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Easy G (G²) said:Definately a video work having for a sticky and heads up in line with the SOP
It always takes me too long to post. By the time I've finished reading, researching and responding, another page full of posts have been published and I am way behind again. Oh well, I need a break anyway...
sacerdote said:Amen Henaynei
I am still embarrassed for calling you sir the other day
Shalom
Avodat said:Hahaha! I've tried one-man suggestions while I have been here - posters have often agreed but not staff so, by and large, no notice is taken and I can't be bothered any more.
LOL this was one of the classes Ani and I just attended at the MJAA conference last month, yes consider it stuck
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It was, trust me. It was a practice in true political anarchy.Easy G (G²) said:Rule by the Mob, it seems...and that'd be horrible
Praying the Lord would bless your efforts, Sis, as you seek to ensure that your family grows up realizing the things you did when it comes to living out your theology rather than talking about it. It is often the case that many discussions can go down discussing things that may or may not be deemed as "false teaching/false doctrine"---and yet when was the last time something was labeled as a "false doctrine" like failure to love someone while claiming to love the Lord...and failing to put our finances where we say our heart is?There aren't many opportunities for worship with the little ones I have, or for volunteering, but I am looking at our finances to make sure we are supporting people where G-d is leading us right now.
With our large homeless population, it doesn't make sense not to provide and share with our small abundance, and with the teaching we've greatly benefited from, I want to make sure we support the TV channel that has brought us such gems, so they don't go away. From there, as things improve, I'd like to be able to give to other charities. As the children grow, and my health improves, I'd like to put my money where my mouth is, and get out there and do as well as give..
http://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 14&version=NIV#en-NIV-25559Luke 14:12-13http://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 14&version=NIV#en-NIV-25559
12 Then Jesus said to his host, When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or sisters, your relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. 13 But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, 14 and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.
Glad we're not there anymore, even though it seems alot of times as if there's somewhat of a desire by many to go by that (i.e. Majority demands equal what is enforced and what others fight against people to accept, even though policy/rules say otherwise).It was, trust me. It was a practice in true political anarchy.
b'Shalom {iPod touch w/CF app}
Technically it was...although the mods enforcing things then were those who were the elders/leaders of the Jewish Church/body of Messiah....alongside the Gentile leaders they worked with.Thank God the report button wasn't around in the 1stC.
Thanks for the support EZ, I kinda dropped the ball on that myself and for that I'm sorry, for a while I was not able to be here as much as I would have liked to be here as I share one lap top with five people two of which are teens.... then I was blessed to win a contest at work and won an IPAD2!!!!!.
I'm up for it...and praying that all others will be as well. But there'll probably be alot of others not for it. To that, if it cannot be honored in the small thing you've requested, truthfully, I'd wonder how much there's a real commitment to be like Yeshua and serve one another/seek to be in Unity as the scriptures note ( John 13, John 17:6 )I can help us thru that transition now better, as long as everyone is still willing to try it out.....3 mos is all it will take to test run this new look in MJ
...there have been many misunderstandings about MJ with the rest of the board when Christianity is debunked and dissed in here. After all when folks think of Christianity they think Jesus and rightly so.....When they see it dissed, or devalued, it's a logical conclusion to think we care less about Yeshua, or nothing at all for Him......and when the emotions enter in with phrases such as ....."we can't follow their God Jesus as he is not our Messiah"(I'm paraphrasing and it wasn't necessarily any one here who said it, it was just something that was reported and boy did I have to do a lot of "splainen" for that one...).you can only imagine what that conjures up in the minds of staff, and cf members alike. The fact is we are apart of the body of Christ/Messiah and albeit different, we hold many truths the same, and need to appreciate the things we have in common more.
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Skype is another way, although that'd take things to entirely different levels if we all were able to see and hear one another physically since many things can be misread through the screen at times...and sometimes, people can read more into what is said based on how they filter things due to other experiences with certain forms of language (or how others may be limited in sharing the length of experiences/thought in a post).Awesome post EZ I think this is a perfect way to start getting to know each other in a positive way!
Just as its unfair to post that Torah has been nailed to the Cross, it is equally unfair to say that lawlessness is equal to sin and bait folks to debate Torah Observance....A mature MJ should know that this doesn't produce anything but resentment and defensiveness in our visitors and members..Torah is about teaching and instructing, not condemning but on the other hand, I haven't seen it portrayed that way in here in a long time.If you are referring to that video I posted, I can't see how they would be against the SoP. He says 'when He comes back everyone is going to keep them'.
"Anti Torah campaigns-While MJs believe they are saved by grace and faith in Yeshua Messiah, they honor and respect the Torah given by Moses. No campaigning against the Torah"
If someone posts in a way 'you got to keep the Torah and if you don't...' does anyone have a right to challenge that or it's also possible believers are being misunderstood on both sides. I'm involved in another forum and there are Torah positive believers there that do this 'if you don't keep the Law you'll be least in the Kingdom of Heaven'.
I no longer believe the myth that Churches are trying to assimilate Jews into denying our heritage, or that my full participation in the Messianic (aka Christian) community is somehow a slur on or rejection of my own (actual, birthright) Jewish heritage. Rather, I see a false dilemma being presented to honest people looking for answers by people who find life in the Body of Christ too challenging and would rather walk their own individual course.
I don't know how many are aware of what's called the New Perspective on Paul but it's an interesting and convincing perspective. In general most Christian theology is based on Pauline epistle's with a misunderstanding of Paul. This misunderstanding is centered around texts such as 1 Corinth 9:20. The likes of Nanos provides good stuff what Paul meant and makes convincing that Paul was always Torah observant but has been misunderstood that he wasn't based on 1 Corinth 9:20 as well as other texts.
The misunderstanding of Paul is the result of Christian theology.
I have been a proponent of this misunderstanding in other forums. This is my opinion. A lot of believers resist this because their theology is based on Paul and if Paul was Torah observant that means I as a believer have to be Torah observant like Paul. But that isn't the point of the New Perspective anyway. The jist is a Jew like Paul was Torah observant and able to do so in ministering and preaching the Gospel to non Jews. He didn't become like a Gentile and broke the commandments so he could relate to them and preach the Gospel.
An example would be Paul calling out Peter when Peter got up from among the Gentiles when Peter saw the Jews from Judea. Most believers believe that Peter was eating unclean foods. You can eat with Gentiles and not break Lev 11 right? I mean Cornelius being in the synagogue would have known not to serve Peter contrary to Lev 11 right? Why isn't it possible that Peter and Paul could have ate and fellow shipped with Gentiles without transgressing?
Quote from Wright; "When Saul became a Christian, Wright contends, he maintained the Jewish shape of his doctrine, but filled it with new content. The zeal of Saul the Pharisee was now the zeal of Paul the Apostle; God’s covenant faithfulness (righteousness) with regard to the covenant people was indeed fulfilled, in the death and resurrection of Jesus the Messiah.
A Summary of the New Perspective on Paul | The Paul Page
I think what they are asking is we each forgive each other and start from a new beginning much as the L-rd allows us to do after being forgiven of our own trespasses.
HE forgives us more than "70 x 7." Should we not forgive both posters and mods at least that many times since that, too, is a Mitzvah?
b'Shalom {iPod touch w/CF app}
In light of what was said on how MJism is connected to the Protestant camp, I was also thinking of the ways it is apart of the Catholic as well as Orthodox camps as well..concerning those MJish camps that do not desire to break away from Christianity (and have never seen the need to) or Judaism since they see the two as interconnected...and yet feel that certain camps within Christendom such as the Catholics or Eastern Christian/Orthodox are what Judaism is connected with.After believing on Yeshua, it took several years to realize the Protestant was for Protest, and breaking from the RCC.
I don't see myself as Protestant.
But I also don't see myself as breaking away from Judaism. Judaism believes in the Messiah, but are still waiting for him. I think we missed Him, as Yeshua is the Messiah. Had Judaism recognized Yeshua the Messiah, then all of Judaism would be Messianic Judaism.
I also don't see myself as breaking away from Christianity. In the sense of the body of Messiah, born again believers, Messianic Jews are Christians. Messianic and Christian are synonyms. Messianic is more Jewish, and Christian is more Gentile. .
QFT and GREAT ideas!^^^What I don't understand is why some, not all on this forum; cannot take a stance that there are others all along the road of observance - share your view and move on if you disagree. There are AMICABLE ways to talk about what I believe and what You believe, and what s/he believes and they do... without it ever becoming anything other than thinking and working positively with those facts.
Sure the MJAA does xzy, and the UCMJ does abc and BSS in Germany does def and IAMCS does ghi and so and so does zbeh... when it comes to the forum, we COULD discuss that without everyone getting their underoos in a wad. It's where we all as adults have to move past our hurts, our baggage and just decide to either not discuss, or bow out before things get too heated.
I believe at this point it might be beneficial for us to just take any debate off the table and work on fellowship, and then perhaps we can bring it back.
Some of this comes down to personality types, but most of this has to do with the dynamic that has changed with some of our newer posters and older posters. I know it doesn't look like I've been here a long time, but I was here under my old username for quite a while and know most everyone here, even if some do not remember me.
The forum WAS doing much better when I rejoined than I had seen it in a long, long time. However, there's been some fur flying as of late that has seen several valuable posters leave.
I've wondered if perhaps working through some books together that are bible study and/or church and messianic history together might mend some of this brokenness, and also if perhaps some rules in place that help change our paradigm and way of thinking of/about others might assist us all.
But, there is so much "you" and "I" accusatory statements that I wonder if anyone could possibly step outside of their comfort zones and walk a few miles in each others shoes and still come out amicably agreeing to disagree or if it would just make it all worse...
Lol that was funnyAs my friend says: You should always try and walk a few miles in someone elses' shoes...by that time you are a miles from them and they don't have any shoes, so it's their problem!
(Sorry to make light of that phrase - couldn't resist. But you are right!)
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