Taking questions on Embedded Age Creation

[Loudmouth]

BTW - as we have all seen - evolutionism is clearly a flawed religion.

We have all seen that evolution is a well supported theory accepted because of evidence, not dogma. You continue to ignore that evidence.

Adam could not have existed as a zygote day 1 - nor could any animal.

And the earth had to already be fully formed to support life.

Then how do you explain the 4.55 billion year history found in the Earth that has nothing to do with supporting life?

 

[Loudmouth]

They believe that given enough time gas and rocks will turn into bacteria (prokaryotes).

That is a lie.

They believe by faith alone that given enough time prokaryotes turn into eukaryotes (amoeba for example).

We accept this because of evidence. That is another fib you have told.

They believe by faith alone that given enough time and chance on mount improbable amoebas will turn into horses.

Again, this is not a belief. It is a theory supported by evidence.

No wonder their own atheist scientists - like Collin Patterson lament the distinctly religious nature of the argument for evolutionism.

Twisting the words of Patterson only demonstrate your dishonesty.

No wonder even Dawkins responds with 11 seconds of totally flummoxed silence when asked to demonstrate the salient principle of the evolutionist doctrine in action - in real life.

Here are 29+ evidences of evolution:

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent

If you refuse to deal with this evidence and continue with your normal dishonest quote mines then I can only assume that it is you who is following a flawed religion.

 

[Hammster]

MOD HAT ON

Due to some recent troll activity, this thread has been cleaned up. Some of your posts had to go. Sorry.

Again.

MOD HAT OFF

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by BobRyan BTW - as we have all seen - evolutionism is clearly a flawed religion.

We have all seen that evolution is a well supported theory accepted because of evidence, not dogma. You continue to ignore that evidence.

NKJV) Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

[RickG]

Layers of ice come out as "rings" in core sampling "as it turns out".

Okay, I understand what you mean there, it's just that it is misleading terminology. Nevertheless I have no real problem with that.

And yes they get horribly compressed well before 800,000.

in Christ,

Bob

yes, they do become quite compressed, but that is not a problem in the least, especially considering that ice cores are taken from stable cratons, not moving glaciers. Do you have any idea how annual layers are determined? Just wondering.

 

[Loudmouth]

No. did he need them to be created perfect, sinless, mature, independent and to worship God??

Or are you claiming that you "found Adam" as he was "one day old" and sure enough he had scars and calcification of old bone injuries??

I am claiming that the Earth carries evidence equivalent to those scars and calcifications. The Earth carries evidence of a history of events that are simply not needed for the Earth to function. They are equivalent to scars found on Adam on Day 1.

Or are you arguing out of the void of what you do not have to refute the text?

I don't need to refute claims that have no evidence.

Do ice rings compress such that you can only separate them out down to a few 1000 years?

Try a few hundreds of thousands of years. They are there. So why would God include a history of ice deposition that never occurred?

Did WWII planes get buried in ice with many more ice rings above them - than we have had time pass since WWII??

From everything I have read, those planes were buried by a glacier that was already around. Did God also include a fake history in those glaciers?

Is evolutionism simply a massive matrix of guesswork that collapses when you attempt to verify it??

I am not the one claiming that the evidence for a 4.55 billion year old Earth is just an illusion. That would be you.

 

[Phred]

BTW - as we have all seen - evolutionism is clearly a flawed religion.

But we haven't seen that Bob. What we have seen is the twisting and writhing of literal Bible-believing Christians when it comes to trying to shoehorn their idea of what history must have been like into reality. There is no such thing as "evolutionism". That's just what you guys call science. Makes for a nice way to discuss this amongst yourselves.

Science is not a religion. It's a method. A method for resolving the universe around us. You don't like that I'm gathering because it calls your personal interpretation of the Bible into question. It doesn't have to but you insist upon it. The same way clerics in the 1400s refused to look into Galileo's telescope.

The embedded age of the earth - as noted earlier is a false idea.

Yes, it is. It's a ridiculous, silly idea that can't be proven or disproven.

Adam could not have existed as a zygote day 1 - nor could any animal

Nor did they need to.

And the earth had to already be fully formed to support life.

No... the earth just had to be sufficiently formed to support life as we've found around the volcanic vents at the bottom of the ocean for example. It never had to be fully formed to support life as we know it today.

But this is the role of bible believing Christians when it comes to confronting the false religion of evolutionism.

It makes me sad that what you're doing is taking a great religion and bringing it down by equating it with false teachings, lies and politics.

 

[mzungu]

BTW - as we have all seen - evolutionism is clearly a flawed religion.

Ah another one who believes that playing tidily winks is a religion too!

ToE is just that; A scientific theory that predicts and explains the evidences of biological evolution. You are being dishonest by twisting the facts and are doing your best to provoke!

Perhaps you should sit down before you hurt yourself!

 

[RickG]

Ah another one who believes that playing tidily winks is a religion too!

ToE is just that; A scientific theory that predicts and explains the evidences of biological evolution. You are being dishonest by twisting the facts and are doing your best to provoke!

I agree, some posters have absolutely not intention of discussing any science or trying to learn something about the science topic of any thread.

One would think a person would want to learn why people accept certain scientific phenomena rather than ridiculing it. However, I must also say that some comments toward religion are presented in the same manner and serve no purpose in any discussion.

 

[quatona]

I'll take questions on Embedded Age Creation:

1. Definition = maturity without history
2. Method = creatio ex nihilo
3. Unique features:
   • requires omnipotence
   • laws of science not in effect
   • occurred BC4004 (according to Ussher's dating)
     
   • no evidence left behind
   • no scarring
     
   • completed in 6 days (on purpose)
4. Described in detail in Genesis 1
5. Witnessed by the angels

No questions, just FYI:

God spoke to me personally and told me that you have it wrong.
Method:
divine communication,
Unique features:
Laws of science momentarily suspended, witnessed by the angels and the rest of the supernatural stuff, but no evidence left behind, of course.

 

[mzungu]

One would think a person would want to learn why people accept certain scientific phenomena rather than ridiculing it. However, I must also say that some comments toward religion are presented in the same manner and serve no purpose in any discussion.

I totally agree with you; Religion belongs to the spiritual world and Science to the physical world.

The problem arises when spirituality is forced upon the physical (teaching creationism instead of ToE in biology class). Imagine if ToE was forced upon parishioners in Church instead of teaching the Bible! There is absolutely no reason why each cannot coexist so long as each does not impose upon the other.

The same also applies when religion is being forced into politics. There is nothing more dangerous than people in power using God's name to meet their political aspirations. So much evil has been perpetrated "In God's name" by people who I seriously doubt if they even believe in their respective religions.

Most Christians world wide have absolutely no problems with science and they see the Bible as a spiritual guide and not as a science textbook.

 

[BobRyan]

BTW - as we have all seen - evolutionism is clearly a flawed religion.

The embedded age of the earth - as noted earlier is a false idea.

Adam could not have existed as a zygote day 1 - nor could any animal.

And the earth had to already be fully formed to support life.

Again - stating the obvious.

But this is the role of bible believing Christians when it comes to confronting the false religion of evolutionism.

Then how do you explain the 4.55 billion year history found in the Earth that has nothing to do with supporting life?

Hint - the geologic column does not exist anywhere in the earth beyond a 1 mile layer. It is supposed to be an average depth 100 miles of "4 billion years of history" and yet we have an average of only 1 mile.

We need evolutionists with more facts and less fiction.

No wonder Patterson claimed he was duped by evolutionists.

No wonder the Bible does not support it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Loudmouth]

BTW - as we have all seen - evolutionism is clearly a flawed religion.

We have seen no such thing.

The embedded age of the earth - as noted earlier is a false idea.

Adam could not have existed as a zygote day 1 - nor could any animal.

And the earth had to already be fully formed to support life.

Again - stating the obvious.

I am also stating the obvious that maturity does not require a history of events. We observe a history of events in the evidence, a 4.55 billion year history in the case of the Earth.

Hint - the geologic column does not exist anywhere in the earth beyond a 1 mile layer. It is supposed to be an average depth 100 miles of "4 billion years of history" and yet we have an average of only 1 mile.

You have made all of this up in order to avoid the evidence.

We need evolutionists with more facts and less fiction.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent

 

[RickG]

BTW - as we have all seen - evolutionism is clearly a flawed religion.

Evolution has nothing to do with this topic. Please, let's focus on the this threads topic.

The embedded age of the earth - as noted earlier is a false idea.

I agree completely.

[quoe]Adam could not have existed as a zygote day 1 - nor could any animal.[/quote]

Off topic.

And the earth had to already be fully formed to support life.

Most of Earth's history contains very little life.

But this is the role of bible believing Christians when it comes to confronting the false religion of evolutionism.

Again GB, please stay on topic.

Hint - the geologic column does not exist anywhere in the earth beyond a 1 mile layer.

You mean not exposed beyond 1 mile. There two things you need to consider. (1) You are ignoring boreholes and what they reveal and (2) the geosciences do not say the geologic column exists or should exist intact everywhere on earth. You are ignoring all the geologic and tectonic process that are constantly changing the earth.

It is supposed to be an average depth 100 miles of "4 billion years of history" and yet we have an average of only 1 mile.

Where did you get that rubbish from? It sure wasn't from any of the scientific literature.

We need evolutionists with more facts and less fiction.

No wonder Patterson claimed he was duped by evolutionists.

No wonder the Bible does not support it.

in Christ,

Bob

Would you please have the decency and respect for others to "please stay on topic"? This is not an evolution thread.

 

[mzungu]

BTW - as we have all seen - evolutionism is clearly a flawed religion.

The embedded age of the earth - as noted earlier is a false idea.

Adam could not have existed as a zygote day 1 - nor could any animal.

And the earth had to already be fully formed to support life.

Again - stating the obvious.

But this is the role of bible believing Christians when it comes to confronting the false religion of evolutionism.

in Christ,

Bob

Thank you for pressing the button! Oh dear now you will do it again and I may as well bid you all good bye as I shall be banished from CF! Keep well everyone!

 

[DaneaFL]

This is nothing new...

Omphalos hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All unsubstantiated guesses based purely on mental masturbation.

 

[SkyWriting]

This shows just how concocted creationism is, it's absurd speculation wrapped up in AV1611VET's ego.

It has nothing to do with his ego. In fact, he can't alter the properties as they were written long before he existed.

The case is as the scriptures state. They are not reproducible so are outside of scientific inquiry.

 

[SkyWriting]

So, this is something that man invented in his attempts to try to explain God.

That's all you had to say.

You have no apparent grasp of English.

 

[jpcedotal]

Ya'l made that fruit fly turn into anything other than a fruit fly yet?

How many generations has it been now? More than even the oldest carbon dated rock would allow, I bet.

Evolution just does not happen...if u can't produce results in a control enviroment, then is isn't science...only a worldview.

 

[SkyWriting]

BTW - as we have all seen - evolutionism is clearly a flawed religion.

No point in you speaking for anyone other than yourself. Unless you've been elected to do so of course.

The embedded age of the earth - as noted earlier is a false idea.

The past is not within scientific inquiry.

Adam could not have existed as a zygote day 1 - nor could any animal.

As the story is written, odds are low.

And the earth had to already be fully formed to support life.

Hot lava makes a poor soil for plants.

But this is the role of bible believing Christians when it comes to confronting the false religion of evolutionism.

Not sure. If you mean the Creation story does not scientifically trump mans version without God, then true.

Hint - the geologic column does not exist anywhere in the earth beyond a 1 mile layer. It is supposed to be an average depth 100 miles of "4 billion years of history" and yet we have an average of only 1 mile.

Parts of it exist everywhere. Not counting the tons of space dust daily, all the earth layers must come from existing layers somewhere else.

We need evolutionists with more facts and less fiction.

All stories are fiction.

No wonder the Bible does not support it.

The bible requires adaptation of species to their environments.
It is clear that origins of life are God's workings and not natural.

in Christ, Bob

These are Bob's opinions. We concur.