Taking questions on Embedded Age Creation

[AV1611VET]

I didn't ask about Genesis 1 or even about God -- this is about you and your definition of "mature."

I suspect that your evasion answers the question sufficiently.

Mature = having what it takes to get the job done.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Mature = having what it takes to get the job done.

So... A car that gets the job done is "mature."

If that same car gets totaled, is it no longer "mature"?

 

[AV1611VET]

So... A car that gets the job done is "mature."

If that same car gets totaled, is it no longer "mature"?

You need me to answer that for you?

Call your local dealership and ask him ... I'm not interested in helping you talk yourself out of understanding.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You need me to answer that for you?

I need you to show enough backbone to apply your "definition" to something in the real world.

 

[AV1611VET]

I need you to show enough backbone to apply your "definition" to something in the real world.

Sorry ... I'm spineless when it comes to helping others misunderstand.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Sorry ... I'm spineless when it comes to helping others misunderstand.

So your definition is a dismal failure -- what's to misunderstand? Even you're hiding from it now.

 

[AV1611VET]

So your definition is a dismal failure -- what's to misunderstand? Even you're hiding from it now.

Well, what can I say, eh?

Somes got it, somes don't.

 

[RickG]

And all this has exactly what do do with embedded age?

Stratigraphy. Layer upon layer upon layer embedded with the oldest being on the bottom getting younger toward the top.

Radionuclide decay ---- physics. A specific quantity of unstable nuclide is embedded (precipitates out of a melt or altered by a metamorphic event). As time passes decay occurs at a specific rate which is exclusive to each independent radionuclide, thus change the ratio of the two nuclides from which origin can be determined.

Those are things I gather, from your many posts, that you have not studied academically and are there not familiar with. Therefore, your lack of knowledge and understanding in those areas.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Stratigraphy. Layer upon layer upon layer embedded with the oldest being on the bottom getting younger toward the top.

Radionuclide decay ---- physics. A specific quantity of unstable nuclide is embedded (precipitates out of a melt or altered by a metamorphic event). As time passes decay occurs at a specific rate which is exclusive to each independent radionuclide, thus change the ratio of the two nuclides from which origin can be determined.

Those are things I gather, from your many posts, that you have not studied academically and are there not familiar with. Therefore, your lack of knowledge and understanding in those areas.

But it doesn't matter anymore -- "Embedded Age" is based upon a definition of "maturity" which doesn't work in the real world. Consequently, "Embedded Age" doesn't work in the real world.

Whatever ignorance AV possesses (which he wears like a badge) is no longer relevant, since his own failures debunk "Embedded Age" as a viable method for looking at the real world.

 

[SkyWriting]

First of all, I was asking AV because I want to get AV's view pon what maturity means.

Secondly, maturity does not mean fit for an intended purpose. If a car is totaled, does it become immature?

Thirdly, your pendulum diagram is of no relevance. neither are the Bible quotes.

1. I'm not interfering with AV's response.
2. You asked, I didn't.
3. It's a Christian forum and a topic about a Christian issue so your allergy to scripture will likely be an ongoing problem for you.
My applications will continue.

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

 

[SkyWriting]

But it doesn't matter anymore -- "Embedded Age" is based upon a definition of "maturity" which doesn't work in the real world. Consequently, "Embedded Age" doesn't work in the real world.

Embedded age is a model. Most every passage of scripture that people have termed decided is a direct work of god or a "Creative" act fit the model. So, as a model, it's a perfect one. Modeling is a constructive effort in the real world, especially if events can't be directly confirmed or repeated.

 

[Tiberius]

Maturity = having what it takes to get the job done.

So then, it would seem that in order for us to know whether something is "Mature", we would need to know what its "job" is, wouldn't it?

In any case, it would seem that history isn't required for something to fulfill this definition of maturity. Cars are "mature" as soon as they leave the factory. So why do you need this special concept of "embedded age" to expressly state that it is maturity without history when history isn't required in the first place?

And, as TLK Valentine said, you completely ignored my second question about the car being totaled. However, you seemed to have a bit of a hissy fit about it, claiming that the question isn't valid because there were no totaled cars in Genesis 1. What that has to do with anything, I have no idea. I am simply asking this (and I'll remove all references to cars, totaled or otherwise, because I'm such a nice guy).

If something loses what it needs to get the job done, has that thing become immature?

 

[Tiberius]

1. I'm not interfering with AV's response.
2. You asked, I didn't.
3. It's a Christian forum and a topic about a Christian issue so your allergy to scripture will likely be an ongoing problem for you.
My applications will continue.

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

Yes you are.

I was asking for AV's opinion.

Are you AV? Has he authorised you to act as a representative of himself? Are you able to determine AV's opinion on things asked of him and respond to those questions in his stead? No? Well then, I wasn't asking you, and you can't speak for him.

Now, if I posed it as a general question, I'd be more than happy for you to answer. But when I clearly direct a question to a particular member, it means I'm not interested (at that time) in anyone else's viewpoints.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Embedded age is a model. Most every passage of scripture that people have termed decided is a direct work of god or a "Creative" act fit the model. So, as a model, it's a perfect one. Modeling is a constructive effort in the real world, especially if events can't be directly confirmed or repeated.

But the model doesn't reflect anything in the real world, does it? It works just fine within the confines of a fantasy context, one which is only tangentally related to Scripture and completely fails within the real world, so it's a dismal failure.

 

[Skaloop]

Embedded age is a model. Most every passage of scripture that people have termed decided is a direct work of god or a "Creative" act fit the model. So, as a model, it's a perfect one. Modeling is a constructive effort in the real world, especially if events can't be directly confirmed or repeated.

Wait, how is it a perfect model? There's so much that it doesn't and can't explain, I can hardly see how that makes it perfect.

 

[AV1611VET]

So then, it would seem that in order for us to know whether something is "Mature", we would need to know what its "job" is, wouldn't it?

Does being placed in a special garden and being told to tend it qualify?

Does naming the animals qualify?

Does getting married and told to have children qualify?

I would say Adam & Eve were two very mature individuals ... both created in a moment of time, and neither having a past.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes you are.

I was asking for AV's opinion.

Are you AV? Has he authorised you to act as a representative of himself? Are you able to determine AV's opinion on things asked of him and respond to those questions in his stead? No? Well then, I wasn't asking you, and you can't speak for him.

Now, if I posed it as a general question, I'd be more than happy for you to answer. But when I clearly direct a question to a particular member, it means I'm not interested (at that time) in anyone else's viewpoints.

And as I showed, I gave that definition to you before.

You were just testing me, weren't you?

 

[Skaloop]

Does being placed in a special garden and being told to tend it qualify?

Does naming the animals qualify?

Does getting married and told to have children qualify?

Well, no, because none of those things necessarily require maturity.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, no, because none of those things necessarily require maturity.

Have a good day.

 

[Skaloop]

Have a good day.

I already have, thanks. But I shall continue to do so!

And don't worry, I don't expect you to respond to or counrer my points anyway. Because now you're backed into a corner, and you're gonna run and hide.