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That's basically the trap that pundits and democrats keep setting for Trump, and he keeps falling into it (I suppose we can chalk it up to lack of intelligence on his part, or poor strategy by his campaign team).
Similar kinds of traps keep getting set for Biden, and he's walking into them half of the time too.
Setting the "Trump supports white supremacy" trap is pretty simple:
- name an entity that happened to be present at any sort of far-right event that happened to also include actual white supremacy groups
- Try to get him do denounce them
- Rather than clarify, in an intelligent manner (don't know if he's got the tools for that last part) "Groups that attend rallies that aren't racists themselves, don't magically become racists by proximity if actual white nationalists also happen to be there" He takes the bait and says things like he did in the debate, or says things like "there were good and bad people on both sides"
It's basically the political version of a loaded question. Find an event where maybe 10% of the people there were racist agitators, try to get him to disavow the entire event, so that his choices are "Do it, and insult the 90% of conservatives who were there who aren't racists" or "Don't do it, and then everyone gets to say that he refused to condemn racism"
...it'd be sort of like if there was a huge biker rally like Sturgis, and a bunch of clubs, who weren't involved in the same types of illegal things that the "1%" clubs are involved in, happened to be there in attendance along side the 1% club members who also happened to be there, and setting the expectation that "if someone doesn't condemn the entire event and every club that was in attendance, that means "they refuse to condemn biker gangs".
Biden has been getting the same setup from the conservative side when it comes to the topics of law & order and The Green New Deal, because they know he's trying to walk that edge of "Moderate" versus "Further left". We saw him walk into the Green New Deal trap during the debate.
They basically trashed the green new deal, knowing that Biden would jump to defend it with comments like "it'll pay for itself" and "it's a great plan" (to appeal to the farther left), and then when asked "Do you support the Green New Deal?", he says "No, that's not my plan" (to appeal to more moderate democrats). At which point, the logical response to him would be: "Joe, if you say it's a great plan and it'll pay for itself, then why don't you support it and why isn't that your plan?"...however, the moderator did him a bit of a favor by bailing him out and moving to a different topic.
I'd like to think if we had two smarter candidates as the two front runners, they'd be able to easily navigate through these painfully transparent setups their opposition is throwing at them.
If it devolved anymore, they'd both literally be asking each other
"Have you stopped beating your wife?...it's a yes or no question!"
And yet they don't burn down businesses and hit people in the head with a brick and leave them lying on the pavement to die? Oh my!
I agree they're not a white supremacist group. They may work alongside them, but the direct label doesn't apply.
Now for the catch-22. Trump claims he hadn't heard of them. So during the debate, when asked to condemn white supremacists ideology and groups, he was fed a name by Biden. If it's actually true that Trump knew nothing of the group, it should've been super easy to say "if they are a white supremacist group, I condemn them and any other similar group full stop." But he didn't do that. If he knows of the group, he could have said something along the lines of they aren't a white supremacist group, but I condemn the actual groups that explicitly are white supremacist.
He did the same stupid thing that he did at Helsinki with Putin when he said "I see no reason why it would be them" only to try to correct it a few days later by saying "I meant would NOT be them." He told the Proud Boys to "Stand back, stand by." 2 days later, now it's "I meant stand down, a synonym of stand back." (According to Press Secretary as of today's press briefing) No mention of the stand by comment, but it sure did seem pretty sincere on the debate stage. Trump consistently picks the worst option out of all the easy stances to take. Nobody should give him the benefit of the doubt at this point.
The issue of mischaracterizing the Proud Boys is small potatoes compared to what this President has done in 4 years. We can fix that later.
I don't think we miss out on that at all. What's going on between Trump and his supporters is dangerously close to cult status. I certainly believed and still believe Donald could shoot someone on 5th Ave. and not lose any supporters. There's good reason why his approval rating has been remarkable steady. On the low end, but steady nonetheless.I think one of the main point you and others miss-out on is the respect Trump commands among his followers.
Stop your pearl clutching.
Whether or not they are overt racists, Proud Boys are vile thugs and asking the president to denounce them would not be asking too much.
I don't think we miss out on that at all. What's going on between Trump and his supporters is dangerously close to cult status. I certainly believed and still believe Donald could shoot someone on 5th Ave. and not lose any supporters. There's good reason why his approval rating has been remarkable steady. On the low end, but steady nonetheless.
Trump is transparent. He cannot control himself. He wants to continue courting right wing militias.Now you're acting like you can read his mind. So even if he would have said, "I hereby condemn all white supremacist groups" in response to Chris Wallace's question on the debate stage, there would still be people like you who would then claim, "Yeah, but he didn't actually mean it". That's why there's no point in him continuing to say things the Left keeps telling him to say.
Enrique Tarrio, National Chairman of the "Proud Boys," with former Florida Governor and current Senator Rick Scott!
Tarrio was also a former Republican Congressional Candidate for the House - Make America Great Again!
Stop doing what? I'm just doing what you're doing...You just can't stop, can you? Sorry to say, it's not Trump that has galvanized them. It is not Trump that has messed with them for years to the point that they have had enough.
I'm not one to lie about how I actually feel. To my own detriment or not, I will tell the truth.
Where did you get that picture from?It's hard to believe that white supremacists like "Enrique Tarrio" and homophobic extremists like Gavin Mcinnes could have such a deep influence on our government...
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"Russia, if you're listening..."Yeah, like the concerns if collusion, and a multitude of other things that never happened
How about telling them to stand by, followed immediately by saying someone needs to do something about Antifa? That seems like basically the same thing, more or less...Stop your pearl clutching.
Whether or not they are overt racists, Proud Boys are vile thugs and asking the president to denounce them would not be asking too much.
Where did you get that picture from?
Trump is transparent. He cannot control himself. He wants to continue courting right wing militias.
Sounds so very 1933.Sounds good to me.Someone's got to stand up to the anarchists and communists.
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