Strippers...What are your thoughts??

[Antoninus Verus]

This is they naive PC view of 'Everythings ok people, nothing to see here, just move along!'. Its not so in the real world, thats the garbage the people behind the strippers tell them to think.

Having spent a good part of my life with a stripper as a friend and hanging out with her work friends, I can tell you that that is a load of BS big enough to fertalize Death Valley.

How do i know? I've spent some time in the lifestyle surrounding the buisness.

Penthouse dont count

The whole 'they can get out when ever they want' is a lie, the whole buisness is setup against that very thing.

Theres a difference between white slavery and stripping. Tess made good money, to make that kind of money in annother job, she would have had to go to YEARS of schooling. She made, on average, $200 a night on weeknights and $500 on weekends all before tips which usually ironed out to about $100-$200 every three or four days. Name me any other job where you can make that kind of money with only a GED.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

The OP doesnt say "Who knows a stripper, let us know?", does it?

Well, perhaps if you didn't make false, unsupported statements, people wouldn't have to set you straight.

 

[ninabina]

"If you can't separate fantasy from reality, then you don't really belong in an adult relationship."


Are the strippers "fantasy" or are they flesh and blood human beings? And are you saying that as a 33 year old woman who doesn't feel comfortable with the whole sex trade that I shouldn't have, or don't belong, in a romantic relationship with a member of the opposite sex? Rather, what would be appropriate then a non-adult relationship?

 

[ninabina]

Sounds like YOU are the one making up statements. I've known quite a few strippers, and several prostitutes. They are all free to get out whenever they like. Several of them have, for one reason or another. Others remained due to the excellent money they make.

Yes, and isn't it lovely that some people will do anything for the almighty dollar?

In an ideal world, there would be moral absolutes. As it stands, I listen to that little "voice" called the holy Spirit in directing me towards what is moral and what isn't. In an area with no scientific rights or wrongs it boils down to feelings, opinion and convictions. The Lord would not steer me wrong in those basic convictions either, I don't care how much "money" is invloved or how greatly it would appeal to my baser instincts such as lust. I live for the world after this one, because frankly, this one is quite lacking.


Someone said:
"they enjoyed the money and the ego boost."

Ego boost? Oh yeah, I'm sure that having strange men lust after your body night after night is a great boost to the ego. If you're a shallow or misguided person perhaps.

 

[ninabina]

"I had a fling with a "pimp" (that's what I call him anyways ^^ a few years back; he is really charismatic, and sexually insatiable... I used to tease him about getting on with all the hot women he works with, but he swears it's a really bad idea to get involved with them, even a playful slap on the bum is off limit. He just instructs, plan effective ways to work the girls during the paid hour, that's all."





And this means what??? It's okay to get involved with a "pimp" as long as he doesn't playfully slap his prostitutes on the bum? Okay. Hmmm, funny how a pimp used to be considered the lower dregs of society and now he's pretty much admired, thanks to the popularity of rap music, which is another subject entirely.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

Are the strippers "fantasy"

Yes, that is what they are there for. To provide material for people's fantasies.

Yes, and isn't it lovely that some people will do anything for the almighty dollar?

Well sorry but you cant eat love and it sure as frak wont pay the bills

Ego boost? Oh yeah, I'm sure that having strange men lust after your body night after night is a great boost to the ego. If you're a shallow or misguided person perhaps.

Since I would be willing to bet your time on stage equals zero, I would ask you to respectfully restrain from these kinds of comments. Tess was the head dancer in every club she worked at and she was nither shallow nor misguided

Hmmm, funny how a pimp used to be considered the lower dregs of society and now he's pretty much admired, thanks to the popularity of rap music, which is another subject entirely.

Are you sure little green men didnt have something to do with it?

 

[TerabyTe]

Hey, some girls do it because they like it. If that's what they're into, why look down on them? It's their choice.

 

[At Peace Without God]

Yeah I just meant what does everyone think of going to see a stripper?? I know it would crush me if my boyfriend ever went to see one.

I would be more worried if my gf dropped litter on the street.

 

[HazyRigby]

"If you can't separate fantasy from reality, then you don't really belong in an adult relationship."


Are the strippers "fantasy" or are they flesh and blood human beings?

They're fantasy women. How many people do you know who would go home with a complete stranger? Or a customer, no less? If you trust your boyfriend/husband, it shouldn't be a problem.

And are you saying that as a 33 year old woman who doesn't feel comfortable with the whole sex trade that I shouldn't have, or don't belong, in a romantic relationship with a member of the opposite sex? Rather, what would be appropriate then a non-adult relationship?

No, I'm not saying that at all. You should do what you're comfortable with. But I would say that you can't accept certain facts of life (one being that women are beautiful creatures, and men enjoy looking at them), then you're in for a lot of trouble and heartache.

 

[Rae]

Anyways, my question is how do you all feel about family members/bf/gf's seeing strippers?

--Fine with me, unless they're doing so in order to ignore their current partner(s). Then again, I'd object to anything that got in the way of them having a good relationship with their partner(s), including obsessive church attendance or volunteer work.

How many advocates here would want their daughter to enter this profession?

--If she was an adult, researched it thoroughly, and would be safe, I'd say it was her decision to make and love her anyway.

they are employees now to the job they chose, and not making bad money, either. It may be damaging to their self esteem,

--Most customer service jobs are at least as damaging to your self esteem. I get shouted at a lot when I work in my call center. At least strippers don't have people threatening them in the audience with law suits and swearing at them because their job definition doesn't include what the person wants.

 

[Rae]

Are the strippers "fantasy"

Yes, just as much as movie actors and television stars are. Are you jealous of your partner when s/he says s/he thinks a movie actor like Hugh Jackman or Kirsten Dunst is cute? Then why be jealous because s/he likes to see naked people? As long as s/he is coming home to you at the end, you're the priority in that relationship.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

Yes, and isn't it lovely that some people will do anything for the almighty dollar?

Yup, it's called working for a living, and unless you're one of the VERY few who really likes their job, they're just the same as you and I...doing something for pay that they wouldn't do for free. Something that they'd probably not do if they had an infinite supply of money.

In an ideal world, there would be moral absolutes. As it stands, I listen to that little "voice" called the holy Spirit in directing me towards what is moral and what isn't.

The little voice that you choose to believe is the holy Spirit.

In an area with no scientific rights or wrongs it boils down to feelings, opinion and convictions.

And since it's just "feelings, opinions and convictions", you have no right to make moral judgements on others.

The Lord would not steer me wrong in those basic convictions either,

You mean what you THINK is the lord, and what you THINK you'veinterpreted correctly is correct. And it may be. But frankly, what you THINK isn't a valid guide for everyone else.

I don't care how much "money" is invloved or how greatly it would appeal to my baser instincts such as lust.

Goodfor you. Then don't go to a strip club.

I live for the world after this one, because frankly, this one is quite lacking.

What a sad statement for a person to make. I find this world full of wonder and splendour. I guess you find what you look for.

Ego boost? Oh yeah, I'm sure that having strange men lust after your body night after night is a great boost to the ego. If you're a shallow or misguided person perhaps.

And now we go on to make not only moral, but psychological judgements on people you don't even know. Somehow I can't imagine Jesus doing the same. He didn't even judge harlots and so forth he knew...I can't imagine him judging them without even knowing them on the basis but nothing but his own prejudices.

 

[ninabina]

Yes, just as much as movie actors and television stars are. Are you jealous of your partner when s/he says s/he thinks a movie actor like Hugh Jackman or Kirsten Dunst is cute? Then why be jealous because s/he likes to see naked people? As long as s/he is coming home to you at the end, you're the priority in that relationship.

I see it as different. He thinks Sandra Bullock is cute and I like Russell Crowe (Shush, to each his own ) and that is just fine and dandy. Matter of fact, I can "fantasize" about him all I want because I've never been intimate with him nor have I seen him naked. Had I seen him naked I would be ashamed because I'm one of those rare ones I guess, that believes certain parts of our anatomy (the so called "private" parts) should be shared only with one's spouse in that manner. I know I am not going to change anyone's mind re this subject and they won't mine, this is just an interesting discussion/debate and I'm glad that so far it has been discussed respectfully. If I have offended anyone in how I've expressed my opinion I apologize. When I use terms such as misguided, etc. I am speaking in general and there are always exceptions.

 

[philadiddle]

Lustful thoughts are a sin. What are ppl thinking when they see strippers? I'm sure i don't have to type it all out for you to see where i'm going with this.

As a human being, seeing strippers is exiting. But so are other things that aren't good for you. My wife even told me she doesn't care if i went to the strip club with some buddies from work, but i still don't want to go.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Lustful thoughts are a sin.

Why, though? What a guilt trip for something we don't really have control over!

Of course, we can choose to go to strip clubs or not, but it seems to me it is lustful actions expressed in meaningless sex that could properly be condemned as immoral, since they are at least acts, not merely thoughts. The idea of thoughtcrimes is Orwellian.

 

[Archivist]

We had a student a couple years ago who paid her way through school by working as a stripper. She made enough money after paying her tuition and room and board that she was able to buy herself a new car. Some in this thread have remarked on how strippers are "exploited." She would have disagreed with that statement.

I personally think she was far less exploited than some of the students we have graduating who are up to their necks in student loan debt.

 

[Archivist]

As a human being, seeing strippers is exiting.

"Exiting???"

Does this mean you only look as you are leaving the strip club?

 

[John812]

Matthew 6:27-28

You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery'. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already commited adultery with her in his heart.


I would imagine that the vast majority (quite possibly all) of patrons at a strip club look at strippers lustfully. Christian women and men should not be supporting their lust by being strippers.


God Bless!

 

[Rae]

Christian women should not be supporting their lust by being strippers.

Shh...there are numerous non-Christians in this thread! And we don't think that "sin" exists anywhere but in your mind!

 

[Taake]

"Exiting???"

Does this mean you only look as you are leaving the strip club?

I don't think he means that, maybe he was talking about looking at the "exit" of the strippers...