Taking questions on Embedded Age Creation

[AV1611VET]

Would it be possible for you to show some science that AGREES with the Bible?

An expanding universe.

 

[AV1611VET]

so then your just left with a deceptive god.

If he's a deceptive god, he's yours, not mine.

 

[AV1611VET]

I ask you again, fourth time now:

HOW DO YOU DATE SUCH A FOSSIL???

I don't date fossils --- that's not my calling. I just agree with you guys, when you date them.

 

[hangback]

Would it be possible for you to show some science that AGREES with the Bible?

An expanding universe.

And the verse that says 'expanding universe' please.

 

[AV1611VET]

An independent thinker, of course, but wilfully ignorant, by your own admission.

I was born ignorant, and I'll die ignorant.

 

[AV1611VET]

And the verse that says 'expanding universe' please.

Chuck Missler identifies 14 of them.

Here are a couple:

Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

 

[Mike Elphick]

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If Gosse came to our church and started spreading that Omphalos stuff, and refused to stop, he'd find himself escorted out.

And I would hold the door open.

Can you please answer my simple question and tell us why you would do such a thing?

 

[hangback]

And the verse that says 'expanding universe' please.

Chuck Missler identifies 14 of them.

Here are a couple:

Originally Posted by Psalm 104:2
Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

Originally Posted by Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Just as I thought, you are making Bible verses say exactly what you want them to say, so for you the Bible is a scientific text book, a history book, a childrens book of fairy tales, in fact it's a book about everything depending on how you want to read it.
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[Freodin]

I don't date fossils --- that's not my calling. I just agree with you guys, when you date them.

That was, if you ever read the previous instances of that question, a general "you".

But evading and ignoring and twisting words and questions - that seems to be your "calling".

Keep staying proud in your ignorance. I won´t ask another time.

 

[AV1611VET]

I was born ignorant, and I'll die ignorant.

Fixed it for you.

I was born ignorant, and I'll die [wilfully]ignorant.

Mike, please remove my name from your post, or I'll ask administration to do it for you.

Thank you.

 

[Mike Elphick]

Mike, please remove my name from your post, or I'll ask administration to do it for you.

Thank you.

Sorry, AV, it's too late and I can't edit my post. No insult intended — I'm just puzzled by what you find objectionable about Omphalos, since you appear to wilfully ignore all my posts about the real nature of Gosse and his Omphalos hypothesis.

Humble apologies.

Mike

 

[Mike Elphick]

And the verse that says 'expanding universe' please.

Chuck Missler identifies 14 of them.

Here are a couple:

Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

You guys just see what you want to see. You need some scholarship to understand what is meant by spreading out.

The ancient Hebrews admired the night sky (an uncommon site for us city dwellers these days) so much, they imagined God had beaten it out from a sheet of silver or other metal:-

The entry in the BDB lexicon specifically states that the meaning of raquiya is an "extended surface" and a "(solid) expanse (as if beaten out)." That makes it quite clear that we have correctly derived the meaning of the word and that it does mean a solid material that has been breaten out or spread out into an "expanse" to form the heaven above the biblical earth. The second definition in the entry further confirms our understanding that the biblical firmament is a solid structure in the form of a vault&#8212;like an upsidedown howl&#8212;that supports. or holds back, the waters above it.

KB confirms that interpretation and defines raqyia' as follows: "the beaten metal plate, or bow; firmament, the firm vault of heaven...." This lexicon also equates the firmament with the Latin firmamentum and with the Greek stereoma. An etymological dictionary of the Hebrew language provides the fallowing definition of raqiya' :"1 extended surface, expanse. 2 firmament. sky. [From raqa' ; lit. 'something beaten out]'

These references thus confirm that raqiya' has the literal meaning of something "beaten out"such as a piece of metal that has been beaten out into a sheet or plate. If one continues hammering a metal plate on one side repeatedly, the plate will gradually turn into a bowl. That, in fact. was how metalworkers in some early cultures made metal bowls and is how some metalworkers still make them.
From here, p 84

 

[AV1611VET]

The ancient Hebrews admired the night sky (an uncommon site for us city dwellers these days) so much, they imagined God had beaten it out from a sheet of silver or other metal:-

I'm not an 'ancient Hebrew', Mike --- I'm a 21st Century man.

And irregardless of what the ancient Hebrews thought about the universe, God made His amanuenses write it correctly, or He wouldn't have preserved it.

They didn't have to agree with it, they just had to write it.

 

[Freodin]

God does not mean what the original authors wrote - God means what AV thinks it means.

 

[theFijian]

God does not mean what the original authors wrote - God means what AV thinks it means.

Aye, in AV's world ... KJV translators > Moses.

 

[BananaSlug]

If you found a fossil and dated it as 10,000 years old, I won't dispute it.

Okay.

What I will dispute, is saying the plant or animal or man that belonged to that fossil lived 10,000 years ago.

Then why don't you dispute our way of finding out the ages or rock? We are using the same process, just different elements. What about if the age of the fossil, using C14, matches the age of the rock using a different isotope?? Why would a fossil date to 12,000 years in the first place? Did God somehow "embed" age into it as well?

This is where I would leave the realm of science and switch over to the realm of faith, as I would have to violate the Prime Directive by agreeing with what a machine is telling me.

But you have no problem with the same methods telling you how old a rock is.

And I won't do that --- no how, no way, no thanks.

Then why accept any sort of radiometric dating? Why not just say the Earth is only 6100 years old and all dating is wrong?

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why accept any sort of radiometric dating?

This post tells why I accept some things and reject others: 158.

 

[Cabal]

I'm not an 'ancient Hebrew', Mike --- I'm a 21st Century man.

And thus able to retrofit things in the Bible to quite a few more things than people from other centuries!

 

[AV1611VET]

And thus able to retrofit things in the Bible to quite a few more things than people from other centuries!

I like what C.I. Scofield said in his introduction to the book of Revelation:

Doubtless much which is designedly obscure to us will be clear to those for whom it was written as the time approaches.

Until the advent of television, no one could figure out how the Antichrist would be seen all over the world at once.

 

[Cabal]

I like what C.I. Scofield said in his introduction to the book of Revelation:Until the advent of television, no one could figure out how the Antichrist would be seen all over the world at once.

Doesn't change the fact that it's much easier to do these things with hindsight and doesn't make the conclusions drawn any more or less accurate - less impressive, for sure.