Sunrise, Sunset: A Question for Flat-Earthers

[Doctor.Sphinx]

And you know it isn't? Have you tried this simple experiment? https://www.astro.princeton.edu/~dns/teachersguide/MeasECAct.html

This phenomena doesn't disprove Flat Earth theory, as it's due to perspective, in the same way "a ship which sails over the 'curve' of the horizon, bottom first" can be brought back into view by binoculars or a telescope.

The fact that more powerful lenses can bring an object back into view from "over the 'curve' of the horizon" proves the phenomena cannot be due to Earth's curvature.

 

[Chinchilla]

 

[Herman Hedning]

This phenomena doesn't disprove Flat Earth theory, as it's due to perspective, in the same way "a ship which sails over the 'curve' of the horizon, bottom first" can be brought back into view by binoculars or a telescope.

The fact that more powerful lenses can bring an object back into view from "over the 'curve' of the horizon" proves the phenomena cannot be due to Earth's curvature.

No, just no. I usually don't resort to "argumentum ad Youtubum", but this shows pretty unequivocally that the earth does indeed curve.

 

[Chinchilla]

No, just no. I usually don't resort to "argumentum ad Youtubum", but this shows pretty unequivocally that the earth does indeed curve.

Many rockets much space

 

[Skreeper]

Many rockets much space

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

No, just no. I usually don't resort to "argumentum ad Youtubum", but this shows pretty unequivocally that the earth does indeed curve.

Interesting. But the experiment described doesn't disprove Flat Earth or prove Ball Earth, it just provides an example that is not inconsistent with Ball Earth.

Those who believe Earth to be flat often cite those examples and experiments that are inconsistent with Ball Earth (i.e. the object can be seen from beyond where it should be hidden by the horizon, were the Earth really curved).

 

[Herman Hedning]

Interesting. But the experiment described doesn't disprove Flat Earth or prove Ball Earth, it just provides an example that is not inconsistent with Ball Earth.

Uh huh. So, how would you explain this given a flat earth perspective?

 

[Herman Hedning]

Many rockets much space

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Eratosthenes of Cyrene knew the earth was round 2200 years ago.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Now tell us which power plant he videotaped, because it sure wasnt the power plant in Hadera as claimed.

Stock Photos from their website. Notice the lights are not even similar to what is seen in the video.....

https://mapio.net/a/102104420/?lang=en

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Eratosthenes of Cyrene knew the earth was round 2200 years ago.

Jesus and Yahweh knew before he did .................

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Jesus and Yahweh knew before he did .................

Long before that. Isiah 40:42 and that unlike others knew it floated in empty space.

Job 26:7 "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing." They knew there was no elephant or turtle or man underneath holding up the globe.

Notice clearly God knew it was a globe, hence it had a horizon.

Proverbs 8:27 "I was there when He established the heavens, when He inscribed the horizon on the face of the deep,"

Job 26:10 "He has inscribed a horizon on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness."

Clearly they understood the horizon to be the boundary between light and darkness, that the sun was not simply circling overhead. Unless FE propose God was fooled by perspective?

Although the Hebrew had no word for globe, they did have one for ball "sur" which implies a circling.

 

[Herman Hedning]

Now tell us which power plant he videotaped, because it sure wasnt the power plant in Hadera as claimed.

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Stock Photos from their website. Notice the lights are not even similar to what is seen in the video.....

https://mapio.net/a/102104420/?lang=en

Did you have to look for long to find an image as dissimilar as possible? Your stock photo shows only three chimneys, so it must be from before 2012 when construction on the fourth started. The video I linked to was posted to Youtube in August 2016, so presumably shot around then.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Did you have to look for long to find an image as dissimilar as possible? Your stock photo shows only three chimneys, so it must be from before 2012 when construction on the fourth started. The video I linked to was posted to Youtube in August 2016, so presumably shot around then.

Are these two better? Still as you can see the lights are completely different.....

Any more excuses we need to get out of the way?

 

[Herman Hedning]

Are these two better? Still as you can see the lights are completely different.....
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Any more excuses we need to get out of the way?

Maybe because these are taken from close by, but the images in the video are from a distance of more than 45 kilometers away? Let me get this straight, are you seriously saying that the video is fake?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Maybe because these are taken from close by, but the images in the video are from a distance of more than 45 kilometers away? Let me get this straight, are you seriously saying that the video is fake?

No more than globe supporters claim FE videos are fake.

I'm saying if you weren't there, you don't know, nor do I. I can only compare to actual pictures I know are of that. I guess it depends on the length people will go to to support their beliefs, like Piltdown Man, Nebraska Man................. some will do anything in fervent defense of their beliefs. Don't know the video poster, only have actual pictures to compare it to....

 

[Steve Petersen]

Why aren't the Rocky Mountains visible from eastern Montana if the earth is flat?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Why aren't the Rocky Mountains visible from eastern Montana if the earth is flat?

As it was explained to me, the atmosphere is really not transparent and after ten of so kilometers it becomes impossible to see trough.

 

[Strathos]

As it was explained to me, the atmosphere is really not transparent and after ten of so kilometers it becomes impossible to see trough.

Except for all of the points on earth where you can clearly see for more than 10 km...

 

[USincognito]

If it's been several weeks, chances are the answer was already provided previously in the thread, or if not, maybe your question wasn't phrased very well?

Bahahahahah! Your Jedi mind tricks won't work on me. Here's what posted in this thread:

Post #45.

It's not. The Flerfer fantasy that one cannot get to Antarctica is simply false.

Absolutely false. The McMurdo and Palmer Stations have 24/7 live webcams and the Amundsen-Scott Station has near 24/7 during the Austral summer.
https://www.usap.gov/videoclipsandmaps/mcmwebcam.cfm
The Australian Davis Station has a time lapse skycam updated daily.
http://www.antarctica.gov.au/webcams/davis

As I said above, the Flerfer fantasy that anyone is banned from Antarctica is simply a myth. There are nearly 100 camps, stations and bases on the continent with at least 2500 personnel over the summer. That doesn't include cargo ships and research vessels there for a short period of time. There are also numerous outfits that organize non-governmental expeditions.
https://antarctic-logistics.com/

Oh, and NASA has nothing to do with Antarctica. The American presence is run by the National Science Foundation and the U.S. Antarctic Program. There are also 20 other countries that have a presence on the continent.

You didn't respond to the thread again so I bumped it and tried to bring it to your attention last Wednesday (post #58). You responded to the thread (post #59), but for some reason you avoided responding to my post.

Now, since my post expressed my points very clearly and were supported by links, I can't think of a legitimate reason why you would not respond to my evidence that
1. There are indeed 24 hour live cams at several locations on Antarctica
2. That one can travel to Antarctica both under the auspices of various national scientific bodies or tourism groups and
3. That the only presence NASA has among the ~2500 people on Antarctica are astronomers, astrophysicists or exobiologists who represent a small proportion of the total personnel there.