Stop Normalizing Trump

[childeye 2]

Yeah. I NEVER take "I was just joking" as a rational. I have watched awful people do awful things and think they can say "they were joking" an hour later and think I am swayed. Even less so if after they provide evidence for their insult. We had this one fellow had the gall to called a rape victim a harlot. And then, go on to list and provide evidence for the ways she's a harlot.

He came back the next day saying he was joking. Logic would dictate that him explaining the joke would have explained why it would be funny to call her a harlot. Him giving reasons that it was his claim is true shows a rational person that he's not joking.

In his "I was just joking" CNN video he states "I was laughing. They were laughing we were all having good time".

But he was NOT laughing in the recordings (Frankly, he was ADAMANT and quite serious about his claim through this portion of his speech)...nor was his comment out of context, nor did he give any other signs nonverbal OR verbal that he was joking. And frankly, when I listen to the audience "laughter", it doesn't sound completely comfortable to me.

To be clear, I'm not arguing he WOULD shoot someone. Just that if he DID shoot someone, he believed he would not lose support.

Exactly, the shooting someone part was an analogy about how loyal his people are. But I believe that he believes his people are so loyal that he can do no wrong in their eyes.

 

[childeye 2]

Aldebaran gave a response to this in post 97, and I agree with him. I really can't imagine how anyone could think that was serious.

He was using an analogy about how he could shoot someone and not lose a vote, and that is what he is he calling a joke. But he was serious about the topic, so I think people are talking past one another here. Trump believes his people are so loyal, he essentially can do no wrong in their eyes. I've seen many MAGA supporters say the same thing.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Seems less abnormal? He is normal and they are abnormal

I wouldn't say normal.

Is cheating on ones wife with an adult film star and then being rich enough to pay hush money "normal"?

Fake elector schemes are, again, not normal.

However, what I mentioned still stands, that seems less abnormal to a lot people than some of the stuff being pushed for by the left.

 

[Chesterton]

Trump believes his people are so loyal, he essentially can do no wrong in their eyes.

Source? (I will not accept a mind-reading psychic as a source.)

I've seen many MAGA supporters say the same thing.

Do you have some links?

 

[ralliann]

I wouldn't say normal.

Is cheating on ones wife with an adult film star and then being rich enough to pay hush money "normal"?

No politician cheats on his wife?

Fake elector schemes are, again, not normal.

From what I understand they were ready IF he found fraud. The dems would have used any rule no matter how absurd to stop him. So all was ready to go.

However, what I mentioned still stands, that seems less abnormal to a lot people than some of the stuff being pushed for by the left.

Well yes, all the transgender non sense etc. And still is.

 

[Aldebaran]

We have to parse the semantics. He's saying he's joking about literally shooting someone and I'm pretty sure everyone got the analogy and some laughed because it's a funny analogy. But he is definitively saying that he's serious about people remaining loyal to him no matter what he does.

Why did you add the word "literally"?

 

[Aldebaran]

Exactly, the shooting someone part was an analogy about how loyal his people are. But I believe that he believes his people are so loyal that he can do no wrong in their eyes.

Whatever he believes, the people who vote for him has seen how the other party's candidates are, and see no reason to switch sides. It will take more than a joke or a fleeting comment from Trump to make his voters vote for a candidate who is a more radical version of the guy who presided over the country as prices of everything we depend on have skyrocketed.

 

[childeye 2]

Source? (I will not accept a mind-reading psychic as a source.)

Trump is the one who said his people are so loyal, he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and not lose a vote. That's the source.

To be clear, I realize it's an analogy expressing a sentiment that his people are so loyal Trump would not lose their vote even if he did bad things. It's hard to tell the difference between a personality and a persona, but he said it, and it looked to me like he believed it when he said it. I've seen no evidence to the contrary.

Do you have some links?

You'll need to play these from the beginning to see what I saw:

 

[Aldebaran]

Trump is the one who said his people are so loyal, he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and not lose a vote. That's the source.

To be clear, I realize it's an analogy expressing a sentiment that his people are so loyal that to him, that Trump would not lose their vote even if he did bad things. It's hard to tell the difference between a personality and a persona, but he said it, and it looked to me like he believed it when he said it. I've seen no evidence to the contrary.

Yep, he said it--all the way back in 2016.
But seriously, have people tired of screaming about "January 6th" to the point that they have to go even further back and obsess about a single sentence he uttered back in 2016 before he even became president the first time? He said it, and he got elected, and he served out his entire first term. He didn't shoot anyone, so get over it.
If people can get over people literally shooting at him and trying to kill him, they should be able to get over this as well.

 

[comana]

Yep, he said it--all the way back in 2016.
But seriously, have people tired of screaming about "January 6th" to the point that they have to go even further back and obsess about a single sentence he uttered back in 2016 before he even became president the first time? He said it, and he got elected, and he served out his entire first term. He didn't shoot anyone, so get over it.
If people can get over people literally shooting at him and trying to kill him, they should be able to get over this as well.

Trump stating it as an example of his voter base’s devotion is a textbook description of narcissistic behavior.

 

[Aldebaran]

Trump stating it as an example of his voter base’s devotion is a textbook description of narcissistic behavior.

Or more of an admiration of the loyalty of his voters.
But it's looking more like his haters are tired of calling him racist, so now they yell "narcissist" whenever they can. "Jan. 6th" got too old.
I'm anxious to see him back in the White House so his haters will melt down and show their real selves.

 

[comana]

Or more of an admiration of the loyalty of his voters.
But it's looking more like his haters are tired of calling him racist, so now they yell "narcissist" whenever they can. "Jan. 6th" got too old.
I'm anxious to see him back in the White House so his haters will melt down and show their real selves.

Perhaps you are fortunate not to fall for the manipulation of any narcissist besides Trump. Malignant narcissism is not your basic arrogance.

 

[Aldebaran]

Perhaps you are fortunate not to fall for the manipulation of any narcissist besides Trump. Malignant narcissism is not your basic arrogance.

Trump 2024, and forever more! WOOOO HOOOOO!!!

 

[comana]

Trump 2024, and forever more! WOOOO HOOOOO!!!

You do you.

 

[Aldebaran]

You do you.

I always do. It's called being authentic.

 

[childeye 2]

Yep, he said it--all the way back in 2016.

Yes, that is true.

But seriously, have people tired of screaming about "January 6th" to the point that they have to go even further back and obsess about a single sentence he uttered back in 2016 before he even became president the first time?

I can't speak for all people, but I'm still here talking about how Trump attempted to cheat and try to find some way to overturn the election results because he won't publicly or even personally accept that he lost. I believe it's possible that in his mind he recreated reality to avoid the feeling of being a loser, hence Trump claimed that the election was stolen from him, and his "smart" people in their loyal devotion, believed upon him against all the overwhelming evidence and all other witnesses testifying to the contrary.

So why bring up the loyalty of his people now? Because they are interrelated. Please note that a Malignant Narcissist shows traits or symptoms, which necessarily means there are predictable forms of behavior that a narcissist exhibits.

3. Manipulativeness: I'm good at making people do what I want them to do

Trump confidently expressing that "his" people are "smart" is fundamental psychological manipulation. It's not reasonable that he knows how smart his people are if he hasn't met and talked to them. The sentiment is fundamentally meant to assert without evidence that anyone who is not pro Trump is not smart.

Trump then quickly moves from the word "smart" to the word "loyal" as if these are somehow tied to one another. His assertion that the polls show that his followers are so incredibly loyal he could shoot someone and not lose a vote, is another blank assertion. Trump then asserts that all the other candidates are soft which suggests to the mind that he is not soft, but rather hardened, tough, or strong, and he infers that this is why his people are loyal to him.

Having said that, it's hard to tell a personality from a persona, and that is why I asked if you think he actually believes what he is saying. Because one trait of Malignant narcissism is manipulation. Trump manipulated people into believing the election was stolen, which ended in so many people going to prison or being injured, traumatized and even killed. It's predictable that bad things will happen when a Malignant narcissist is in charge of the levers of government.

But his people blindly follow him and count him the persecuted victim and blame the "deep state" or "the swamp". It's all tied together.

He said it, and he got elected, and he served out his entire first term. He didn't shoot anyone, so get over it.

How many times do I have to say I never believed he was going to shoot anyone? I've said that from the start. You're obviously still reasoning upon that same falsehood which leads you to err in believing I need to get over that he didn't shoot someone.

If people can get over people literally shooting at him and trying to kill him, they should be able to get over this as well.

Those are two completely different things. One is reality, and one is Trump's analogy. Your words are speaking from a place that is imagining people believe Trump said he would shoot someone.

 

[FireDragon76]

You have to be a mind reader to know his motivations if you believe those are his motivations.

Not really, I just have to know how pathological narcissists are motivated.

 

[Aldebaran]

Not really, I just have to know how pathological narcissists are motivated.

And judge someone as being one.
How about not judging people you don't know?

 

[childeye 2]

And judge someone as being one.

Trump is running for president. When Trump asserts that he probably knows more than probably just about anybody and probably just about anything, and that he alone can fix the problems in the world, we're either going to believe him or not believe him. So, we're going to end up having to decide whether he's speaking forthrightly or exhibiting an abnormal level of arrogance. It's illogical to find fault in people for having to decide which way they're going to believe.

How about not judging people you don't know?

Yeah, people shouldn't judge people negatively when they don't even know them. So, saying migrants are poisoning the blood of America is clearly based on a negative prejudice. I hope you know that was the same Nazi propaganda used against the Jews.

Group Hatred in Nazi Germany: 80 Years Later

As we are approaching the 80-year mark since Germany invaded Poland in 1939, which was the start of World War II and the Holocaust, we are still asking why.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Trump is running for president. When Trump asserts that he probably knows more than probably just about anybody about probably mostly anything, we're either going to believe him or not believe him. So, we're going to end up having to decide whether he's speaking forthrightly or just making an arrogant statement. It's illogical to find fault in people for having to decide which way they're going to believe.


Yeah, people shouldn't judge people negatively when they don't even know them. So, saying migrants are poisoning the blood of America is clearly based on a negative prejudice. I hope you know that was the same Nazi propaganda used against the Jews.

It is patriotic duty to hold candidates and office holders accountable for everything they say and do.

That goes for both sides.

But with Trump it becomes overwhelming because he tries to define truth and reality. he either has to be completely ignored or chronically confronted. It gets tiring. I think most rational people are fatigued by him.