suicide

[freeport]

"Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:
‘ He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,
‘ In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.'

Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not tempt the LORD your God." Matthew 4:5-7

Sin is a rejection of God's law.
Suicide is a rejection of God.
Jesus wasn't fooled; don't let the devil's advocates fool you.

Mercy trumps judgment.

Everytime.

The Law is fulfilled in love.


Jesus put himself in dangerous situations often. We have a few recorded, such as when he spoke boldly to the crowd and Nazareth and they attempted to throw him off a cliff. Or, when he slept in the storm -- he rebuked the storm, then the apostles.

Jesus was rebuking Satan there because Satan was testing him to see if He really was the Son of God. Satan was doubting and so putting Jesus to the test.

 

[freeport]

Jesus had the powe to rebuke the storm and he knew that, he was acting within his know capabilities and at the end he knew what had to be done but still did not really want to do it becuase he was human. We have to know our own strengths and weaknesses and what gifts God has given us and to what extent to use thoes gifts, being a marter for the sake of being a marter is foolishness. Christianity is not seseme street like you make it out to be it is actually very complex otherwise it would not be writen in a book that is over 1000 pages.

Huh? Please refrain from personal attacks. Jesus had the faith to walk on air, but why should He have done that just to prove to Satan He is the Son of God? That is called putting God to the test.

No "sesame street" about it.

Feel free to critique what I said... but misquoting people to prove a point doesn't help anything.

I have no problem understanding the difference between faith in God in dangerous situations and not. Pretty simple thing.

Suicide, clearly, is a sin. And it is lack of faith.

But that does not mean just because someone did not have perfect faith that therefore they are damned forever.

Hence, what I was saying about people having compassion.

 

[spidergains]

Here is one church that advocates suicide.
Church of Euthanasia
Save the Planet, Kill Yourself

 

[freeport]

Suicide is not a good thing I will agree with you there which is why I am rebuking you on another tread where a guy is contemplating it because of his sitaution and you are telling him he should just keep doing what he is doing and expect different results which is the definition of insantiy. Im sorry that this nation leaves men with no other way out than to leave the nation but that is how gestopo child support enforement has gotten, he may be able to talk to a lawyer to figure out ways to keep more of his money but its a long shot, if all of his legal avenues to get a reasonable support order are used up then he has to do something else. This world is getting more and more corrupt so there are less and less places to go, even in duby they have debtors prisons, the battle of armageddon is the only way to squelch the corruption that is going on, the only other way is if the US military were to invoke a ku (sorry not the right spelling) they have enough might to restore order but who knows what there agenda would be.

No, you have a good batch of points...

 

[gabrielListens]

When you take your own life you are rejecting God's will and saying to God: "I no longer believe or trust that you will save me."

"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned"
John 5:24

 

[Strix]

My main question is: As a true Christian, if you commit suicide, are you given a one-way ticket to hell?

I've done quite a bit of online researching here and there. I've also asked my pastors at my church for their point of view. Of course, they all said "YOU GO TO HELL!" Based on basic knowledge of the scripture and the simple research I've done, I believe that if I were to kill myself at this moment, I would go into heaven. Committing suicide is an act of selfishness. Selfishness is a sin. A sin can be forgiven.

Please share some of your answers to this extremely controversial question. I really am curious, too curious for my own good.

Having spent time working for a UK charity caled the samaritans, where I dealt with hundreds of suicidal people, I cannot bring myself to believe that suicides go to hell.

What I will say is that Suicide is a sin, the 10 commandments blatantly say "thou shalt not commit murder", and I would assume that would extend to murder of the self. However, its not the unforgivable sin, which is blasphemy against the holy spirit (gospel of Mark)

However, consider Sampson, who tore down the columns of the temple and killed himself and, in doing so, killed his enemies. Sampson is listed as one of the heroes of the faith in the book of Hebrews (I think). Plus the Bible says "there is no condemnation for those in Christ". Christ covers our sin, we don't do it ourselves.

So I sould say that, while suicide is never the answer (having tried it 3 times myself, I know this is the case) and its incredibly foolish, I don't think theres anything stopping someone who's committed suicide going to Heaven.

 

[heron]

There are so many reasons that people consider suicide. Very few of the reasons are random and sin-based.

We like to presume that everyone is born fully functional and "normal."

Medications with side effects of suicidal thoughts and impulses:

Allergy/Asthma medications (with other "neuropsychiatric events")
Malaria prevention with mefloquine
Antidepressants, especially with paroxetine (all have FDA warnings on label)
ADHD meds with atomoxetine
Anxiety and insomnia meds - benzodiazepines
Anticonvulsantsfor epilepsy, migraines, and bipolar disorder -
carbamazepine, felbamate, gabapentin, lamotrigine, levetiracetam, oxcarbazepine, pregabalin, tiagabine, topiramate, valproate, and zonisamide.


Mental Health America: Suicide


Antidepressants for those with bipolar disorder carries additional risk.

You know the story of Samson -- he went down in a blaze of glory. It is not for us to decide what God will do when each person faces Him, but there are several references to suicidal thoughts in the Bible, not presented as though it is a sin, but a result of unbearable circumstances.

It is a very sad thing for friends and family to live through, knowing someone had come to such a point of despair that they didn't feel they could live.

 

[Chris_G]

As children of God, we will not go to heaven until God says it's time, until your purpose, and mine, on earth has been fulfilled. He decides. We must all respect and honor that!

 

[annrobert]

A sin is not covered by the blood of Jesus if it's willful. (If you know it's wrong and you are choosing to do it.)

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness.


HEB 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.


Besides, the act of killing yourself is REBELLING against God. He gives life and only He can take it away in HIS own time. If it's His will that you live then you have to live. You are going against the will of God when you yourself interrupt your life which God wants you to keep living. And Jesus said: NOT those who call me Lord will enter heaven but those who DO THE WILL of my Father. And you sure won't be doing the will of the Father if you kill yourself.

Romans 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own Master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.



The prophet Elijah felt suicidal and Jonah and Job and Jesus comforted and healed them.Jesus understood their pain and did not condemn them for feeling this way.

MAT 7:21 * "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.


28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent

And also, this life is not in vain. God is using this life to prepare you for the next one. And if you didn't get through the "full training" "preparation" whatever it maybe, and you end it prematurely, you won't be ready to enter and therefore you won't be able to enter.

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Mathew 11

28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


God knows and cares intimately for us and invites us to come for healing and rest.Jesus makes all things new.
Jesus gives strength to the weak and restyores our soul.Jesus is our Good Shepherd who leads us to still waters and restores our soul.Jesus is the wonderful Counsellor and the Great physician and nothing is impossible for Jesus who heals the broken hearted and gives us hope and peace and joy.

When we are to broken and hurting and confused and hopeless and weak to want to live for our self or even our loved ones, it is time to live for God and trust in Jesus for strength and liberty and hope and healing.

The we become a living sacrifice, and watch what our loving and compassionate Saviour and God will do.

1. Matthew 9:36
   But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.
   Matthew 9:35-37 (in Context) Matthew 9 (Whole Chapter)
2. Matthew 14:14
   And Jesus went forth, and saw a great multitude, and was moved with compassion toward them, and he healed their sick.
   Matthew 14:13-15 (in Context) Matthew 14 (Whole Chapter)
3. Matthew 18:27
   Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
   Matthew 18:26-28 (in Context) Matthew 18 (Whole Chapter)
4. Mark 1:41
   And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean.
   Mark 1:40-42 (in Context) Mark 1 (Whole Chapter)
5. Mark 6:34
   And Jesus, when he came out, saw much people, and was moved with compassion toward them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things.

 

[Bain_Adaneth]

Nonsense!

All Christians, sadly, continue to sin after becoming Christians. Paul wrote about this struggle at length. Having "genuine" faith does not exempt any of us from this.

Nonsense! The bible states that all have sinned, but also that those who are saved does not continue to live a life of sin:

1 John 3:9 (NKJV)

9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.


1 John 5:16 Talks about not praying for those who commit the sin that leads to death.


16If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.

 

[Bain_Adaneth]

God is always forgiving and merciful...

People have to see that. Consider Jonah and Nineveh. Nineveh was a pagan city of sin, and even though Jonah was clearly a highly talented believer... who saw what many prophets could not see... he did not have the heart to want to save them. God pointed out to everybody at the end of that book that God wants to save everyone and regards everyone.

God made everyone... every single person. Jesus on the cross said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".

People maybe are intrinsically evil, but on the other hand they do do the best they can with the information they have.

If that is not understood... how can we treat sinners compassionately?

God made them and gave some less true knowledge and some more. There is no boasting and no accusing. We can accuse on lack of faith -- only if we know that is useful to leading people to more faith.

Paul pointed out the Pharisees have "zeal apart from knowledge"... the very same Pharisees who put to death many Christians and led the murder of Jesus. Zeal for God. Not knowledge, not the right knowledge.

Elsewhere it is pointed out that "the world did not recognize Jesus" and nobody would have put Him to death if they knew who He was. That is not just from the perspective of Jesus being God in the flesh, but from the perspective that Jesus is the answer to all of their greatest hopes and dreams -- and genuinely seeks to lead them to that.

Uhmmmm....God will NOT forgive you. God says that men are without excuse:

Romans 1:16-32


16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[a] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”[b]

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

 

[Bain_Adaneth]

Mercy trumps judgment.

Everytime.

The Law is fulfilled in love.


Jesus put himself in dangerous situations often. We have a few recorded, such as when he spoke boldly to the crowd and Nazareth and they attempted to throw him off a cliff. Or, when he slept in the storm -- he rebuked the storm, then the apostles.

Jesus was rebuking Satan there because Satan was testing him to see if He really was the Son of God. Satan was doubting and so putting Jesus to the test.

Mercy triumphs over judgment...but that does not mean that God will show mercy to everyone...because in the same verse, God say that judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful (James 2:13). There will certainly be those who will be without mercy.

Love is above everything else:

1 Corinthians 13: 8 States that love never fails.

1 John 4:8 States that he who does not love, does not know God, for God is love.

1 John 5:2 states :
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.

Therefore if are saved you will love God, know Him and keep His commandments.

1 John 3:15 says: Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.

And God commands that we shall not kill (exodus 20:13,)and also in the new testament.

To murder is to kill...so if you kill yourself, that too is a sin, that leads to death. And you cannot repent of it, because you are dead.

So people who commit suicide do not know God.

 

[bliz]

Nonsense! The bible states that all have sinned, but also that those who are saved does not continue to live a life of sin:

Are you claiming that you do not sin?

 

[Bain_Adaneth]

Jesus was rebuking Satan there because Satan was testing him to see if He really was the Son of God. Satan was doubting and so putting Jesus to the test.

Satan was not testing Him to see if He was the Son of God. And Satan was not doubting. Matthew 4:1 states that He was there to be tempted by Satan. How could Satan not know that Jesus was God when he stood before God in ancient times (Job 1:6), and Jesus was there in the beginning, even before the world was created (John 1:1)? How could he not know God?

Even Satan's demons, who are lower than him know who Jesus was in when they said:

Mark 5:7 (New King James Version)

7 And he cried out with a loud voice and said, “What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God that You do not torment me.”

Matthew 8:29 (New King James Version)

29 And suddenly they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”

Mark 3:11 (New King James Version)

11 And the unclean spirits, whenever they saw Him, fell down before Him and cried out, saying, “You are the Son of God.”


Luke 4:41 (New King James Version)

41 And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Christ,[a] the Son of God!”
And He, rebuking them, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ.


Satan knew the whole plan from the beginning. From the seeking of Jesus when He was in the manger, to the death on the cross, Satan knew what was going on. Satan even influenced Peter in Matthew 16:22

Matthew 16:22 (New King James Version)

22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

And the Lord said to Him:

23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

 

[Bain_Adaneth]

Are you claiming that you do not sin?

Go back and reread the post:

Nonsense! The bible states that all have sinned, but also that those who are saved does not continue to live a life of sin:
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[annrobert]

Anyone who is not long suffering, gentle , kind, compassionate , merciful, patient, loving, etc. and also going and and ministering to the broken hearted and wounded like the good samaritan and anyone who is not bringing the lame and maimed and halt and poor into their houses for suppers instead of their friends and relatives who can pay them back and feeding the poor and clothing the needy etc, is disobeying Jesus teachings,as well as not bearing fruit.
We must be merciful as our Father in heaven is,
we must forgive from our heart,
we must not just another's servant, as their Master will make them stand.
We must be moved with compassion and actively love.
Anything we do or do not do to the least of these we did it not for Jesus.
We must bear the fruit of the Spirit.Which is love and patience and kindness etc. not neccesarily laughing.
Two people went into the temple to pray and one prayed thus
God I thankyou that I do not do this sin and that sin and I tithe and I thankyou I am am not like that sinner there.
The sinner went in to pray God have mercy on me a sinner.
The sinner was forgiven and not the self righteous one.
Love is described in corinthians chapter 13.
Christians must have love.
Love is not puffed up
love esteems others above them self.
Love is not harsh and judgemental.
Love is not arrogant and proud.
Love hopes all things believes all things and love never fails.
God is love.
Jesus continually moved with compassion and healed the sick and forgive sins and set free and delivered and healed the broken hearted and set at liberty those who were bruised.
Jesus tells us to forgive over and over again.
Jesus says if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Jesus says if we ask for any good thing in His Name He will give it to us.
Healing and forgiveness are good things.
Jesus is our Good SHepherd who leads us to still waters and restores our soul.
If Jesus tells us to be merciful and compassionate and to keep on forgiving and tells us to be like Him, then that is how Jesus is as evidenced by His ministry on earth and dying for our sins.
The bible says if everything Jesus did was recorded in books , the world could not contain the books.
So Jesus ministered and healed and set free and forgave way way way way more than we can even imagine.
Jesus heals the broken hearted and sets at liberty those who are bruised and will never cast out anyone who comes to Him.
Jesus is Truth.

 

[freeport]

Uhmmmm....God will NOT forgive you. God says that men are without excuse:

...

People are judged by their own standards. Those who expect an unforgiving God typically have debts they have held against others.

God collects those debts, you are correct. Until they are forced to give them up.

That is often a very ugly picture.

 

[annrobert]

I do not think a person who stumbles or possibly is depressed or has suicidal feelings is living a life of sin.
I think they need love and support from people and care und understanding and encouragement.They need to understand that Jesus invites them for rest and healing,that Jesus saves to the uttermost and will never fail them and that Jesus is the Wonderful Counsellor and the Prince of Peace and the Everlasting Father and will never leave them or forsake them and that none will snatch them from His hand and Jesus is greater than all and nothing is impossible for Jesus who is Love and love never fails.Jesus is meek and lowly in heart and moved with compassion.Jesus has all power in heaven and earth.Nothing will seperate us from His love.We are not our own , we are bought with a price, and Jesus knows how to protect His sheep.We just have to come to Jesus ,just as we are and Jesus will heal us and change us and make us bear fruit as we abide in Jesus through bible reading and prayer.We just call on Jesus for good gifts and He will give us good gifts.

 

[Eliezer]

My main question is: As a true Christian, if you commit suicide, are you given a one-way ticket to hell?

I've done quite a bit of online researching here and there. I've also asked my pastors at my church for their point of view. Of course, they all said "YOU GO TO HELL!" Based on basic knowledge of the scripture and the simple research I've done, I believe that if I were to kill myself at this moment, I would go into heaven. Committing suicide is an act of selfishness. Selfishness is a sin. A sin can be forgiven.

Please share some of your answers to this extremely controversial question. I really am curious, too curious for my own good.

Some would say Jesus committed suicide.


Depends on how in tune with God the Father one thinks Jesus really is...


So, the whole suicide issue is very sensitive with me.


I think most people don't believe... "in the Beginning the Word WAS God"...

 

[yanieh]

Committing suicide is an act of selfishness. Selfishness is a sin. A sin can be forgiven.

hi brother.

i would like to ask you back. we repent for a sin after we've done it. now how would you repent for a sin when you're already dead?

why would you commit suicide? because you feel like doing it and speed up your vehicle to heaven? God has a plan for our life. there is a purpose that we must serve. we have no right to cut the thread. God will take your life in His time and bring you to heaven. death is something that you cannot decide for yourself. trust in the Lord and live by His will. it is by faith that we can be saved.