Taking questions on Embedded Age Creation

[AV1611VET]

Doesn't change the fact that it's much easier to do these things with hindsight and doesn't make the conclusions drawn any more or less accurate - less impressive, for sure.

You guys like to talk about Intelligent Design --- the Bible is the definitive example.

Just because you guys don't see Easter Eggs in the Bible, doesn't mean we don't.

You need the right Code to unlock them ---

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Cabal]

You guys like to talk about Intelligent Design --- the Bible is the definitive example.

Please don't disrespect the Bible by comparing it to Intelligent Design, kthx.

Just because you guys don't see Easter Eggs in the Bible, doesn't mean we don't.

You need the right Code to unlock them ---

Still funny how you only ever get this code after the science supposedly described in the Bible has already been predicted, discovered, quantified and published by the actual scientists, isn't it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Still funny how you only ever get this code after the science supposedly described in the Bible has already been predicted, discovered, quantified and published by the actual scientists, isn't it?

Now you know why scientists are gifts from God.

 

[Cabal]

Now you know why scientists are gifts from God.

What, so you can accuse us of doing what you do (retrofitting, not that we actually do) when you happen to disagree with something on the basis of your personal interpretations; among other double standards?

If this is what being a gift from God involves, I'd hate to see how you treat something that isn't.

 

[AV1611VET]

kthx

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[thaumaturgy]

Still funny how you only ever get this code after the science supposedly described in the Bible has already been predicted, discovered, quantified and published by the actual scientists, isn't it?

Well, that's the power of the Bible as "Truth" (c). It is so true that it only appears true after some other way of discovering truth discovers it and then the Bible can shine!

It's so much fun to see folks like AV use science to explain strange turns of phrase in the bible and then viola the Bible was the one who spoke the science first!

Too bad the Bible isn't capable of being used to actually do science.

I would dearly love it if the Bible were to have in it something that no one believed but science ultimately had to accept. And it was clearly stated and didn't require any fancy exegesis to understand it before the fact.

That would be a truly wonderful thing. Even the kind of God who "embeds" age and destroys concepts like "history" for appearance sake, would agree that that would be "good".

Unfortunately Biblical Exegetes like AV treat the Bible in such a way that it becomes no better than a "horoscope" or Nostradamus stuff. In those cases people take strangely worded, opaquely phrased items and read into them whatever they want to.

Unfortunately in the end it ruins any sort of concept of "Ultimate Truth".

God, if he existed, would surely value clarity and openess and honesty above all else. Nothing would be shrouded in mist and obfuscation.

But maybe I expect too much from an all-knowing, all-loving, all-just omnipotent omnibenevolent being.

I'm just not made for a second rate huckster being in charge of the universe. I'm made wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

God, if he existed, would surely value clarity and openess and honesty above all else.

It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

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[Cabal]

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[Cabal]

. Proverbs 25:2

I notice the rest of that chapter is about respecting kings, so if the king does something unpopular or misunderstood , maybe one should zip it and listen rather than stirring up sedition....

 

[thaumaturgy]

Proverbs 25:2.

Well, then I guess God can conceal things? I guess God can hide truth as it suits him? Is that what is being said?

Can I hide truth? What if it meant that if you failed to find the truth I hid, or you failed to adequately believe what someone told you I said was truth, that I could send you to eternal torment?

Sorry, but I think Solomon missed the mark on that one if the intention was to allow God to hide truth. But then I didn't really need another reason to not believe in God.

Personally I find the concept of God as a "concealer" to be offensive on so many levels it boggles the mind. I can't imagine believing in such a being, but worse I can't imagine worshipping such a being!

But that's just me.

 

[BananaSlug]

This post tells why I accept some things and reject others: 158.

So basically your method for accepting or rejecting certain findings of science are totally arbitrary.

So how is C14 dating a bone to 12,000 years actually different from K-Ar dating a rock when scientists are using the same concept for both methods?

Why would a bone have 12,000 years of age in the first place? Did God put it there? If not, who did?

How does a fossil get into a rock that is 250 million years old?

How does a limestone layer get wedged between a 10 million year old layer of rock and a 5 million year old layer of rock? Based on your idea, God embedded the age into those two layers during creation. But how exactly did that limestone get in there? Limestone is made of the shells of millions of dead organisms and often has the bones of other aquatic animals. How exactly did it get between two layers of solid, embedded-age rock?

 

[Freodin]

So basically your method for accepting or rejecting certain findings of science are totally arbitrary.

So how is C14 dating a bone to 12,000 years actually different from K-Ar dating a rock when scientists are using the same concept for both methods?

Why would a bone have 12,000 years of age in the first place? Did God put it there? If not, who did?

How does a fossil get into a rock that is 250 million years old?

How does a limestone layer get wedged between a 10 million year old layer of rock and a 5 million year old layer of rock? Based on your idea, God embedded the age into those two layers during creation. But how exactly did that limestone get in there? Limestone is made of the shells of millions of dead organisms and often has the bones of other aquatic animals. How exactly did it get between two layers of solid, embedded-age rock?

He does not know how these things are dated and he does not care, even if he´d know.

He does not care, as most creationists don´t care about science.

"Science" is just a term for them, to demonize or praise as it supports their position. They want to revel in the glory of scientific research without giving a fig for what it really does.

If I was to treat Christianity as AV and consorts treat science, I would have been banned from this board long ago.

 

[BananaSlug]

He does not know how these things are dated and he does not care, even if he´d know.

He does not care, as most creationists don´t care about science.

"Science" is just a term for them, to demonize or praise as it supports their position. They want to revel in the glory of scientific research without giving a fig for what it really does.

If I was to treat Christianity as AV and consorts treat science, I would have been banned from this board long ago.

It's funny because while he claims we do not really understand "embedded age", I think he really doesn't understand. Of course, one of the worse things in the world is willful ignorance. If he really wants his idea to have credit, it will need to be able to explain every observation that science makes. You cannot just ignore evidence that contradicts what you want to believe. Doing so is not melding science with scripture, it is a perversion.

If AV really knows what he is talking about, if God really is giving him the answers, then he should have no problem explaining the questions I posited a few posts ago. If he can't, well...

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, then I guess God can conceal things? I guess God can hide truth as it suits him? Is that what is being said?

Can I hide truth? What if it meant that if you failed to find the truth I hid, or you failed to adequately believe what someone told you I said was truth, that I could send you to eternal torment?

Sorry, but I think Solomon missed the mark on that one if the intention was to allow God to hide truth. But then I didn't really need another reason to not believe in God.

Personally I find the concept of God as a "concealer" to be offensive on so many levels it boggles the mind. I can't imagine believing in such a being, but worse I can't imagine worshipping such a being!

But that's just me.

Yet, I'll bet you think Easter Eggs in video games are neat, don't you?

God can't put Easter Eggs in His Word, or in His creation, to keep our daily routines from being ... well ... routine?

 

[AV1611VET]

So basically your method for accepting or rejecting certain findings of science are totally arbitrary.

Or Boolean --- my boundaries are well-documented --- and extremely simple.

All summed up in a simple little term I call the Prime Directive.

 

[BananaSlug]

Or Boolean --- my boundaries are well-documented --- and extremely simple.

All summed up in a simple little term I call the Prime Directive.

Then how about answering the following questions since you are so sure of yourself (considering the fact you totally ignored them):

So how is C14 dating a bone to 12,000 years actually different from K-Ar dating a rock when scientists are using the same concept for both methods?

Why would a bone have 12,000 years of age in the first place? Did God put it there? If not, who did?

How does a fossil get into a rock that is 250 million years old?

How does a limestone layer get wedged between a 10 million year old layer of rock and a 5 million year old layer of rock? Based on your idea, God embedded the age into those two layers during creation. But how exactly did that limestone get in there? Limestone is made of the shells of millions of dead organisms and often has the bones of other aquatic animals. How exactly did it get between two layers of solid, embedded-age rock?

 

[AV1611VET]

If I was to treat Christianity as AV and consorts treat science, I would have been banned from this board long ago.

You mean like, calling Christianity a gift from God?

God beat you to it.

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

 

[AV1611VET]

Then how about answering the following questions since you are so sure of yourself (considering the fact you totally ignored them):

So how is C14 dating a bone to 12,000 years actually different from K-Ar dating a rock when scientists are using the same concept for both methods?

Why would a bone have 12,000 years of age in the first place? Did God put it there? If not, who did?

How does a fossil get into a rock that is 250 million years old?

How does a limestone layer get wedged between a 10 million year old layer of rock and a 5 million year old layer of rock? Based on your idea, God embedded the age into those two layers during creation. But how exactly did that limestone get in there? Limestone is made of the shells of millions of dead organisms and often has the bones of other aquatic animals. How exactly did it get between two layers of solid, embedded-age rock?

I'm not a historian --- and Embedded Age is maturity without history.

 

[BananaSlug]

Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. " [SIZE=-1](1 Peter 2:18)[/SIZE]

 

[Cabal]

I'm not a historian --- and Embedded Age is maturity without history.

Thoroughly unimpressive dodge.

So why is there a coherent history present throughout all of creation? Why give the impression there is history there when it all fits together so well, why not random ages?