If you were to read my profile for the first time, and see YEC as my Origin of Life, wouldn't you think that I think the universe is only 6000 years old?
Yes, and thats what you do think. Whatever you believe about the earth it is not age. That already has a definition and you cant change it just because you dont like it.
And you were the one that came up with BEC, not me
Of course I did, so as not to confuse people who read my profile where I stand.
Didnt you read my post?! Im telling you that BEC doesnt tell anyone anything about what you believe. Thats my whole point. Imagine someone looking at your profile and see BEC, and he will ask you what that means and you will say "Biblical Earth Creationist", and he will say well dont YECS and OECs also believe they follow a Biblical view? And you will say, "well you see, I believe in Genesis". And you think will make sure people understand what you believe?!
Y stands for 'young', and I'm not going there.
Yes, "Young", as in, the earth was created 6,000 years ago and therefore only 6,000 years old. It doesnt matter if the earth itself is made of matter composed of properties that are as if they had existed for billions of years because God wanted it that way, or whatever. Age is defined with the passage of time, and if there is no time there is no age.
And YEC means nothing to me, nor does OEC. I'm not going to go around giving people the wrong impression of what I believe.
Except YEC and OEC tells people something about that persons beliefs. BEC pretty much tells someone nothing.
The very source you quoted to me (Wikipedia) also said that YEC's do not believe in a 4.5 billion year universe. .
I know, they dont believe in a 4.5 billion year old earth.
And neither do you. As I said before, a "year" is defined as a period of time. To say something is billions of years old is is to be talking about a set amount of time that thing has existed for. If the earth has only existed for 6,000 years, it simply cannot by definition be billions of years old. I have to keep repeating myself, but once again, whatever you are talking about it isnt age.
Once again, I am not going to associate myself with a major belief system that thinks this universe was created with zero age - let alone claim that today it's only 6000 years old.
What makes you a YEC is that you believe the universe was created 6-10 thousand years ago. Anything else you believe is just specifics.
OEC makes Jupiter 6000 years old, Earth 6000 years old, Andromeda 6000 years old, Alpha Centauri 6000 years old, etc.
You mean YEC, and so do you. You just say there is age "embedded" so that the properties that make up the universe are as if they had existed for billions of years, or something. Problem is, as I have said over and over, you are NOT talking about age because, as your own definition you provided, age is defined as the passage of time. If the universe has only existed for 6,000 years, as you said, then the earth and everything in it can only be 6,000 years old by definition.
No --- you need to read a little further apparently.
(emphasis mine)
I'm getting tired of posting this.
This is what you posted:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
The defining characteristic of this belief is that the Earth is "young", on the order of 6,000 to 10,000 years old, rather than the age of 4.5 billion years estimated by a variety of scientific methods including radiometric dating
The introduction to the article has already established that what makes you a YEC is the belief that "
the Earth and life on Earth were created by a direct action of God relatively recently (about 6,000 to 10,000 years ago). ". And it had already established that it is a view "
generally" held by Christians and Jews that believe in a literal Genesis who believe that the evidence points to an earth that is young. Generally. So that doesnt stop you from being a YEC.
So the section you quoted is saying that the defining characteristic of YEC is that the earth is young, "
on the order of 6,000 to 10,000 years old". And as we have established, by definition you also believe the earth is 6,000 years old. "
Generally" YECs believe science shows the earth as about 6,000 years old, and looks its age. You just happen to believe the earth
doesnt look its age and that the earths is made of material that has all the properties of material created billions of years ago, and so dont have a problem with dating.
I'll give the fact that you arent a typical YEC. Certianly not. If you were to have a chart where you had OEC on one side and YEC on the other you'd be near the middle on the YEC side. But you are still a YEC, because you believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago. And by definition not an OEC, as one of the things that definies them as a group is they believe the universe really was created billions of years ago. Therefore that stops you from being an OEC.
Yes --- the passage of time --- but Creation Week was an exception (see below).
lol. What?
I'd just like to point out that in the last post you scoffed at the suggestion that you were trying to redefine "age". You said you werent, and provided your definiton of age.
So when I point out that, in your own definition, age still meant the passage of time, you come back saying
that it doesnt apply to the Creation Week?!
Whats the matter with you? This is exactly what what we've been talking about! Of course you are using a different definition of age, and you are doing it again right here. You are using your own personal definition of age where you dont need to have any passage of time. Where something can have been created - out of nothing - a second a go and already be a billion years old.
Like I keep telling you, whatever you are talking about its not age.
I'm well-familiar with what others say. They are defining the aging process as it occurs today (as do I when I define age), but on Creation Week, age didn't come by a passage of time --- it too was ex nihilo.
Do you realize that some don't believe time even existed until Day Four?
See above. Age cannot be created out of nothing.
Age is the passage of time. If there was no time, there is no age.
