels like. I just wanted to tell you that it is an entire world that so many of you deny because you don't believe it, and you are in your right on not believing it. I hope it won't be too much of a shock to you when you die and you realize that you are still conscious, you still have your memories and your thoughts intact and you are before the God you denied your entire life.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You don't know it, you don't accept it and you want evidence, it is perfectly fine, you didn't live it so you don't know what it feels like.

Having been a Christian myself, and experiencing what I believed at the time to be demonic forces, I do know what it feels like. But I also recognise that what it feels like isn't always the way it really is.

 

[Wryetui]

Reason and evidence is not the only way things can be felt. In Germany, the School of Friedrich Heinrich Jacobi taught that human reason is able to perceive the suprasensible. Jacobi distinguished three faculties: sense, reason, and understanding. Just as sense has immediate perception of the material so has reason immediate perception of the immaterial, while the understanding brings these perceptions to a person's consciousness and unites them to one another. God's existence, then, cannot be proven (Jacobi, like Immanuel Kant, rejected the absolute value of the principle of causality), it must be felt by the mind.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Reason and evidence is not the only way things can be felt. In Germany, the School of Friedrich Heinrich Jacobi taught that human reason is able to perceive the suprasensible. Jacobi distinguished three faculties: sense, reason, and understanding. Just as sense has immediate perception of the material so has reason immediate perception of the immaterial, while the understanding brings these perceptions to a person's consciousness and unites them to one another. God's existence, then, cannot be proven (Jacobi, like Immanuel Kant, rejected the absolute value of the principle of causality), it must be felt by the mind.

What of those individuals who feel a different God or those who feel no God at all?

 

[Wryetui]

The same about those individuals who buy things with counterfeit money. We all know that counterfeit money exists, we can even buy things with that counterfeit money and some may never know that the money they have is counterfeit, but after all, is only false money that is worth nothing. But it doesn't mean that somewhere, true and worth working for money does exist, and there are people that are buying, spending or saving that true money. Try to seek for the real "money" instead for counterfeits

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The same about those individuals who buy things with counterfeit money. We all know that counterfeit money exists, we can even buy things with that counterfeit money and some may never know that the money they have is counterfeit, but after all, is only false money that is worth nothing. But it doesn't mean that somewhere, true and worth working for money does exist, and there are people that are buying, spending or saving that true money. Try to seek for the real "money" instead for counterfeits

How do you know you are trading with real money and not a counterfeit?

 

[Wryetui]

By checking the banknote, testing it and comparing it with other banknotes. All the other banknotes were false, the mine came to be the only true one.

 

[JackofSpades]

I think it more in a way that religions are user interfaces for spirituality. Question is not so much about are they true or not, but are they useful tools for that purpose, to connect with god and spiritual reality by using their practises/teachings. Religion doesn't have to be entirely true to serve that purpose. I think truth is overrated, I prefer usability over it.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

By checking the banknote, testing it and comparing it with other banknotes. All the other banknotes were false, the mine came to be the only true one.

I'm somewhat skeptical of you having tested all the other banknotes, but suppose I give you the benefit of the doubt; how did you determine that all the other banknotes were counterfeit and that yours is the only legitimate theological currency?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I think it more in a way that religions are user interfaces for spirituality. Question is not so much about are they true or not, but are they useful tools for that purpose, to connect with god and spiritual reality by using their practises/teachings. Religion doesn't have to be entirely true to serve that purpose. I think truth is overrated, I prefer usability over it.

This is essentially no different to saying that you don't care about whether it's true or not, so long as it feels right. Well, there are people who do care about truth. Are you suggesting religion has nothing to offer them? I would agree with this point: if someone cares enough about believing as many true things as possible, then religion offers very little to satisfy them.

 

[JackofSpades]

This is essentially no different to saying that you don't care about whether it's true or not, so long as it feels right.

That's simplification, but I guess you could say that.

Well, there are people who do care about truth. Are you suggesting religion has nothing to offer them? I would agree with this point: if someone cares enough about believing as many true things as possible, then religion offers very little to satisfy them.

Maybe, maybe not, I don't know. I guess those people will have to figure it out themselves.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

That's simplification, but I guess you could say that.

Maybe, maybe not, I don't know. I guess those people will have to figure it out themselves.

To me, this would seem to be a prime example of how religion corrupts the intellect: you are basically saying that so long as one finds certain religious ideas satisfying, it doesn't matter whether they are true or not. All that matters is how the person feels: if it feels good, believe it; truth be damned!

 

[com7fy8]

Jesus, of course, is the Way.

But I can offer five ways that Christianity are good for me >

1. Real correction, by God Himself > Hebrews 12:6-11 > better than how I have tried to reform myself; but people have helped. Forgiveness, of course, is great, but being corrected helps stop the things that need to be forgiven.

2. Perfect peace . . . not only a feeling, but God in His peace can personally rule how I am and what I do and how I relate >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

3. People who are good for me . . . examples of how to be real with God and love any and all people. God has made us "members of one another" (Romans 12:5, Ephesians 4:25); so like how members of a body need each other, we are even essential for each other (Ephesians 4:29, 1 Peter 4:9-10), and this is better than being on my own (James 5:16).

4. Family sharing with people who are not in my natural family > in God's love I have better sharing than I have had in my natural family, and this with various people, not only ones with my interests.

5. I can have realization that my ideals are not enough to change and help others > only God can change anyone's character