statuettes.... Error?!?

[icedtea]

I put my hand out in peace yesterday SEVERAL pages ago, and ONE person accepted it...accpeted the agree to disagree. And people wonder why I don't want anything to do with their believes.

I myself couldn't accept it,as I don't disagree with you!
And that is exactly the reason I want nothing to do with their beliefs, the arrogance and telling us how false we are.

 

[thereselittleflower]

do you think you need to talk to someone to honour them? Explain why? that's a foreign thought to me.

Do you think we shouldn't?

To give honor TO the person, how do you do so if you don't communicate with them?

There is a difference between honoring someone, and giving honor TO them . . . To give honor TO someone, you have to be engaged with that person in some fashion . .

It is one thing to give honor to the memory of someone . . it is quite a different thing to give honor TO the person . . .

I think you are confusing the two . . .

For instance, in marriage, I HONOUR my wife by not looking at another woman. Do I tell her "Hey, guess what, I saw a pretty lady today, but didn't look at her!

Is that all you do to honor your wife? Could you truly be saying you honor your wife if that is all you do?

I honour my parents by not disrespecting them. Do I say, hey, Mom... I've been respectful to you today! I'm honouring you!

That would mean the inverse is true . . you are respecting them . .something you are doing to them.

Look at how other cultures honor their parents. . bowing down to them . . to not bow down to them would be disrespecting them . . . Are you seeing the picture?

Just my take.

No, I do not speak with departed saints, I don't believe that it is even possible.
thanks for clarifying.

Ah, opposing viewpoints don't bother me at all. I just don't like sniping.

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[Rhamiel]

Thank you FrauleinElsa,
See folks she does not care for using statues as a devotional tool but she also knows that God is the one who can read a persons heart and it is up to Him to judge. I do not care if she uses a statue to help with devotions. Catholics do not say you HAVE to use statues. We have a lot of history with religous art, some younger churches might not have that shared history, you notice that it is only the very young churches that seem to have a big problem with statues?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

For the record, and this is for all of the Catholics out there, I don't care if you use statues. I mean that in nicest way possible. I mean, I don't agree with them, but really it's none of my business. It's between you and God. So, what I'm trying to say is you have one less Protestant trying to change your mind about them. It's not my thing, but then again what business is it of mine anyway? I just want to agree to disagree and live and let live. Sorry for the tired cliches but they fit for this situation.

I didn't think that was the purpose. I am just as comfortable in church full of statues as one without any.
For me, it is just a matter of what saith the "Written Word". Just be at peace.

Luke 2:23 as it hath been written in the Law of the Lord, --`Every male [arsen <730>] opening a womb shall be called holy to the Lord,'

 

[IamAdopted]

What is the biblical term for Honor?

 

[FrauleinElsa]

What is the biblical term for Honor?

Uh is this Jeopardy?

Answer: I believe the word is revere, Alex...uh I mean Iamadopted, lol!

 

[Uphill Battle]

Do you think we shouldn't?

To give honor TO the person, how do you do so if you don't communicate with them?

There is a difference between honoring someone, and giving honor TO them . . . To give honor TO someone, you have to be engaged with that person in some fashion . .

It is one thing to give honor to the memory of someone . . it is quite a different thing to give honor TO the person . . .

I think you are confusing the two . . .

and seeing as it isn't possible to engage in that interaction with someone not present on earth, I fail to see the point.

Is that all you do to honor your wife? Could you truly be saying you honor your wife if that is all you do?

of course not. It's an example. Not the entirety. I'm not married just yet, btw... not till later this year.



That would mean the inverse is true . . you are respecting them . .something you are doing to them.

Look at how other cultures honor their parents. . bowing down to them . . to not bow down to them would be disrespecting them . . . Are you seeing the picture?






.[/quote]mmhhmmm.... but then, we are talking about command from God, or allowance of such. Some cultures bow down to their elders, yes. Should they? no.

 

[IamAdopted]

Uh is this Jeopardy?

Answer: I believe the word is revere, Alex...uh I mean Iamadopted, lol!

Okay thank you.. Tee hee.. Jeopardy.. hhhmm could be.. lol

 

[IamAdopted]

I thought that the word Honor was to respect..

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Thank you FrauleinElsa,
See folks she does not care for using statues as a devotional tool but she also knows that God is the one who can read a persons heart and it is up to Him to judge. I do not care if she uses a statue to help with devotions. Catholics do not say you HAVE to use statues. We have a lot of history with religous art, some younger churches might not have that shared history, you notice that it is only the very young churches that seem to have a big problem with statues?

Well, your welcome. Like I said, while it's not my thing it's between you and God. I don't think Jesus would like some of the things that are being said and I just want the Catholics to know that while I have differing beliefs I'm not against them. I don't want to look like I am an enemy, because we're all essentially family.

 

[icedtea]

Those elders one bows down to are alive on earth. Difference.

 

[sunlover1]

I simply want to question RCC members on what appears to be error, most tellingly the crushing of the snake, the Mary teaching Christ scripture, and the overwhelming amount of attention paid to Mary in statuettes... as opposed to Jesus.

Any thoughts?

I am not Catholic, but I was for about 20 years.
That being said, Rhamiel explained the head crushing one.

Mary teaching Christ...
I'm assuming she did teach Him to read etc.

Mary getting more attention than Jesus?
Dunno.
You might want to look at the online Catholic stores and then you can see for yourself if it's disproportionate.


My mother always had a little statue on our dashboard of I think it was St Christopher, which she said offered protection for us in travel.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I thought that the word Honor was to respect..

Honor:

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

timao (Strong's 5091) occurs 22 times in 16 verses:

5091. timao tim-ah'-o from 5093; to prize, i.e. fix a valuation upon; by implication, to revere:--honour, value.
5093. timios tim'-ee-os, including the comparative timioteros tim-ee-o'-ter-os, and the superlative timiotatos tim-ee-o'-tat-os from 5092; valuable, i.e. (objectively) costly, or (subjectively) honored, esteemed, or (figuratively) beloved:--dear, honourable, (more, most) precious, had in reputation.
5092. time tee-may' from 5099; a value, i.e. money paid, or (concretely and collectively) valuables; by analogy, esteem (especially of the highest degree), or the dignity itself:--honour, precious, price, some.

(Young) Matthew 15:4 for God did command, saying, Honour/tima <5091>
thy father and mother; and, He who is speaking evil of father or mother--let him die the death;

 

[FrauleinElsa]

I thought that the word Honor was to respect..

Po-tay-toe, pah-tah-toe. Splitting hairs much? I mean and this is way off topic but revere is a synoymn for honor:




Main Entry: honorPart of Speech: noun 1Definition: respectSynonyms: account, adoration, adulation, aggrandizement, apotheosis, approbation, attention, canonization, celebration, confidence, consideration, credit, deference, deification, dignity, distinction, elevation, esteem, exaltation, faith, fame, fealty, glorification, glory, greatness, high standing, homage, immortalization, laud, laurel, lionization, notice, obeisance, popularity, praise, prestige, rank, recognition, renown, reputation, repute, revere, reverence, tribute, trust, veneration, worship, wreath

 

[IamAdopted]

Okay thank you that is what I was wondering..

 

[Uphill Battle]

I am not Catholic, but I was for about 20 years.
That being said, Rhamiel explained the head crushing one.

Mary teaching Christ...
I'm assuming she did teach Him to read etc.

Mary getting more attention than Jesus?
Dunno.
You might want to look at the online Catholic stores and then you can see for yourself if it's disproportionate.


My mother always had a little statue on our dashboard of I think it was St Christopher, which she said offered protection for us in travel.

I believe it's been pointed out, however, that it was forbidden for a woman to teach the scriptures?

It's an error, albeit a rather innocous one.

 

[Oblio]

Those elders one bows down to are alive on earth. Difference.

Why ?

Are they in different churches, one for those here, and another for those in heaven ?

Does death separate us from the love for each other ?

 

[sunlover1]

I believe it's been pointed out, however, that it was forbidden for a woman to teach the scriptures?

It's an error, albeit a rather innocous one.

Sorry, that was dense of me.
I was thinking she was teaching Him his reading, didn't pay attention; she was teaching Him the Scriptures?

Imagine that.


ANYhow...
Praise God for His Son!

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[thereselittleflower]

I thought that the word Honor was to respect..

Honour your father and your mother:

"Honour"

H3513
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ka&#770;bad ka&#770;be&#770;d
kaw-bad, kaw-bade'
A primitive root; to be heavy, that is, in a bad sense (burdensome, severe, dull) or in a good sense (numerous, rich, honorable); causatively to make weighty (in the same two senses): - abounding with, more grievously afflict, boast, be chargeable, X be dim, glorify, be (make) glorious (things), glory, (very) great, be grievous, harden, be (make) heavy, be heavier, lay heavily, (bring to, come to, do, get, be had in) honour (self), (be) honourable (man), lade, X more be laid, make self many, nobles, prevail, promote (to honour), be rich, be (go) sore, stop.
​

"respect" is a very limiting in modern western thinking . . .. it does not do the word "honour" justice. . ..


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[LittleLambofJesus]

Honour your father and your mother:






&quot;Honour&quot;

H3513​

&#1499;&#1468;&#1489;&#1491; &#1499;&#1468;&#1489;&#1491;​

ka&#770;bad ka&#770;be&#770;d​

kaw-bad, kaw-bade'​

A primitive root; to be heavy, that is, in a bad sense (burdensome, severe, dull) or in a good sense (numerous, rich, honorable); causatively to make weighty (in the same two senses): - abounding with, more grievously afflict, boast, be chargeable, X be dim, glorify, be (make) glorious (things), glory, (very) great, be grievous, harden, be (make) heavy, be heavier, lay heavily, (bring to, come to, do, get, be had in) honour (self), (be) honourable (man), lade, X more be laid, make self many, nobles, prevail, promote (to honour), be rich, be (go) sore, stop.​

&quot;respect&quot; is a very limiting in modern western thinking . . .. it does not do the word &quot;honour&quot; justice. . ..


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kabad (Strong's 03513) occurs 121 times in 109 verses:
AV - honour 34, glorify 14, honourable 14, heavy 13, harden 7,
glorious 5, sore 3, made heavy 3, chargeable 2, great 2,
many 2, heavier 2, promote 2, misc 10; 116

Honor in the greek

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

timao (Strong's 5091) occurs 22 times in 16 verses:

5091. timao tim-ah'-o from 5093; to prize, i.e. fix a valuation upon; by implication, to revere:--honour, value. 5093. timios tim'-ee-os, including the comparative timioteros tim-ee-o'-ter-os, and the superlative timiotatos tim-ee-o'-tat-os from 5092; valuable, i.e. (objectively) costly, or (subjectively) honored, esteemed, or (figuratively) beloved:--dear, honourable, (more, most) precious, had in reputation. 5092. time tee-may' from 5099; a value, i.e. money paid, or (concretely and collectively) valuables; by analogy, esteem (especially of the highest degree), or the dignity itself:--honour, precious, price, some.

(Young) Matthew 15:4 for God did command, saying, Honour/tima thy father and mother; and, He who is speaking evil of father or mother--let him die the death;