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Sunrise, Sunset: A Question for Flat-Earthers

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Ok, let me rephrase. If a person looks up at the sky at NOON every day, is the sun always the same distance away from him?
Well now, that would depend on season and hence your change of location, correct?
 
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Ok, let me rephrase. If a person looks up at the sky at NOON every day, is the sun always the same distance away from him?
No. Because the sun is moving in a spiral pattern, it's distance would change gradually between Summer and Winter (that's why we have the Tropics and the Equator, right?).
 
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If the sun only had a diameter of 30 miles, it would have burned out long ago.

That assumes knowledge on how it functions and its actual current age. You can't impose the assumptions of cosmic evolutionary thought to this scenario because the two aren't compatible.

A main point of this is that the entire concept of that evolutionary model isn't viable, and therefore a FE model cannot be judged by its assumptions.
 
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The heliocentric model of our local universe is entirely valid and is 100% consistent with the laws of motion and of gravity.
"The experiment known as “Airy’s Failure” proved that the stars move relative to a stationary Earth and not the other way around. By first filling a telescope with water to slow down the speed of light inside, then calculating the tilt necessary to get the starlight directly down the tube, Airy failed to prove the heliocentric theory since the starlight was already coming in the correct angle with no change necessary, and instead proved the geocentric model correct."

"The Michelson-Morley and Sagnac experiments attempted to measure the change in speed of light due to Earth’s assumed motion through space. After measuring in every possible different direction in various locations they failed to detect any significant change whatsoever, again proving the stationary geocentric model."
 
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Geometry was created thousands of years ago by NASA to disprove GOD! NASA SCIENTISTS used the same time travel technology that the OBAMA admin used to insert FAKE birth announcements in Hawaii papers.

Here is what the flat earth people DO NOT want you to know. THEY are PART of the NASA cover-up. They get a percentage of the $60 million a day that NASA is skimming from the United States Federal Budget, an amount that is almost impossible to fully comprehend in how large it is. That is how they are funded to create all the convincing YouTube videos and pay for the conventions. You think they have legit patron accounts? Follow the money; it is all from deep cover NASA employees. What is NASA really trying to protect? The true shape of the Earth. What is this true shape? A FOUR sided PYRAMID! I am only telling everyone this because last night I was visited by FOUR former flat earth true believers. They had been refused their cut of the $60 million and wanted to get the info out there but knew that NASA would shut down their platform on YouTube. They pass an immense amount of data to me in the form of thumb drives/memory sticks and external hard drives. Over 20 trillion Terabytes of classified information and told me “to get it out there”. These men were from the future and unfortunately, we will have to wait until USB 9.2 is developed in order to transmit all this important data.

After this cache of information was given to me three NASA FEAR team members appeared (Flat Earth Elimination And Response) and vaporized the four with some kind of direct energy or plasma ray in the 40 watt range I would guess. As my DNA was slightly different from the future humans, the NASA killers could not “see” me, just like the Borg could not the first away team so I think that I am safe for the time being.

For all those that are going to try and attack me and this newly revealed truth, I give you this…

Pyramid Earth allows a disappearing horizon AND explains why the tallest parts of a ship are the first parts seen.

Pyramid Earth allows Solar Eclipse.

Pyramid Earth allows Lunar eclipse.

Pyramid Earth allows gravity as opposed to constant acceleration upwards.

Pyramid Earth allows the UN map as seen from the top.

Pyramid Earth allows flights from Sidney to Johannesburg to take the short way over Antarctica on the bottom.

Pyramid Earth allows Antarctica to still be forbidden to all ground travel.

Pyramid Earth allows seasons.

Pyramid Earth allows different constellations.

Pyramid Earth allows time zones.


Pyramid Earth allows parts of the earth to be in full light and full darkness at the same time.

Pyramid Earth allows the sun to set over the earth’s edge and rise over the corresponding edge.

Pyramid Earth allows satellites and GPS

Pyramid Earth allows the North Pole is still at the top and is located in the exact center looking down at the earth.

Pyramid Earth allows spaceflights.

Pyramid Earth explains why both the sun and moon appear to change size and get larger the closer they are to the horizon. Because they ARE closer!

Pyramid Earth allows both of the false theories of flat earth and “round” or “globe” earth to exists. (I’m sorry, I still can’t believe that some people think the world is round and cannot stop laughing there lack of understanding of the physical world.)

Proof?

#1 Geometry. Geometry was created by NASA scientists to combat the correct and true math,Trigonometry. Trigonometry is also used by “Rounder’s” to disprove flat earth.

#2 Pi. Why haven’t we found the end of Pi? 3? 3.14? 3.141592? It keeps going and going. Why? Because it is a fake number created by NASA and is impossible to occur in nature. Because the earth is not a so called globe as “Rounder’s” want you to believe.

#3 Pyramids. Pyramids were built by ancient cultures on several continents that also had great understanding of astronomy and could predict eclipses. They also all happen to be four sided Pyramids.

#4 Seemingly innocent phrases. How many have heard of the phrase “to the ends of the earth”? Ends is plural, not singular. A true flat earth only has ONE end, this will bring me to the next innocent phrase. Four corners of the earth. A Pyramid earth has four corners that have been visited by both ancient man and a select few modern humans. Four corners are also plural thus disproving the flat earth model.

#5 Benjamin Solomon Carson Sr. Hoo-boy, this guy. Ben Carson almost let the cat out of the bag during the previous election cycle in the United States. He almost revealed the true nature of the Pyramid earth and had to change his answer saying Pyramids were used for grain storage. This is why nothing is done live and is always on a time delay. Seriously, a doctor is intelligent and he probably came across the truth as so many of us do, by interacting with time travelers from the future. To believe that a doctor really believed that the pyramids were used for grain storage is ridiculous but these are the measures that NASA will go through to keep their secret. Not surprisingly, he was offered compensation for his silence by being made United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development but then really, as a doctor, come on NASA, were are not that stupid.

The Truth Really is OUT THERE!
 
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What do you think the circumference of Antarctica is, roughly?
Well, it would have to be pretty big, wouldn't it, if it encompasses the entire Earth. So probably around 78000 miles?
 
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"The Michelson-Morley and Sagnac experiments attempted to measure the change in speed of light due to Earth’s assumed motion through space. After measuring in every possible different direction in various locations they failed to detect any significant change whatsoever, again proving the stationary geocentric model."

The Michelson-Morley experiment was designed to prove or disprove the existence of the "aether" (a hypothetical medium for the transmission of light). The experiment proved that the aether did not exist NOT that the earth was stationary
 
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Geometry was created thousands of years ago by NASA to disprove GOD! NASA SCIENTISTS used the same time travel technology that the OBAMA admin used to insert FAKE birth announcements in Hawaii papers.

Here is what the flat earth people DO NOT want you to know. THEY are PART of the NASA cover-up. They get a percentage of the $60 million a day that NASA is skimming from the United States Federal Budget, an amount that is almost impossible to fully comprehend in how large it is. That is how they are funded to create all the convincing YouTube videos and pay for the conventions. You think they have legit patron accounts? Follow the money; it is all from deep cover NASA employees. What is NASA really trying to protect? The true shape of the Earth. What is this true shape? A FOUR sided PYRAMID! I am only telling everyone this because last night I was visited by FOUR former flat earth true believers. They had been refused their cut of the $60 million and wanted to get the info out there but knew that NASA would shut down their platform on YouTube. They pass an immense amount of data to me in the form of thumb drives/memory sticks and external hard drives. Over 20 trillion Terabytes of classified information and told me “to get it out there”. These men were from the future and unfortunately, we will have to wait until USB 9.2 is developed in order to transmit all this important data.

After this cache of information was given to me three NASA FEAR team members appeared (Flat Earth Elimination And Response) and vaporized the four with some kind of direct energy or plasma ray in the 40 watt range I would guess. As my DNA was slightly different from the future humans, the NASA killers could not “see” me, just like the Borg could not the first away team so I think that I am safe for the time being.

For all those that are going to try and attack me and this newly revealed truth, I give you this…

Pyramid Earth allows a disappearing horizon AND explains why the tallest parts of a ship are the first parts seen.

Pyramid Earth allows Solar Eclipse.

Pyramid Earth allows Lunar eclipse.

Pyramid Earth allows gravity as opposed to constant acceleration upwards.

Pyramid Earth allows the UN map as seen from the top.

Pyramid Earth allows flights from Sidney to Johannesburg to take the short way over Antarctica on the bottom.

Pyramid Earth allows Antarctica to still be forbidden to all ground travel.

Pyramid Earth allows seasons.

Pyramid Earth allows different constellations.

Pyramid Earth allows time zones.


Pyramid Earth allows parts of the earth to be in full light and full darkness at the same time.

Pyramid Earth allows the sun to set over the earth’s edge and rise over the corresponding edge.

Pyramid Earth allows satellites and GPS

Pyramid Earth allows the North Pole is still at the top and is located in the exact center looking down at the earth.

Pyramid Earth allows spaceflights.

Pyramid Earth explains why both the sun and moon appear to change size and get larger the closer they are to the horizon. Because they ARE closer!

Pyramid Earth allows both of the false theories of flat earth and “round” or “globe” earth to exists. (I’m sorry, I still can’t believe that some people think the world is round and cannot stop laughing there lack of understanding of the physical world.)

Proof?

#1 Geometry. Geometry was created by NASA scientists to combat the correct and true math,Trigonometry. Trigonometry is also used by “Rounder’s” to disprove flat earth.

#2 Pi. Why haven’t we found the end of Pi? 3? 3.14? 3.141592? It keeps going and going. Why? Because it is a fake number created by NASA and is impossible to occur in nature. Because the earth is not a so called globe as “Rounder’s” want you to believe.

#3 Pyramids. Pyramids were built by ancient cultures on several continents that also had great understanding of astronomy and could predict eclipses. They also all happen to be four sided Pyramids.

#4 Seemingly innocent phrases. How many have heard of the phrase “to the ends of the earth”? Ends is plural, not singular. A true flat earth only has ONE end, this will bring me to the next innocent phrase. Four corners of the earth. A Pyramid earth has four corners that have been visited by both ancient man and a select few modern humans. Four corners are also plural thus disproving the flat earth model.

#5 Benjamin Solomon Carson Sr. Hoo-boy, this guy. Ben Carson almost let the cat out of the bag during the previous election cycle in the United States. He almost revealed the true nature of the Pyramid earth and had to change his answer saying Pyramids were used for grain storage. This is why nothing is done live and is always on a time delay. Seriously, a doctor is intelligent and he probably came across the truth as so many of us do, by interacting with time travelers from the future. To believe that a doctor really believed that the pyramids were used for grain storage is ridiculous but these are the measures that NASA will go through to keep their secret. Not surprisingly, he was offered compensation for his silence by being made United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development but then really, as a doctor, come on NASA, were are not that stupid.

The Truth Really is OUT THERE!

You have just confirmed all my suspicions. I am submitting your name to the Nobel committee. You are a shoo in for a joint physics/peace prize.
 
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The Michelson-Morley experiment was designed to prove or disprove the existence of the "aether" (a hypothetical medium for the transmission of light). The experiment proved that the aether did not exist NOT that the earth was stationary

Well, it proves no aether if motion of the earth is assumed. If the earth is not moving, then the results would have been consistent with that assumption as well, regardless of the existence of the aether or not.

Problem is that Airy's Failure and the Sagnac experiment prove an existence of the aether. So when one uses those results and goes back to the Michelson-Morley experiment with the findings that the aether does indeed exist, then the conclusion of this experiment is there is no motion detected.
 
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No. Because the sun is moving in a spiral pattern, it's distance would change gradually between Summer and Winter (that's why we have the Tropics and the Equator, right?).

No, we do not have the Tropics and the Equator because the sun moves in a spiral pattern.

Ok, then let me ask this (trying to get in idea of how the motion of your sun works)...

If one were to travel the world periodically through the year such that at noon the sun was directly overhead. Would the sun then always be the same distance from the observer? In other words, does the spiral stay on the same plane above the earth, or does the spiral include the sun getting closer or farther away from the earth?
 
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Well, it would have to be pretty big, wouldn't it, if it encompasses the entire Earth. So probably around 78000 miles?

And yet it can be circumnavigated completely by traveling only some 12,000 miles...
 
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And yet it can be circumnavigated completely by traveling only some 12,000 miles...

The flat earth projection centered on the north pole completely distorts the geography of everything south of the equator and the further south the greater the distortion. Do a little research on the rail or road mileages in Australia.
 
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The flat earth projection centered on the north pole completely distorts the geography of everything south of the equator and the further south the greater the distortion. Do a little research on the rail or road mileages in Australia.

I mean a guy COULD drive them himself IF HE CARED ABOUT THE TRUTH!
 
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The Michelson-Morley experiment was designed to prove or disprove the existence of the "aether" (a hypothetical medium for the transmission of light). The experiment proved that the aether did not exist NOT that the earth was stationary

It proved nothing of the sort.


Einstein also wrote that “we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it.”

Einstein: Ether and Relativity

But notice they want to apply the idea of motion to it anyways (accelerating, bending, expanding, as if it can be tracked through time); but that’s another subject.

It was concluded there was no aether because of an incorrect belief in what the Michelson-Morley experiment showed. The only thing it actually showed was how easily people are fooled by incorrect conceptions. How they (and people still) failed to see that their viewpoint from outside the system being measured was flawed from the beginning.

The Michelson-Morley experiment is the biggest overlooked conceptual error of all time.

You, the observer looking at the illustration or device, are outside the illustration or device, and the illustration or device is moving with regard to you.

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Feynman said: “Let us calculate the time required for the light to go to E and back. Let us say that the time for light to go from plate B to the mirror E is t1 and the time for the return is t2. While the light is on its way from B to the mirror [E], the apparatus moves a distance ut1, so light must traverse a distance of L+ut1 at the speed of c.”

Well, from your eyeballs’ point of view, looking at the illustration or device, yes. But from the point of view of the device, no. We conceptionally see the device moving, and therefore we see the extra distance ut1. But the device does not see itself moving. It has no velocity relative to itself. No object can calculate itself as moving in its own co-ordinate system. Any observer attached to the device or moving along with the device will see or measure the distance L. Period. Only an observer outside the local system would see the distance L+ut1. The device is inside its local system. The device cannot hope to measure any extra distance, or to find a phase difference at the end.

The entire experiment is founded on a conceptual error of the greatest import. The device is not moving relative to itself. There can be no phase shift because the device will never measure any distance but that of L. It will never measure the extra distance of ut1. No phase shift could ever be produced.

No system sees itself in motion. Only an outside observer would ever see the extra distance of ut1.

Just as if we built the device on the surface of the earth and spun the earth (oh wait, we already have) only an outside observer (off planet) would see the extra distance light must travel [ut1], while we (moving with the device) see it as stationary. The outside observer would expect a phase shift, while we on the earth would not. The experiment would measure the distance L and no phase shift would occurr to the astonishment of the outside observer.

The Michelson-Morley experiment is nothing but a conceptual error of profound proportions. So there has been no experiment that has shown the aether does not exist, but one of profound conceptual mistakes. So there was never any valid reason to begin with to conclude no aether existed. Just the incorrect conceptual errors of close to 130 years.
 
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