Stop Normalizing Trump

[childeye 2]

It is patriotic duty to hold candidates and office holders accountable for everything they say and do. That goes for both sides.

Words are important, particularly when what a candidate says they are going to do is based on misinformation or disinformation. Jesus said we are judged by the words that proceed out of the mouth, because our words reveal what is in our hearts.

But with Trump it becomes overwhelming because he tries to define truth and reality. he either has to be completely ignored or chronically confronted. It gets tiring. I think most rational people are fatigued by him.

Mental health experts describe the behavior as recreating reality to confirm their narcissistic view of themselves. We're witnessing masses of people conforming to Trump's recreated reality when they believe him over the mountain of facts and witnesses about the 2020 election that Trump claimed he won by a landslide. People were beaten and traumatized and sent to prison and even killed to support Trump's fantasy.

FWIW, it is a profound thought I have underscored above. Are we culpable in God's eyes for not confronting a lie when we know the truth? I can recall a similar sentiment that evil prospers when good people stand by and do nothing. With Trump it does get tiring. Almost everything he says is inaccurate.

 

[rambot]

I wouldn't say normal.

Is cheating on ones wife with an adult film star and then being rich enough to pay hush money "normal"?

Fake elector schemes are, again, not normal.

However, what I mentioned still stands, that seems less abnormal to a lot people than some of the stuff being pushed for by the left.

I'd argue the list is much longer than that.

 

[childeye 2]

Why did you add the word "literally"?

It's applied in the informal sense of the word, because it's not meant to be taken literally. Hence, he is joking about literally shooting someone. He's not saying it's funny to shoot someone, he's saying it's funny that people would be so loyal that he could shoot someone in a literal sense, and they would still vote for him.

1. • informal
     used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true:
     "I was literally blown away by the response I got"

 

[Chesterton]

Trump is the one who said his people are so loyal, he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and not lose a vote. That's the source.

To be clear, I realize it's an analogy expressing a sentiment that his people are so loyal Trump would not lose their vote even if he did bad things. It's hard to tell the difference between a personality and a persona, but he said it, and it looked to me like he believed it when he said it. I've seen no evidence to the contrary.

So no source, just a belief on your part.

You'll need to play these from the beginning to see what I saw:

You said you'd seen "lots". Two of those videos say nothing, and the other has one instance of a guy saying he'd vote for Trump no matter what, and then laughing after he says it.

 

[childeye 2]

So no source, just a belief on your part.

Like I said the source was Trump. That's my source. So yeah, I saw Trump say what he believes, and I believe he believes what he said. But if you don't believe he believes what he said, I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning.

You said you'd seen "lots". Two of those videos say nothing, and the other has one instance of a guy saying he'd vote for Trump no matter what, and then laughing after he says it.

Did you play the videos from the beginning? Perhaps you're misunderstanding my meaning, just as you seem to think Trump's not my source. All three videos show people saying exactly what I meant when I said that essentially Trump could do no wrong in their eyes. Two of those people on the videos actually admitted that he could shoot someone, and they would still vote for him, just like Trump said.

If you sincerely want to see many people as I have, there are plenty of videos of testimonies of former Trump supporters on You tube. Or you can simply Just look up how many people still believe the election was stolen by radical Democrats and the media while ignoring or dismissing all of the evidence and witness testimony to the contrary. That's about one third of voters, the last time I checked.

 

[Aldebaran]

Trump is running for president. When Trump asserts that he probably knows more than probably just about anybody about probably anything, and that he alone can fix the problems in the world, we're either going to believe him or not believe him. So, we're going to end up having to decide whether he's speaking forthrightly or exhibiting an abnormal arrogance. It's illogical to find fault in people for having to decide which way they're going to believe.

There are 2 choices for president, and Trump is the only one that can do what needs doing. The other one simply can't/wont.

Yeah, people shouldn't judge people negatively when they don't even know them. So, saying migrants are poisoning the blood of America is clearly based on a negative prejudice. I hope you know that was the same Nazi propaganda used against the Jews.

Group Hatred in Nazi Germany: 80 Years Later

As we are approaching the 80-year mark since Germany invaded Poland in 1939, which was the start of World War II and the Holocaust, we are still asking why.

www.psychologytoday.com

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Whataboutism.

 

[childeye 2]

There are 2 choices for president, and Trump is the only one that can do what needs doing. The other one simply can't/wont.

Trump is the only candidate ever who felt that overturning the votes of the people is what needed doing.

 

[Aldebaran]

Trump is the only candidate ever who felt that overturning the votes of the people is what needed doing. Kamala simply won't.

Now you know what Trump feels?
Sounds like you're just slandering him again with negative prejudice.

 

[Chesterton]

Did you play the videos from the beginning? All three videos show people saying exactly what I meant when I said that essentially Trump could do no wrong in their eyes.

Yes I did, and no they don't.

Trump is the only candidate ever who felt that overturning the votes of the people is what needed doing. Kamala simply won't.

Since I did you the courtesy of watching three whole videos, I hope you can watch just 3+ minutes of the video in post 35, for a reminder of all the times Democrats tried to overturn an election.

 

[childeye 2]

Yes I did, and no they don't.

They all say exactly what I meant, and you don't get to say what I meant because you're not me.

Since I did you the courtesy of watching three whole videos, I hope you can watch just 3+ minutes of the video in post 35, for a reminder of all the times Democrats tried to overturn an election.

I already saw the video. I even said I would love to debate those guys or anyone who agrees with them.

 

[childeye 2]

Now you know what Trump feels?

Yes, Pence said Trump wanted him to reject the votes, and Trump said he wanted Pence to "do the right thing". Trump obviously felt it was the right thing to do and Pence obviously felt it was the wrong thing to do.

Sounds like you're just slandering him again with negative prejudice.

Prejudice means to pre-judge without adequate facts. Those statements by Pence and Trump are documented facts. I'm simply restating their expressed sentiments.

 

[Chesterton]

I already saw the video. I even said I would love to debate those guys or anyone who agrees with them.

I forgot that was you. Well then why'd you say Trump's the only one? I assume you weren't lying, just maybe a little forgetful.

 

[childeye 2]

I forgot that was you. Well then why'd you say Trump's the only one? I assume you weren't lying, just maybe a little forgetful.

Trump's the only one who got members of his own party to create slates of fake electors and tried to get his Vice President to reject the real votes of the real electors so he could remain president.

I've also seen a propaganda video of snippets of Hillary and Stacey Abrams both claiming that their elections were stolen. It's designed to imply there is an equivalence to what Trump did, as if all that Trump did was claim the election was stolen just like so many politicians have also claimed before him.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes, Pence said Trump wanted him to reject the votes, and Trump said he wanted Pence to "do the right thing". Trump obviously felt it was the right thing to do and pence obviously felt it was the wrong thing to do.

You're simply repeating misinformation. Read this:
"WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump’s defense attorney says the former president never asked Mike Pence to overturn the will of the voters in the 2020 election, but only wanted the former vice president to “pause” the certification of votes to allow states to investigate his claims of election fraud."

Pence, Trump lawyer clash over what Trump told his vice president ahead of Jan. 6

Donald Trump's defense attorney says the former president never asked Mike Pence to overturn the will of the voters in the 2020 election. Pence rejected that account Sunday, saying that on Jan. 5, Trump's attorneys told him, "We want you to reject votes outright."

www.pbs.org

Prejudice means to pre-judge without adequate facts. Those statements by Pence and Trump are documented facts. I'm simply restating their expressed sentiments.

You're simply repeating leftist propaganda.

 

[Aldebaran]

Trump's the only one who got members of his own party to create slates of fake electors and try to get his Vice President to reject the real electors so he could remain president.

I've also seen a propaganda video of snippets of Hillary and Stacey Abrams both claiming that their elections were stolen. It's designed to imply there is an equivalence to what Trump did, as if all that Trump did was claim the election was stolen just like so many politicians have also claimed in the past.

What you're doing now is making excuses for when people on the Left do the same thing as what those on the Right are accused of. When Hillary and Stacy claim the election was stolen from them and that the winner didn't legitimately win, they're denying the election results. But you make excuses for those you agree with while slandering Trump.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

You're simply repeating misinformation. Read this:
"WASHINGTON (AP) — Donald Trump’s defense attorney says the former president never asked Mike Pence to overturn the will of the voters in the 2020 election, but only wanted the former vice president to “pause” the certification of votes to allow states to investigate his claims of election fraud."

Pence, Trump lawyer clash over what Trump told his vice president ahead of Jan. 6

Donald Trump's defense attorney says the former president never asked Mike Pence to overturn the will of the voters in the 2020 election. Pence rejected that account Sunday, saying that on Jan. 5, Trump's attorneys told him, "We want you to reject votes outright."

www.pbs.org

You're simply repeating leftist propaganda.

I think you are misinformed by Trump propaganda.

"On Fox News the following night, Aug. 2, former Vice President Mike Pence called that claim “completely false.” Pence said Trump and his “gaggle of crackpot lawyers” asked him “to literally reject votes.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/what-trump-asked-of-pence/

“I think it’s important that the American people know what happened in the days before January 6,” Pence said. “President Trump demanded that I use my authority as vice president presiding over the count of the Electoral College to essentially overturn the election by returning or literally rejecting votes. I had no authority to do that.”

Is this enough for you?

 

[Aldebaran]

I think you are misinformed by Trump propaganda.

"On Fox News the following night, Aug. 2, former Vice President Mike Pence called that claim “completely false.” Pence said Trump and his “gaggle of crackpot lawyers” asked him “to literally reject votes.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/08/what-trump-asked-of-pence/

“I think it’s important that the American people know what happened in the days before January 6,” Pence said. “President Trump demanded that I use my authority as vice president presiding over the count of the Electoral College to essentially overturn the election by returning or literally rejecting votes. I had no authority to do that.”

Is this enough for you?

It's only enough to let me know that you believe Pence instead of Trump, and that you believe what Factcheck.org says (as it is a left-leaning source) https://www.allsides.com/news-source/factcheckorg-media-bias

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

It's only enough to let me know that you believe Pence instead of Trump, and that you believe what Factcheck.org says (as it is a left-leaning source) https://www.allsides.com/news-source/factcheckorg-media-bias

Yes, I believe Pence over Trump any day. Listen to the clip from Fox. Only a fool would believe Trump.

 

[Chesterton]

Trump's the only one who got members of his own party to create slates of fake electors and tried to get his Vice President to reject the real votes of the real electors so he could remain president.

That's exactly what Democrats did after the elections of 2000, 2004 and 2016.

 

[childeye 2]

What you're doing now is making excuses for when people on the Left do the same thing as what those on the Right are accused of. When Hillary and Stacy claim the election was stolen from them and that the winner didn't legitimately win, they're denying the election results. But you make excuses for those you agree with while slandering Trump.

I don't deny Hillary or Stacey believed they would have won if it had not been for the Russian interference, or James Comey, and in Stacy Abrams' case, voter suppression. So that's a strawman argument.

But they didn't create slates of false electors and try to get their vice president to reject the votes. And concerning that, I'm just repeating what Trump said at the ellipse and what Pence said in public.