Taking questions on Embedded Age Creation

[AV1611VET]

It's actually quite simple.

According to AV1611VET, God created the Earth roughly 6,000 years ago.

BUT, when he did so, it was already 4.5 billion years old.

That about sum it up, AV?

Yes.

When God spoke this earth into existence, it came into existence 4.57 billion years old.

 

[1000Flames]

When God spoke this earth into existence, it came into existence 4.57 billion years old.

Why?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why?

I don't know why.

My guess is for anthropic reasons.

I like what Adam Clarke says:

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

It appears that God created every thing, not only perfect as it respects its nature, but also in a state of maturity, so that every vegetable production appeared at once in full growth; and this was necessary that man, when he came into being, might find every thing ready for his use.

 

[1000Flames]

I don't know why.

My guess is for anthropic reasons.

I like what Adam Clarke says:

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Interesting. Any reason why he created Adam with the need for sustenance to begin with? Would Adam have died if he didn't eat?

 

[Delphiki]

Yes.

When God spoke this earth into existence, it came into existence 4.57 billion years old.

So did God create the remains and imprints of living things when he made the actual terrain before he made the living things themselves?

Also, what motive would God have to make the universe and the earth older than when they were created - that would mean his own creation is evidence against the accounts in the holy texts written about him -- on purpose nonetheless. This doesn't strike you as odd?

 

[RickG]

Yes.

When God spoke this earth into existence, it came into existence 4.57 billion years old.

When was this done, 6,000 years ago?

 

[AV1611VET]

So did God create the remains and imprints of living things when he made the actual terrain before he made the living things themselves?

No.

Also, what motive would God have to make the universe and the earth older than when they were created -

My guess is to give the universe its 'taste'.

Just like raisin bread that is made in just moments, yet has aged grapes (raisins) imbedded in it for taste, the universe was created in a moment, yet has embedded 'raisins' in it for 'taste.'

This doesn't strike you as odd?

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

When was this done, 6,000 years ago?

I use the BC 4004 date for simplicity.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

My guess is to give the universe its 'taste'.

Just like raisin bread that is made in just moments, yet has aged grapes (raisins) imbedded in it for taste, the universe was created in a moment, yet has embedded 'raisins' in it for 'taste.'

The "taste" in this case being evidence utterly contrary to what you claim happened.

Why would God flavour His creation in such as way as to make it look like He didn't do what it claims He did in the Bible? What sort of a God does that? A deceiver perhaps? What sort of a God plays silly games of hide and seek that, apparently, if you lose you end up in in hell. What sort of God does that? A sadist God perhaps? One who likes to trick people?

You aren't painting your God in a very good light with this embedded age drivel.

 

[Delphiki]

In response to "So did God create the remains and imprints of living things when he made the actual terrain before he made the living things themselves?" you said "no".

So how did the remains of prehistoric life become embedded in the millions of years worth of strata? Did he put the fossils there as he created life to give it more of that "old" effect? Did he teleport remains there when things died back in the day?

My guess is to give the universe its 'taste'.

Without consideration for how the people he loves so much would interpret the evidence he left in the universe so that they wouldn't all be saved?

Just like raisin bread that is made in just moments, yet has aged grapes (raisins) imbedded in it for taste, the universe was created in a moment, yet has embedded 'raisins' in it for 'taste.'

Perhaps a better analogy would be the time it takes for bread to rise. I'm already familiar with your embedded age idea, and I'm pretty sure it's more like throwing the ingredients together and getting a finished loaf of bread without giving the bread time to proof and/or bake.

Otherwise, you answered to my question about fossils and remains incorrectly. Would these not be analogous to the fossils?

Are you about to tell me that the flood put them there? Even the places where they are embedded in meters of solid rock?

 

[AV1611VET]

Without consideration for how the people he loves so much would interpret the evidence he left in the universe so that they wouldn't all be saved?

That's why God gave us the Bible, so we wouldn't make the mistake of relying too heavily on what we see.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That's why God gave us the Bible, so we wouldn't make the mistake of relying too heavily on what we see.

Faith can move mountains. Just have faith

KJV) Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7426625-46/#post53776624
Book of Hebrews verse by verse

 

[Mr Strawberry]

That's why God gave us the Bible, so we wouldn't make the mistake of relying too heavily on what we see.

Oh yeah, right. God makes a universe so massive we don't even know how big it is, sticks us in a tiny corner of it and then realises that what He's created might give us the wrong idea about 'Him' and what He's done because it gives every impression of being 13.7 billion years old, whereas in actual fact He created it during a slow week in 4004 BC. So, in order to correct this Almighty [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] up, he decides to write a book by dictating to some blokes in the middle East a few thousand years later to set the record straight on the misleading ideas that might be gleaned from HIS ENTIRE CREATION. Oh yes, and if you fail to believe this dodgy dossier amending His creation, which unfortunately also reads like a children's story, and prefer to rely on the evidence of your senses instead, you will be sent to hell.

Yeah, good one, AV1611VET. That's a cracker.

 

[Split Rock]

That's why God gave us the Bible, so we wouldn't make the mistake of relying too heavily on what we see.

Instead, he has made it so some of us would make the mistake of relying too heavily on our interpretation of scripture.

 

[1000Flames]

Interesting. Any reason why he created Adam with the need for sustenance to begin with? Would Adam have died if he didn't eat?

Err...did I say something wrong; were these stupid questions?

 

[AV1611VET]

Err...did I say something wrong; were these stupid questions?

What do your questions have to do with embedded age?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Instead, he has made it so some of us would make the mistake of relying too heavily on our interpretation of scripture.

Or worse, the mistake of relying too heavily on the likes of people like AV1611VET.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by RickG When was this done, 6,000 years ago?

I use the BC 4004 date for simplicity.

Out of curiosity, how did you arrive at that particular date? Thanks

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[RickG]

Out of curiosity, how did you arrive at that particular date? Thanks

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He got it from James Ussher's 17th century genealogical chronology of the bible.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Out of curiosity, how did you arrive at that particular date? Thanks

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He just answered -- simplicity.

Trumps accuracy any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.