State of Israel

[Inkfingers]

Yes.

It is a distraction and a deception to take attention away from Israel as a people, and the sealing of God and deliverance of Israel is about a people.

Could you imagine what would happen to faith if Israel is destroyed over and over again - and everyone has been taught to focus on Israel as a land, not a people? God's Israel are an immovable people, a remnant scattered across the world (for now.)

Would you connect this with Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9?

 

[Kaon]

Would you connect this with Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9?

I don't think the people necessarily know or understand what their rulers, as it were, are doing to them and in their name. In other words, those verse aren't necessarily for the people of Israel, but for those who would have the world believe Israel is only a small strip of Mediterranean land, and not a people.

 

[seventysevens]

Rev 3:9
9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

The establishment of a nation of people on the very same piece of earth that was given to the people of Israel , is part of the prophecy given not the highlight of it -
but none the less part of it so that prophecy would be fulfilled as the Lord has given it

Unfortunately some people do not understand why it is part of prophecy because they are do not focus on how it will end and how the end will come

 

[Inkfingers]

Rev 3:9
9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

So what is the definition of a true Jew?

 

[seventysevens]

So what is the definition of a true Jew?

It will depend on the context in which the Lord speaks
There are people of Israel that are descendants through the maternal bloodline -

In today's world if you tell a Jew that is a Jew through the maternal bloodline that you are a Jew they will ask who your mother is . if your mother is not a bloodline Jew you will not be considered a true Jew regardless of your interpretation of scripture

Then symbolically there are people of Israel because they have accepted Christ as Lord and savoir who are not of the maternal bloodline - both in the future after all has been fulfilled will be called Israel as then at that time all will follow the Lord Jesus , it will be after the Lord Jesus has come to reign in His Kingdom

The establishment of a nation of people on the very same piece of earth that was given to the people of Israel , is part of the prophecy given not the highlight of it -
but none the less part of it so that prophecy would be fulfilled as the Lord has given it

Unfortunately some people do not understand why it is part of prophecy because they do not focus on how it will end and how the end will come

 

[Kaon]

So what is the definition of a true Jew?

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

 

[AlexDTX]

All three faiths, Christianity, Judaism and Islam hinge on Abraham.

This is in the religious books.

Yes, indeed they fall that way.

I think we have a semantic difference that is creating confusion. Yes, all three religions point to Abraham for the justification of their faith. Jesus said to the Pharisees,

Joh_8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
Joh_8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh_8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Mat_3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Joh_8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Judaism rejects Jesus not only as the Messiah, but persecutes any Jew that embraces Christ. Islam calls Jesus a prophet but rejects Him as God.

Paul said,
Gal_3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal_3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal_3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

To say that there are three great Abrahamic faiths is a mantra often repeated. And, as I said, it is a difference in semantics. What is meant is that three religions have come out of the descendants of Abraham. Of course as a Christian, I have never been a genetic descendant of Abraham, but I am a spiritual descendant. And in that sense, of which Jesus and Paul meant, neither the Jew who remains in Judaism nor the Muslim in Islam are spiritual descendants, for they do not have the faith of the man Abraham who believed in Jesus (John 8:56) before Jesus incarnated. Only Christians are spiritual descendants of Abraham.

 

[seventysevens]

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Where is it said in that scripture that defines who is Jewish ?

 

[Kaon]

Where is it said in that scripture that defines who is Jewish ?

That defines who is a brother or sister of Christ. Nothing else matters.

Who is Christ? An Hebrew. In fact, He Is The Hebrew - before Hebrews were.


This was the qualification for Christ's brother or sister when He was told about His blood brother and blood mother. In other words blood, culture and all that other man-made stuff is inconsequential when it comes to what matters: the qualification to be a Son of the Most High God, and a brother or sister of Christ.

 

[Inkfingers]

Where is it said in that scripture that defines who is Jewish ?

Well its not a bloodline that defines such (Matthew 3:9)

 

[seventysevens]

But it does not define who is Jewish person is -
It will depend on the context in which the Lord speaks
There are people of Israel that are descendants through the maternal bloodline - a person becomes part of the kingdom upon accepting Jesus as savoir - but yet the kingdom that will come to earth has not yet come

Jesus said he will be crucified - to fulfill the scriptures -
not because he did something wrong that he would need to die for - but to fulfill the scriptures -

The scriptures clearly state the the nation of Israel that was dissolved and disbanded 2000 years ago would be a nation 'born in a day' which has happened to fulfill scripture
What those who protest the nation of Israel being reborn as a nation do not understand is -- having a new temple built in Jerusalem that will resume the practices of ancient Israel - scripture declares this will happen , but does not say it is being done for Jesus - as it is being done to fulfill scriptures that state that Israel will have a temple that the Man of Lawlessness will sit and declare he is God - the strong delusion that God is sending to those of Israel that are of the maternal bloodline that refuse to repent and bless the Lord Jesus - which is why Jesus said they the Jews will not see Him again until they say blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord

The temple could be built anywhere - but to fulfill scripture it must be built in a nation called Israel in a city called Jerusalem
In order for all scripture to be fulfilled this must happen the way scripture declares it - not in the way that man prefers it be done
These scriptures fulfill what is to be done, scripture does not say the temple is for Jesus - it is for a false messiah/Man of Lawlessness to fulfill what is written to happen and will establish a nation of Israel where the True Messiah will come and establish His Kingdom , but it will not be the same throne that is defiled by the Man of Lawlessness/strong delusion
But it will happen as the scripture declares it

That defines who is a brother or sister of Christ. Nothing else matters.

Who is Christ? An Hebrew. In fact, He Is The Hebrew - before Hebrews were.


This was the qualification for Christ's brother or sister when He was told about His blood brother and blood mother. In other words blood, culture and all that other man-made stuff is inconsequential when it comes to what matters: the qualification to be a Son of the Most High God, and a brother or sister of Christ.

 

[Kaon]

But it does not define who is Jewish person is -
It will depend on the context in which the Lord speaks
There are people of Israel that are descendants through the maternal bloodline - a person becomes part of the kingdom upon accepting Jesus as savoir - but yet the kingdom that will come to earth has not yet come

Jesus said he will be crucified - to fulfill the scriptures -
not because he did something wrong that he would need to die for - but to fulfill the scriptures -

The scriptures clearly state the the nation of Israel that was dissolved and disbanded 2000 years ago would be a nation 'born in a day' which has happened to fulfill scripture
What those who protest the nation of Israel being reborn as a nation and having a new temple built in Jerusalem that will resume the practices of ancient Israel - scripture declares this will happen , but does not say it is being done for Jesus - as it is being done to fulfill scriptures that state that Israel will have a temple that the Man of Lawlessness will sit and declare he is God - the strong delusion that God is sending to those of Israel that are of the maternal bloodline that refuse to repent and bless the Lord Jesus - which is why Jesus said they the Jews will not see Him again until they say blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord

The temple could be built anywhere - but to fulfill scripture it must be built in a nation called Israel in a city called Jerusalem
In order for all scripture to be fulfilled this must happen the way scripture declares it - not in the way that man prefers it be done
These scriptures fulfill what is to be done, scripture does not say the temple is for Jesus - it is for a false messiah/Man of Lawlessness to fulfill what is written to happen and will establish a nation of Israel where the True Messiah will come and establish His Kingdom , but it will not be the same throne that is defiled by the Man of Lawlessness/strong delusion
But it will happen as the scripture declares it

It doesn't matter what the world defines as an Hebrew, or Jew.

What matters is who is in the family of the Most High God, and the Messiah Himself said that whoever does the will of His Father is His brother or sister.

 

[Kaon]

The Messiah said,

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Matthew 12:50

Well its not a bloodline that defines such (Matthew 3:9)

He also said,

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
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There is a "True Hebrew," and it is the Son of Man/Son of the Most High God. Anyone that does the will of His Father is His brother or sister. He said in Matthew 3:9 that bloodline means nothing. His entire ministry was to inform us how to be His brother or sister.

 

[Inkfingers]

The Messiah said,

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Matthew 12:50



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He also said,

And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
​

There is a "True Hebrew," and it is the Son of Man/Son of the Most High God. Anyone that does the will of His Father is His brother or sister. He said in Matthew 3:9 that bloodline means nothing. His entire ministry was to inform us how to be His brother or sister.

It's also interesting that we actually get saved by being made into figurative stones in the construction of the new Temple (the Body of Christ).

 

[seventysevens]

It doesn't matter what the world defines as an Hebrew, or Jew.

What matters is who is in the family of the Most High God, and the Messiah Himself said that whoever does the will of His Father is His brother or sister.

You can choose to ignore the prophetic scriptures - the point is there is much more to be fulfilled - and it is not about what the world says - it is about what the prophetic scripture says must be fulfilled- The Jews of ancient Israel chose not to accept Jesus as the Christ - it was Not the Gentiles that crucified Christ it was Israel
It is Israel that crucified Christ the Christ they were looking to see come to them - and when He did they did not accept Him because He did not come in the manner they expected

Same ideology is being put on Israel today by people who choose to ignore Israels place in prophetic scripture

 

[Kaon]

You can choose to ignore the prophetic scriptures - the point is there is much more to be fulfilled - and it is not about what the world says - it is about what the prophetic scripture says must be fulfilled- The Jews of ancient Israel chose not to accept Jesus as the Christ - it was Not the Gentiles that crucified Christ it was Israel
It is Israel that crucified Christ the Christ they were looking to see come to them - and when He did they did not accept Him because He did not come in the manner they expected

Same ideology is being put on Israel today by people who choose to ignore Israels place in prophetic scripture

I am going by what The Word of God Himself said, not ideology or even other humans.

 

[Kaon]

It's also interesting that we actually get saved by being made into figurative stones in the construction of the new Temple (the Body of Christ).

He, indeed, extends the metaphor (literally) by fulfilling Himself as the Cornerstone, and Peter as [one of] the first rock(s) making up the. Engineers and masons would know the importance of cornerstone, and designating the first [types of] materials to use.

 

[seventysevens]

I am going by what The Word of God Himself said, not ideology or even other humans.

To ignore or disagree that Israel as a nation is prophetic - To ignore or disagree that Israel as a nation having a temple built is prophetic
To ignore or disagree that Israel is not all people from everywhere -is going by what men teach that is not scriptural based, just as saying that Jesus will return , it will as in the future but not happened yet - Jeremiah 31 has not yet happened but will in the future - some are proclaiming it has already happened

 

[Kaon]

To ignore or disagree that Israel as a nation is prophetic - To ignore or disagree that Israel as a nation having a temple built is prophetic
To ignore or disagree that Israel is not all people from everywhere -is going by what men teach that is not scriptural based, just as saying that Jesus will return , it will as in the future but not happened yet - Jeremiah 31 has not yet happened but will in the future - some are proclaiming it has already happened

I am going by what The Word of God Himself said, not ideology or even other humans. I meant exactly what I said.

 

[seventysevens]

Sadly in forums especially there are people who are very rigid and inflexible in their view-
I did not mean ideology in a manner of something that is taught - rather in a manner like unto the Jews in ancient Israel that studied the scriptures and were looking for their messiah to come - but disregarded the many scriptures that gave them details on how to identify the messiah when he came -

More than 300+ very specific detailed scriptures that described the place where the messiah would come , his birth , his life, his death , his resurrection , how he would be put to death , but even though the scriptures were there and they studied the scriptures - they disregarded the prophecies in favor of what they preferred to believe which resulted in:->

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

They did not receive Him because they were looking for him to come in Power and glory and not as a lamb to be sacrificed -

So even though they read the scriptures they were blinded by their preference in how they chose to interpret the scripture .
Some people today have the same type of mindset where they prefer to focus on a couple of scriptures and disregard other prophetic scriptures and insist that all of the church is Israel -

When biblical scripture does in fact make a distinct reference to people called Israel that do not accept Jesus as Messiah - and are not part of the church but God calls them Israel and people disregard that -
Resulting in the same type of blindness as ancient Israel had.

When people exclusively focus attention on scripture that applies to ONLY that which they prefer - is why they do not understand the distinct difference God points out regarding who Israel is in a specific context !; that people who Choose to disregard the total of the scripture in the Holy Bible - resulting in a blindness that cause them to reject Israel as a nation and reject Israel as the place on earth .