Sunday Is Not the Sabbath

[ozso]

It shows that not everyone has faith, which is how we are saved, not by law keeping. How can we have faith, but not enough faith to believe the teachings of Jesus? Did Jesus ever tell us we don't need to keep the Sabbath commandment? You would need a thus saith the Lord for that because God blessed the Sabbath day that He hallowed Exodus 20:11 and only God can reverse a blessing. Num 23:20. Jesus kept the Sabbath His whole life and all of His Fathers commandments and is our example to follow. 1 John 2:6 John 15:10 If you read the scripture carefully, you will find most scripture regarding God's holy Sabbath day from the beginning to the end is a thus saith the Lord. We should believe the very words that come out of God's mouth because He is our Creator and our Savior and knows what is best for us. He wants to spend time with man on the day He set aside and sanctified for holy use because we cannot sanctify ourselves, only God can. Eze 20:12 and without spending quality time with someone we don't know them and God wants to know us. 1 John 2:4 He gave us 6 days to do all our work and labors Exodus 20:9 and only asks for one full day back Exodus 20:8-11 and sadly that is too much for the majority of people.

That's a very eloquent deflection.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That's a very eloquent deflection.

I guess we will have to wait to find out. I would not want to be wrong. Revelation 22:14 Today is just our test, like those in the days of the wilderness.

 

[ozso]

Almost all Christian denominations affirm all TEN -- this is beyond dispute when you take the time to read their own claims.

what you are really saying is "which ones say it is ok to EDIT the TEN".

Right, none of them actually say that Christians are bound to the seventh day sabbath law.

More specifically you are arguing that Adventists could not possibly know NOT to EDIT the Commandments of God (like the Seventh-day Baptists knew it BEFORE the Adventists) -- without having the Sunday-keeping Ellen White first object to the idea of not editing the Commandments then later realizing that it makes no sense to edit God's commandments just as the Seventh-day Baptist had been saying as they were convincing Adventst-after-Adventist of this glaringly obvious Bible detail..

Christ Himself makes this "do not edit the Commandments of God with your traditions" argument in Mark 7:7-13 --- but to see it you would need to be interested in reading the Bible on this topic, actual historic and biblical facts on the subject.

I'm arguing that SDA has an interpretation of the seventh day sabbath law as it pertains to Christians as given by EGW, who got a lot of it from the Seventh-day Baptist, who got it from James Ockford, Peter Chamberlen and William Saller.

 

[BobRyan]

Nope I just read what an SDA website had to say. I always strive for objectivity, so I always get my info from the horse's mouth rather than from someone's spin.

Sadly that apparently does not include the reading of actual history, SDA denomination statements, the real history of how Seventh-day Baptists introduced sunday-keeping Adventists to the idea of "not editing" the TEN Commandments etc.

No I just read an SDA overview of her interpretations regarding scripture and the Sabbath.

IF you had the SDA overview of the history of the Sabbath among Adventists you would have known that it is the Seventh-day Baptists that so convincingly presented an "unedited Bible Sabbath" to people like Uriah Smith and other sunday-keeping Adventists and you would know that the sunday-keeping Ellen White was not in favor of leaving the commandment as it is (since her Methodist up-bringing was slanted in favor of turning it from 7th day to first day to begin with).

 

[BobRyan]

Right, none of them actually say that Christians are bound to the seventh day sabbath law.

they say SABBATH --

But you avoid actually quoting the commandment from God's Word - because it deletes every argument you make against it so far.

I'm arguing that SDA has an interpretation of the seventh day sabbath law as it pertains to Christians as given by EGW

Because you are ignorant of the fact that it is the Seventh-day Baptists who introduced this "do not edit God's Law regarding the Sabbath" teaching to Adventists - NOT Ellen White... and though repeatedly posted you still refuse to quote the commandment or look at the actual historic facts ...

The idea of not letting the facts get in the way of your convenient story --- is not as compelling as you seem to have at first supposed.

Consider an actual fact.

, who got a lot of it from the Seventh-day Baptist,

Ellen White did not get it from Seventh-day Baptists, but other Adventists did long before she accepted it. you need an actual fact, start with an open Bible, start by actually quoting the commandment you are claiming is edited to no longer point to the seventh day, look at actual history.

 

[ozso]

I guess we will have to wait to find out. I would not want to be wrong. Revelation 22:14 Today is just our test, like those in the days of the wilderness.

I've read this line many times before which basically amounts to, you should worry about going to hell for siding with virtually all of Christianity from the time of the Apostles instead of us.

 

[BobRyan]

interpretation of the seventh day sabbath law as it pertains to Christians as given by EGW, who got a lot of it from the Seventh-day Baptist, who got it from James Ockford, Peter Chamberlen and William Saller.

you need facts... quote the actual commandment if you don't think it has the seventh day in it for anyone but Seventh-day Baptists
quote any SDA document saying that James Ockford or William Saller's determine if we are allowed to edit the Word of God or not.

actually take the time to read Mark 7:7-13. You are camped out on the notion that traditions of man should suffice to edit the Word of God though Christ flat out slam-hammers that failed idea in Mark 7 (which apparently you are not up to reading)

Even your own Sunday groups admit that the Sabbath as God gave it was Saturday. That includes Catholic sources.

How in the world can you make a compelling argument with those sorts of glaringly obvious flawed practices on this topic??

 

[ozso]

they say SABBATH --

Yes but we both know perfectly well that none of them actually say that Christians are bound to the seventh day sabbath law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I've read this line many times before which basically amounts to, you should worry about going to hell for siding with virtually all of Christianity from the time of the Apostles instead of us.

Did Jesus ever tell us to follow the wide path or the majority? God's Word has always been the path that was given to us Psalms 119:105 for safety, outside danger Isaiah 8:20 and the path we are to take is the narrow one. Matthew 7:11-13

Do you really need to depend on the majority of people to interpret this easy scripture?

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

This is the one commandment that brings us back to the God of Creation, there are many gods in this world but there is only one God of Creation and the Sabbath is a memorial to that one True God. We are told the devil deceives the whole world which means the majority, The only way we know if we are following the one True God is through His Word and in all of God's Word, there is no scripture that says we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment. Scripture does say the Sabbath-rest (commandment) remains for God's people. Hebrews 4:9 NIV

 

[BobRyan]

I'm arguing that SDA has an interpretation of the seventh day sabbath law as it pertains to Christians as given by EGW, who got a lot of it from the Seventh-day Baptist,

And of course that is not supported by history at all.

SDAs were sunday keeping (that includes Ellen White) and the Seventh-day Baptist convinced a number of Adventists to NOT edit the Word of God when it comes the Sabbath commandment (which you apparently find impossible to comprehend) - .

Then it is those Adventists that discussed this point later with Ellen White. All the Bible study going on around that topic in the Adventist church at the time was not with Ellen White - it is something that came to her attention later.

Your position relies so much on Bible-avoidance to support it - why would anyone need Ellen White to see your problem - the Seventh-day Baptists had no "Ellen White" and they "got the point".

Start by reading the texts you refuse to quote.
Ex 20:8-11
Mark 7:7-13
Is 66:23
Mark 2:27

BTW Baptists and Adventists - got the Bible Sabbath from the Bible... from the text you refuse to quote.

 

[ozso]

you need facts... quote the actual commandment if you don't think it has the seventh day in it for anyone but Seventh-day Baptists
quote any SDA document saying that James Ockford or William Saller's determine if we are allowed to edit the Word of God or not.

actually take the time to read Mark 7:7-13. You are camped out on the notion that traditions of man should suffice to edit the Word of God though Christ flat out slam-hammers that failed idea in Mark 7 (which apparently you are not up to reading)

Even your own Sunday groups admit that the Sabbath as God gave it was Saturday. That includes Catholic sources.

How in the world can you make a compelling argument with those sorts of glaringly obvious flawed practices on this topic??

If the SDA didn't agree to most of the edits, that would be more convincing.

 

[ozso]

Did Jesus ever tell us to follow the wide path or the majority? God's Word has always been the path that was given to us Psalms 119:105 for safety, outside danger Isaiah 8:20 and the path we are to take is the narrow one. Matthew 7:11-13

Do you really need to depend on the majority of people to interpret this easy scripture?

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

This is the one commandment that brings us back to the God of Creation, there are many gods in this world but there is only one God of Creation and the Sabbath is a memorial to that one True God. We are told the devil deceives the whole world which means the majority, The only way we know if we are following the one True God is through His Word and in all of God's Word, there is no scripture that says we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment. Scripture does say the Sabbath-rest (commandment) remains for God's people. Hebrews 4:9 NIV

We are the narrow gate. The rest of Christianity is the broad path to destruction.

 

[BobRyan]

If the SDA didn't agree to most of the edits, that would be more convincing.

1. Do you agree with Editing the Commandments of God - even though Christ condemns doing it in Mark 7:7-13
2. Do you suppose that SDAs argue for editing Ex 20:8-11 and changing its 7th day to first day?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

We are the narrow gate. The rest of Christianity is the broad path to destruction.

Those who have faith keep the commandments of God and trust when God says no editing His commandments, He means what He says.

The warnings given in scripture are given for our own good, but not everyone believes.

 

[ozso]

Those who have faith keep the commandments of God and trust when God says no editing His commandments, He means what He says.

The warnings given in scripture are given for our own good, but not everyone believes.

Take it up with the Apostles and the Apostolic Fathers, it's all their fault.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Take it up with the Apostles and the Apostolic Fathers, it's all their fault.

The apostles kept the Sabbath and advocated we keep God's commandments; it has nothing to do with them. The edited commandments has nothing to do with them. They warned what would happen after their death. Acts 20:29-30

 

[ozso]

1. Do you agree with Editing the Commandments of God - even though Christ condemns doing it in Mark 7:7-13

Like I said, SDA are in favor of most of what was edited.

2. Do you suppose that SDAs argue for editing Ex 20:8-11 and changing its 7th day to first day?

No, that was the Apostles and the Apostolic Fathers they chose to succeed them.

Did the first Christian believers keep the Sabbath and if so on which day?

According to Colossians, there appears to be some disagreement amongst the first century church on whether to keep the Sabbath: Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you ea...

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[ozso]

The apostles kept the Sabbath and advocated we keep God's commandments; it has nothing to do with them.

Not according to the writings of those the Apostles personally taught and chose to succeed them.

Did the first Christian believers keep the Sabbath and if so on which day?

According to Colossians, there appears to be some disagreement amongst the first century church on whether to keep the Sabbath: Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you ea...

christianity.stackexchange.com

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Not according to the writings of those the Apostles personally taught and chose to succeed them.

Did the first Christian believers keep the Sabbath and if so on which day?

According to Colossians, there appears to be some disagreement amongst the first century church on whether to keep the Sabbath: Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you ea...

christianity.stackexchange.com

We went through this, this is not about the Sabbath commandment, the context is ordinances that was handwritten and contrary. Col 2:14 KJV Context doesn't fit- the Sabbath was blessed by God, so no man can reverse, so you need a thus saith the Lord Num 23:20. Blessed is not the definition for contrary. Commandments are not ordinances Neh 9:13 and handwritten by man is not finger-written by God. Exodus 31:18

Plus this is easily disproved by the words of Jesus who said His people would be keeping the Sabbath decades after the cross Matthew 24:20 and for eternity Isaiah 66:22-23 and the apostles kept every Sabbath decades after the cross. Acts 13:42, Acts 13:44, Acts 18:4 and the apostles listened to God and God said no editing His commandments Deut 4:2

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said:

1. Do you agree with Editing the Commandments of God - even though Christ condemns doing it in Mark 7:7-13

Like I said, SDA are in favor of most of what was edited.

say something with a fact attached to it. So far you are majoring in accusations without facts. Name a fact. Quote something. What part of Ex 20:8-11 do you suppose SDAs are wanting/agreeing to "edit". name something.