Taking Questions on Creationism

AV1611VET said:

Christians have no business in engaging in preventative maintenance, preventative medicine, or preventative anything, do they?

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Sure, but if the doctors are making the difference, then they should be the ones getting the credit.

AV1611VET said:

My ophthalmologist is a YEC with a successful practice.

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And my president is a buffoon with a successful country.

Aman777 said:

The above verse AGREES with Science that "every living creature" came forth from Water.

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Yes, on day 5.
21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”
23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

If you want to say that these living things evolved over the period of one day, I would agree.

AV1611VET said:

And you're a Humanist.

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...with a successful life.

doubtingmerle said:

And my president is a buffoon with a successful country.

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Why is your mind so clouded with hate that you can't generate original rational thought and only repeat the lies told to you by dishonest media?

I disagreed with everything Obama said, but I never showed ignorance by pretending he was a moron.
Love him or hate him, Trump is very intelligent and one of America's most successful businessmen. He is succeeding by de-regulating American industry and letting the wealth producing machine do its thing. Hate the rich all you want, but I've never worked for a poor man.

Unemployment among minorities is nearing an all time low. Who is better for them; politicians who give them someone to hate or businessmen who provide jobs and a means out of the cycle of poverty?

KWCrazy said:

Yes, on day 5.
21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.”
23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

If you want to say that these living things evolved over the period of one day, I would agree.

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There is no such thing as evolution since it should be called Godless Evolution because it is nothing more than descent with modifications within His and Their kinds, in a population over time. Godless people dreamed up the false ToE in order to eliminate God from His Own Creation. They also forgot about the flood which totally destroyed Adam's world. Their false ideas are based on willing ignorance. ll Peter 3:3-7

AV1611VET said:

ha ha haAre you comparing a living being to a cell phone? Remember the watchmaker thread?

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Well, aren't you guys the ones who claim that life forms and cell phones (and watches) are all things that have been designed by some intelligent entity? Seems a little odd that you'd start complaining that I'm comparing them now.

But to answer your question: YES.

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So the phone becomes mature...

No.

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... but didn't start as immature.

Funny...

If my phone becomes mature, but didn't start out as immature, then what did it start out as?

KWCrazy said:

Why is your mind so clouded with hate that you can't generate original rational thought and only repeat the lies told to you by dishonest media?

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-_- I conclude Trump is an arrogant buffoon by his Twitter posts alone. What competent leader would respond to a nuclear threat from another country by stating "my nuke button is bigger and actually works" on social media? I couldn't defend this guy if I tried my hardest to do so, not because of bias, but because of how obvious of a bad job he's doing. It'd be like holding up a black piece of paper and arguing that it was white; it simply isn't.

KWCrazy said:

I disagreed with everything Obama said, but I never showed ignorance by pretending he was a moron.
Love him or hate him, Trump is very intelligent and one of America's most successful businessmen. He is succeeding by de-regulating American industry and letting the wealth producing machine do its thing. Hate the rich all you want, but I've never worked for a poor man.

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I don't hate the rich, but I can tell when a tax plan hurts the 99%. For example, the tax bill made it so that the teaching assistants at my college are in huge trouble. Their "pay" was always free tuition, and now it becomes taxable income they can't possibly afford to pay taxes on, because they never see any of that as actual money in their bank accounts.

Even if Trump was the most brilliant businessman that ever lived and ever will live, that wouldn't make him a good fit as a president of a country. A competent Republican president would have been able to entirely reshape healthcare, etc, by now, since there is a Republican majority in congress. Trump didn't even have a list prepared of people he wanted for his cabinet when he won, and now his cabinet is a rotating door.

KWCrazy said:

Unemployment among minorities is nearing an all time low. Who is better for them; politicians who give them someone to hate or businessmen who provide jobs and a means out of the cycle of poverty?

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How is it a means out of the cycle of poverty if all those jobs they are getting are minimum wage, which hasn't been a livable wage for decades? Plus, what of the fact that while most positions haven't had wages change all that much when inflation is taken into account, the position of CEO in general has had extreme pay increases? In order for the general population to experience the benefits of a booming economy, shouldn't there be a limit on how much more a CEO can make than their lowest paid worker? That way, when a business is doing well and isn't entirely reinvesting profits, all employees would benefit from the success that they contributed to.

And what about getting rid of common ways the wealthy dodge taxes, such as taking advantage of the fact that art appraisals are arbitrary to pay, say, $10,000 for a painting that they later have appraised at $100,000 and donate it to make it a tax write off? Heck, Donald Trump himself does something similar in real estate; since he can both buy real estate and state what value property has, he can simply say that the value of the property has dropped and mark the loss on his income to give the impression that he hasn't made any money. Even if you want to argue that he hasn't done that, plenty of wealthy people do take advantage of it, and these loopholes remove a significant portion of funding that should be going to schools, roads, etc. When the top 1% collectively makes more than the bottom 50%, that makes the actions of a relatively small number of people have a huge impact on a country's ability to maintain itself.

HereIStand said:

Creation seems so clear in Genesis. Why do people invent non-literal theories? Peer pressure maybe?

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Because the literal account has been soundly disproven by all the conflicting evidence. So, people try to adapt the theory to match reality.

Aman777 said:

There is no such thing as evolution since it should be called Godless Evolution because it is nothing more than descent with modifications within His and Their kinds, in a population over time. Godless people dreamed up the false ToE in order to eliminate God from His Own Creation. They also forgot about the flood which totally destroyed Adam's world. Their false ideas are based on willing ignorance. ll Peter 3:3-7

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You can't have willing ignorance until you have some evidence to ignore. Hence, there can be no willing ignorance of God.

AnotherAtheist said:

Because the literal account has been soundly disproven by all the conflicting evidence. So, people try to adapt the theory to match reality.

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It doesn't even match the underlying Hebrew of the text all that well.

AnotherAtheist said:

Because the literal account has been soundly disproven by all the conflicting evidence. So, people try to adapt the theory to match reality.

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Creation isn't a theory, otherwise we can't be sure of our existence.

AnotherAtheist said:

You can't have willing ignorance until you have some evidence to ignore. Hence, there can be no willing ignorance of God.

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False. One is "willingly ignorant" of a certainty happening ONLY if he is told of the impending disaster first. That means that someone is going to have to tell him...and then he has the choice to believe them or NOT. He no longer is ignorant but he chooses to be "willingly ignorant" that Adams entire Universe was totally destroyed in the flood AND that our Universe will be burned as 2 Peter 3:3-7 states.

From now, to the end, you can no longer be innocent since you have now been told. You fit into the category of people of the last days, who are "willingly ignorant" or not. God Bless you

HereIStand said:

Creation isn't a theory, otherwise we can't be sure of our existence.

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What do you mean?

TLK Valentine said:

What do you mean?

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He means Humans don't just pop into being out of nothing as Godless Evolution preaches.

Aman777 said:

He means Humans don't just pop into being out of nothing as Godless Evolution preaches.

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Not even the real theory of evolution preaches that.

Aman777 said:

He means Humans don't just pop into being out of nothing as Godless Evolution preaches.

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But that has nothing to do with what he was saying.