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Precisely. Christianity's supposed True Christians[sup]TM[/sup] are its greatest nemesis.
Funny how that is.
I'm not an 'ancient Hebrew', Mike --- I'm a 21st Century man.
And irregardless of what the ancient Hebrews thought about the universe, God made His amanuenses write it correctly, or He wouldn't have preserved it.
The historical evidence .... shows that the raqiac was originally conceived of as being solid and not a merely atmospheric expanse. The grammatical evidence from the OT ... reflects and confirms this conception of solidity. The basic historical fact that defines the meaning of raqiac in Genesis 1 is simply this: all peoples in the ancient world thought of the sky as solid. This concept did not begin with the Greeks.
They didn't have to agree with it, they just had to write it.
I don't --- Adam did.
In fact, he's the only man on earth who did.
What fossils?
Show me fossils in Genesis 1.
See how your Telephone Post makes you sound so innocent, Mike? And makes us look bad?AV: we're still waiting for you to explain why you would escort Gosse from your church for explaining his Omphalos hypothesis.
If Gosse came to our church and started spreading that Omphalos stuff, and refused to stop, he'd find himself escorted out.
Good --- I stopped reading right here.That doesn't matter.
Good --- I stopped reading right here.
If you can't show me fossils in Genesis 1, don't show me fossils at all.
Why not? The fossils are there now, even if they weren't there in Genesis one. When did they arrive, how did they arrive, and why do we find them in the order that we do?
Mike Elphick said:AV: we're still waiting for you to explain why you would escort Gosse from your church for explaining his Omphalos hypothesis.
See how your Telephone Post makes you sound so innocent, Mike? And makes us look bad?
I've recently noticed than in you guys' zeal to make us look bad, you "telephone" the Bible and our posts.
Such Telephone Words (and yes, I'm capitalizing) as "poof" and "magic" and "murder" do not escape my notice.
Here's what I said, that you telephoned:
If Gosse came to our church and started spreading that Omphalos stuff, and refused to stop, he'd find himself escorted out.
It's a post where someone says something, then someone else repeats what you said, but in different terminology.What the heck is a Telephone Post?
I said 'you guys' --- (you know who you are).And where, AV, have I EVER used the words "poof" and "murder"? I have NOT!!!! Please take that back (or I'll get an administrator to do it for you).
Where, old man, did I say I would request him to stop?No, young man, I'm asking you why you would have requested him to stop in the first place. Please answer this simple question (for the fourth time of asking).
I know that this is something extremely difficult for you to do: understand what other people say, but perhaps, if you tried really really hard, and get your pastor to help you... then, just maybe, you would understand that all the Mike has been trying to do here was to get you to UNDERSTAND the omphalos hypothesis... not ACCEPT it.People have come into our church, even joined it, and started in with what they think we need.
We need Promise Keepers, we need the Emmaus Walk, we need to stop preaching "once saved, always saved", we need this seminar, we need that conference, we need this weight-loss program, you need to start wearing this, you need to stop wearing that, etc.
And even though they mean well, after a while of this, they need to be escorted out.
Good --- I stopped reading right here.
If you can't show me fossils in Genesis 1, please don't show me fossils at all and think I'll be interested enough to reply.
Mike Elphick said:No, young man, I'm asking you why you would have requested him to stop in the first place. Please answer this simple question (for the fourth time of asking).
Where, old man, did I say I would request him to stop?
Deception.
Omphalos means "navel" --- as in Adam had a navel --- as in they show signs of being born --- as in the appearance of history --- as in deception.
Gosse can take a hike and take his belly-button with him.
If Gosse came to our church and started spreading that Omphalos stuff, and refused to stop, he'd find himself escorted out.
And I would hold the door open.
This thread is for taking questions on Embedded Age Creation.I know that this is something extremely difficult for you to do: understand what other people say, but perhaps, if you tried really really hard, and get your pastor to help you... then, just maybe, you would understand that all the Mike has been trying to do here was to get you to UNDERSTAND the omphalos hypothesis... not ACCEPT it.
Simply continue to ignore them.Are you going to answer any of these or simply continue to ignore them?
This thread is for taking questions on Embedded Age Creation.
Because God's House is not the place for someone to come in and starting harping on alternate cosmologies.Why would you or someone else in your congregation request (a hypothetical) Gosse to stop talking about his Omphalos hypothesis. Why would he be escorted from your church and why would you hold the door open for him?
I've said all I'm going to say about Omphalos in this thread.In other words, what do you find so objectionable about Gosse and his Omphalos hypothesis?
This thread is for taking questions on Embedded Age Creation.
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