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It is not possible to reason with someone who indulges in such daft and daffy conspiracy theory as you.
Sorry to hear that, let's pray for each other.
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It is not possible to reason with someone who indulges in such daft and daffy conspiracy theory as you.
But be careful, he who trades liberty for security risks losing both.
Which of us is truly free of every obligation ?
Is Paul not revealing something new about the purpose of Moses' face covering?
That it was symbolic of the occlusion of God's glory by the law.
And we symbolically cast away the veil from our face that keeps us from seeing the shekinah glory and hearing the true gospel.
So when Caesar imposes the rule of face covering by Roman law and in the name of security, does nothing sound in your conscience, in connection with Paul's revelation?
The Protestant dream, sola scriptura, as if one can just put aside all the assumptions and unconscious agenda one has and just let the Bible speak for itself, with none but the HS as guide. Clearly it hasn't worked out that way. We need to be honest enough to admit that we all bring at least unconscious agenda to the text.
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's
In 2 Corinthians 3:12-4:4, Paul equates the veiling of the face with hardness of heart and blind eyes of those who are perishing in slavery and shame under the law. The unveiled face otoh is free to proclaim the gospel, behold the glory of God and be transformed by the Spirit in mercy and righteousness.
Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we received mercy, we do not lose heart, but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Do you consider this passage contains teaching regarding the use of face coverings by Christians today?
It amounts to the same thing, does it not? The temple of God is now a walking biohazard.
And you seem to have uncritically accepted a number of unproven claims there btw.
I noticed that you didn't bother answering my question so I will try again. If you go into the hospital for surgery would you have no issues with your doctors and nurses operating on you without wearing masks?This seems a non sequitur. Is Paul or Moses doing surgery here? Are ppl who are forced to wear facemasks due to covid also given scalpels and a medical degree?
Paul is talking about the difference between law and grace. The difference between being under the curse of the law or free in Christ. It's really not about face coverings at all.In 2 Corinthians 3:12-4:4, Paul equates the veiling of the face with hardness of heart and blind eyes of those who are perishing in slavery and shame under the law. The unveiled face otoh is free to proclaim the gospel, behold the glory of God and be transformed by the Spirit in mercy and righteousness.
Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we received mercy, we do not lose heart, but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Do you consider this passage contains teaching regarding the use of face coverings by Christians today?
biologically illiterate.
Sure thing. God gets the veil over heart and medical official get the mask over face.
So we all happy now ?
I noticed that you didn't bother answering my question so I will try again. If you go into the hospital for surgery would you have no issues with your doctors and nurses operating on you without wearing masks?
Paul is talking about the difference between law and grace. The difference between being under the curse of the law or free in Christ. It's really not about face coverings at all.
My reading of Exodus 34:33-35 is that after Moses had spent time with God, receiving the 10 commandments, his face literally shone.
Maybe by the time of the NT; in the OT they would show themselves to be holy and prove they were God's people by keeping his law.
Yes; whatever your veil happens to be - legalism, prejudice, greed, pride etc.
Caesar hasn't imposed anything, he's dead; we're not under Roman law
Well I'm sorry, but you clearly do.
If anything, that reminds me of the transfiguration, where Jesus' "face changed and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightening", Luke 9:29. Or the figure that Ezekiel saw on the throne of God; like brilliant metal and fire and light surrounded him, Ezekiel 1:28. Or the One like the Son of Man in Revelation; whose "face was like the sun, shining in all it's brilliance", Revelation 1:16.
God is light, 1 John 1:5 - and that is taught elsewhere in the NT.
In other words, you don’t have an answer. Just as I thought.I try to avoid hospitals, they're full of sick ppl.
I'll prefer Paul's reading of the passage if you don't mind.
Paul's revealing it was a barrier to seeing God's holiness and receiving the gospel. The devil makes his slaves wear face masks. But I guess there's no correlation.
Legalism in this case, as in 'face coverings are mandated by law'.
If you say so.
Thanks for your honesty. Now remove the plank from your own.
Good, but we don't see Jesus covering his face.
So what do you think Jesus would do if Caesar ordered him to wear a mask?
In 2 Corinthians 3:12-4:4, Paul equates the veiling of the face with hardness of heart and blind eyes of those who are perishing in slavery and shame under the law. The unveiled face otoh is free to proclaim the gospel, behold the glory of God and be transformed by the Spirit in mercy and righteousness.
Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we received mercy, we do not lose heart, but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Do you consider this passage contains teaching regarding the use of face coverings by Christians today?
But be careful, he who trades liberty for security risks losing both.
pffft. So then they 'chip' you. lolWear the Mask = Stay Anonymous = Stay FREE