Speaking in Tounges

[Truth of God]

1 COR 14:2= IT IS CLEAR IN SCRIPTURE THAT MAN SPEAKS IN TONGUES,
THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
IT WAS PREDICTED IN: ISAIAH 28:11-12; 1 COR 14:21; JOEL 2:28-32 WITH ACTS 2:16.
AND JESUS; MARK1 6:17 ; JOHN 15:26, 16:13-15.
IT WAS FULFILLED IN ACTS 2:4 , 10:44-48 , 19:1-7; 1 COR 12:8-10, 28-30, 13:1-3, 14:1-40.

SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS LIKE SPEAKING IN THE HEAVENLY LANGUAGE.
THE DEVIL DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING SAID.

ISN'T THAT GREAT THAT GOD USES SUCH AWESOME WAYS TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE TO HIM!!??!

I HEAR PEOPLE PRAISING THE LORD ALL THE TIME IN TONGUES!!!!
WHEN THAT HAPPENS, I CAN ACTUALLY FEEL THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT SURROUNDING ME.
I LOVE HIS PRESENCE!!!

 

[Iosias]

1 COR 14:2= IT IS CLEAR IN SCRIPTURE THAT MAN SPEAKS IN TONGUES, THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
IT WAS PREDICTED IN: ISAIAH 28:11-12; 1 COR 14:21; JOEL 2:28-32 WITH ACTS 2:16. AND JESUS; MARK1 6:17 ; JOHN 15:26, 16:13-15.
IT WAS FULFILLED IN ACTS 2:4 , 10:44-48 , 19:1-7; 1 COR 12:8-10, 28-30, 13:1-3, 14:1-40.

Again I say that this is nonsense!! When we speak in tongues we speak not to God but to men! It is used for evangelism!! Your logic runs haywire here...you say it was predicted in Acts 2:16 and fulfilled in Acts 2:4!!

SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS LIKE SPEAKING IN THE HEAVENLY LANGUAGE.
THE DEVIL DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING SAID.

Prove this scripturally!!

 

[shawn_h76]

1 COR 14:2= IT IS CLEAR IN SCRIPTURE THAT MAN SPEAKS IN TONGUES,
THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
IT WAS PREDICTED IN: ISAIAH 28:11-12; 1 COR 14:21; JOEL 2:28-32 WITH ACTS 2:16.
AND JESUS; MARK1 6:17 ; JOHN 15:26, 16:13-15.
IT WAS FULFILLED IN ACTS 2:4 , 10:44-48 , 19:1-7; 1 COR 12:8-10, 28-30, 13:1-3, 14:1-40.

SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS LIKE SPEAKING IN THE HEAVENLY LANGUAGE.
THE DEVIL DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING SAID.

ISN'T THAT GREAT THAT GOD USES SUCH AWESOME WAYS TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE TO HIM!!??!

I HEAR PEOPLE PRAISING THE LORD ALL THE TIME IN TONGUES!!!!
WHEN THAT HAPPENS, I CAN ACTUALLY FEEL THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT SURROUNDING ME.
I LOVE HIS PRESENCE!!!

Very Good. Yes, i personally speak in tongues, it is amazing but privatley not in public.
Tongues is the heavenly language not an earthly language, Paul puts it this way:
1 corthains 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

 

[Iosias]

Very Good. Yes, i personally speak in tongues, it is amazing but privatley not in public.
Tongues is the heavenly language not an earthly language, Paul puts it this way:
1 corthains 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Two major problems with this are:

1. Tongues should be spoken in public because they are an evangelistic tool!

2. The passage you quote is talking about unknown tongues! I.e. gibberish. Someone who speaks in gibberish speaks unto a god (Greek: theos) for men do not understand such gibberish and because of this he speaks mysteries i.e. ****.

 

[dmiller]

I didn't get to vote, the polls were closed.

I would have voted No, and before you start telling me why I am wrong, please listen to why I think so. Thanks!

I believe that speaking in tongues is a manifestation of THE GIFT - Holy Spirit. I use the KJV, and if you look in I Cor.12:7, it very clearly states that the following 9 "gifts" are called manifestations.

I speak in tongues, and I do it daily, as part of my prayer life, and praise life. The word "gifts" is used in I Cor. 12:1, but it is italicized in the KJV, which means the word was added by the translators. The word "spiritual" (just before the word "gifts" in the KJV, is the greek word pneumatikos, and it means spiritual things, or spiritual matters.

The Gift is the Holy Spirit. The manifestation of that gift, is speaking in tongues, interpretation, healing, prophecy, etc. If I were to give you a car as a gift, that would be the gift. Along with that gift comes the radio, the heater, the brakes, the horn, etc. The radio is not the gift, the car is. You cannot operate the radio (manifestation of the overall gift), if you don't have the original gift of the car. Right?? Operating the radio, means you have the gift of the car.

I used to attend a charismatic Catholic group, and they were they ones who led me into speaking in tongues. I do use tongues in my prayer life frequently, and now I have another point to address --

posted by AV1611:
The Gift of Tongues as used in the Bible was not Satanic. However the gift of tongues as used in the Bible has ceased. This is because the purpose of tongues has ceased.

Av1611 -- I have to disagree with this because of Acts 2:7-11. If the original "use" of speaking in tongues was to "speak the wonderful works of God" in verse 11, why would God want that to cease???

We are to continue in speaking the wonderful works of God today. If this is another way of doing so, far be it from me to stop. I know I Cor 13:8 says that tongues will cease. But it also says knowledge will cease as well. Verse 10 gives the answer when it says -- "But when that which is perfect is come, THEN that which is in part shall be done away."

In other words, the Apostle Paul is not saying "it's history", he is saying "it will be history, someday". (my paraphrase!)

So -- I believe that the Gift is the Holy Spirit, and when tongues, healing, etc. are done -- it is a manifestation (ie. - proof that you have the Spirit).
And yes -- it will continue until our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ comes down from Heavan to gather in His children!

 

[dmiller]

oh --- and btw --- I know that healing is called a gift in I Cor 12:9, but that is the only one out of the nine mentioned to be called so.

The Nine :
Word of Wisdom
Word of Knowledge
Faith
Gifts of Healing
Working of miracles
Prophecy
Discerning of Spirits
Tongues
Interpretation of Tongues

IMHO, if you toss out one, you toss them all out. I personally think these are tools to use in our daily spiritual warfare, as we fight the adversary, and proclaim Jesus Christ.

 

[Iosias]

IAv1611 -- I have to disagree with this because of Acts 2:7-11. If the original "use" of speaking in tongues was to "speak the wonderful works of God" in verse 11, why would God want that to cease?

This ignores the crux of the question! I suggest you read http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/tongues/tongues9.htm

 

[dmiller]

yessir. I will do so. But I stand behind what I just said.

 

[dmiller]

God causes tongues to be heard as a sign of judgment.

AV1611 -- Looked at the site (admittedly briefly, but will be going back to it).

I picked this quote from it, because it truely supports what I was just saying.

In the days of the Tower of Babel, (and other places mentioned in the article), yes -- diversity of tongues caused men to be estranged from each other, since their purpose was uniting against God, and He had no use for such disrespect.

However, (as I say, I need to go back to the article), I am of the opinion that God still intends tongues to be "judgement" (if you will), yet this time favourably, and not un-favourably. Think about it.

Originally men were set against God. They spoke one language. They communicated, they plotted, and God said "Enough!" Tongues (at that time) was surely a judgement, and acted as a hinderance to the plans of men. Yes??

Fast forward to the book of Acts. Tongues were in evidence in Acts 2:4 -- and I believe it was God's judgement all over again, yet this time favourably, since the tongues were directed His way in praise and thanksgiving.

Ever heard the term "full circle" ??

Adam and Eve were cast from a garden, and into a desert.
Jesus came to a desert, and went to a garden.
Tongues given to men to divide them, given they were fighting God.
Tongues given to men to unite in praise, given they were seeking God.
Paradise was lost back in Genesis.
Paradise is regained in Revelation.

Given the unbelievable amount of junk we put up with these days, God is moving things forward to the final fruition of us being in eternity. And I see His giving the Gift of Holy Spirit, and the "current" speaking in tongues as a "judgement" that we can now unite in praise, and supplication to Him (in a multiplicity of languages provided by Him), and I for one will never denigrate it.

I see no biblical admonition to cease, nor will I.

As always, this is just an IMHO.

We may find out (in Heavan) that we were all mistaken!! Who knows?

 

[Abiel]

So, on one side we have some christians and the bible and on the other side, some christians and the bible. Hmmm.

 

[dmiller]

posted by Abiel:
So, on one side we have some christians and the bible and on the other side, some christians and the bible. Hmmm.

Sadly, t'is true.

All Truth will be revealed to us one day, and I for one, am already nervously shuffling my feet. Since I do speak in tongues, I believe it to be viable, and valid. I never say that one has to do so, to go to Heavan. I do not agree with all denominations either, but who am I to say who God has accepted??

If one speaks in tongues, great. If you don't, also great. The Lord leads, and we are to follow. My 2 cents worth was just that -- 2 cents worth.

At least on both sides we have christians, and bibles -- and debate is not hatred, just discussion.

Of all the folks in the Bible, that are listed -- I am absolutely MOST ENVIOUS of those two guys on the road to Emmaus. Luke 24:27 -- too bad they did not have tape recorders back then. That had to be the teaching of all times.

And I think we would all agree with that one!

 

[Abiel]

I come to this debate as a speaker of tongues, who isn't convinced. I just sometimes think I'm making it all up out of my head. I know that gifts did not cease. I've seen to many wonderful things with my own eyes. I dont need to be convinced that tongues aren't real. I just need to know whether mine are, and also I have a christian friend who is adamant that 'it's the devil', and it makes me wish the tongues would go away!

 

[alaskamolly]

I did a cool thing, because I was SOOOOOOOOO skeptical of the 'tongues thing.'
So, before I ever recieved the gift of tongues, I tape recorded myself TRYING to speak in tongues. It was a lot of babble, of course...

Then, a couple months later, I recieved the gift of tongues (finally got up the guts to ask for it and then open my mouth to try speaking--I was SO scared, having been taught that it was all of the devil, so it was a long journey in Scripture for me to even be open to the idea)...

Checking the sounds I was making with the earlier recorded sounds, I could without-a-doubt tell a difference. One was babble. The other had rhythm and form to it. Sure, maybe I didn't understand the words, but it had definite language sounds to it, unlike my made-up babble.

So that nipped my "doubt" bug right there--I was sure from the start that the tongues I was speaking were actually that--a language unknown to me, but known to God and the angels.

Whenever my spirit is moved--whether privately or in a congregational setting, I feel the gift of tongues welling up within me. The church I attend does not practice the gifts, so I obviously keep quiet, but it's always a great indicator to me of God's spirit moving--my own spirit responds in kind...



Blessings,
Mol

 

[wonder111]

that's great Mol, I know what you mean, the syllables are so distinct, it doesn't really sound like babbling at all

 

[Iosias]

I come to this debate as a speaker of tongues, who isn't convinced. I just sometimes think I'm making it all up out of my head. I know that gifts did not cease. I've seen to many wonderful things with my own eyes. I dont need to be convinced that tongues aren't real. I just need to know whether mine are, and also I have a christian friend who is adamant that 'it's the devil', and it makes me wish the tongues would go away!

I am a 100% cessationist and my advice is thus: if you do not understand what you are saying and you do not know whether it comes from God or the devil then you should stop "speaking in tongues". For all you know you may be blaspheming over and over and over again!!

 

[Asaph]

I am a 100% cessationist

I know of someone else who wants to deny the power of the risen Saviour too.

Matt 23:27
27 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.
NKJV


Sorry, it just seemed to be the appropriate scripture. Is that more "noble"?

Asaph

 

[wobbly]

Hi Asaph,

I think AV was just trying to get you to think about the situation, I'm sure he wasn't trying to offend. I think its always useful to critique my views because I know I'm likely to get things wrong.

It would be as much a mistake for anyone to limit what God can do themselves as to asign things to God themselves. Our only warrant for understanding God is his own self revelation, in the scriptures.

A couple of points that I think relevant to the issue, and please don't take these personally, are:

- God tests his children that he loves (Heb 12) and this could include with lying spirits
- we are told to test spirits

Both of these points allow for the possibility that what the tongues phenomonen are not (always) of God.

Sorry for being slack and not providing references. I'll get them later if you like.

cheers Martin

 

[tesnusxenos]

by AV1611
I am a 100% cessationist and my advice is thus: if you do not understand what you are saying and you do not know whether it comes from God or the devil then you should stop "speaking in tongues". For all you know you may be blaspheming over and over and over again!!

this is how I know what I speak is good - Jesus is in my heart
Luke 6
45The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. (NIV)
Luke 6
45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.(KJV)

 

[Iosias]

I know of someone else who wants to deny the power of the risen Saviour too.

Asaph

That would be Satan...the difference between myself and Satan is that I have my place in the heaven dwelling. I find it classic that most non-charismatics cannot argue against the cessationist position and so try to make cessationist out to be satan admirers.

 

[Iosias]

this is how I know what I speak is good - Jesus is in my heart
Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.(KJV)

This proves nothing...the fact remains that you do not KNOW what you are saying! Therefore you do not KNOW that you are not blaspheming! My mother can pray in tongues (even if I disagree that she can) but she does not use it because she could not understand what she was doing. Asnswer me this...Have you ever blasphemed in English unintentially?...I have and I prayed for forgiveness...you see just because you are a Christian it does not mean you are unable to sin...it means we hate sin and are sorry for it.

1 Corinthians 14
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people [Israel]; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not...

This text shews that tongues are not for private use! It was to be used as a sign of judgement upon israel which was fulfilled in AD70. The Biblical gift of tongues has ceased...its purpose has ceased!