Speaking in Tounges

[Chica4Christ]

What?? Are yall serious?

Speaking in tounges IS biblical, and speaking in tounges IS real. The reason why most people here haven't received the Holy Ghost is because it is hard to open up your heart COMPLETELY. I never spoke in tounges until after I was baptized, but that doesn't mean you cannot get it before baptisim. Speaking in tounges is a GIFT from God to WHOMEVER God chooses to give the gift. The common mis-conception among CHristians is that you have to speak in tounges. This isn't true!

The first time it happened to me I was in a Pentacostal church where everybody is praising God, lifting their hands and clapping. There was a band on stage and the co-pastor was singing a really awesome song. Everyone in the church is standing up and looking toward heaven...I can't really explain it but I just opened my heart to God all the way and said..'bring on Your Spirit Lord..Fill me with Your Spirit, Your servent is ready if it is Your will"

I surrendered my tounge to the Lord and the next thing you know it is moving by itself. I cant explain the feeling, I really can't. I just started to speak in this different language and everybody around me put their hands on me and was praying, and I was just knocked back by the force of the Spirit.

I'm tellin' ya, its REAL. I didn't think it was real either, just some hokey pokey thing people on TV do. But if you can be possed by the devil, you can be possed by the Holy Spirit.

Its a heavenly language that only God understands. Satan CANNOT understand your prayers in tounges. When you dont know how to pray, tounges helps out a lot. It comes straight from your soul, your heart.

I'll post scripture later, but it may already be posted. I didn't read the first 3 pages!!

God bless

 

[inHisgrip]

Speaking in tongues is biblical. I think it is seen less often these days. What really concerns me though, is the things I have seen in these forums where people tell new believers or non believers that you have to speak in tongues, or that they don't have the Spirit until they do.
When we give our lives to Him, He gives us His Spirit.
In Him

 

[shawn_h76]

I personally speak in tongues all the time . I do not know what im saying, and iI do sound like a Indian but its qutie nice.
Paul says this,


1 Corinthians 14
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

There is no such thing as people speaking in demonic tongues. The devil wants to make people think some people speak in demonic tongues, but he is a liar! Whoever says this, please ask them for evidence in the sciprutres.

Also, tongues is not evidence of receveing the Holy Ghost. Tongues is not right after the baptisim is the holy spirit. Every born again believer is baptized in the holy spirit(look up john3:3-5), that doesn't mean they have to speak in tongues.

 

[Freelander]

Hey everyone, I'm new! Tongues is an interesting subject to me. I attend a church of Christ, and no one in my Church (or any other church of Christ in my county) has ever spoken in tongues. Why is this? I know it can't be because we haven't "fully opened" our hearts to God. Our church is FILLED with super-religious people who dedicated every breathing second to the Lord, yet none of them have been given the "gift of tongues." Why is this? And I myself have prayed passionately many times before yet have never experienced anything similar to tongues. If this is such a gift, then why haven't I received it?

 

[sunshinejennii]

Maybe its not what you are meant to have! Maybe you can serve the Lord better with another gift, im sure he has gifted you with something.

 

[9-iron]

I attend a church of Christ, and no one in my Church (or any other church of Christ in my county) has ever spoken in tongues.

I met a guy on a church recreat last year. When he left the retreat he was praying in tongues and dancing. He only problem was he didn't feel he could go back to the Church of Christ he was a member.

 

[Iosias]

I know that further down in Corinthians 13 it aludes to tongues ceasing, but in context it appears to me to mean they will cease at the second coming of Christ.

Shew me!

 

[Iosias]

If this is such a gift, then why haven't I received it?

Because it has ceased!

 

[Asaph]

Shew me!

You show me one scripture that says spiritual gifts have ceased! There is only ONE scripture that even indicates that spiritual gifts WILL cease, but in order to claim that the time for ceasing has arrived you MUST prove that Jesus has returned to earth. And I mean prove from the scriptures.

I will give you this in the hopes that you can at least see that your eisegesis of the following scripture is in no way valid:

1 Cor 13:8-11
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
NKJV

1 Cor 13:8-13
In the remaining verses the permanence of love is expounded. Love, unlike the gifts of prophecy, tongues, and knowledge, never fails, nor ceases its activity. The AV is weak in verse 8, being guilty of rendering two different Greek words by the same English word fail, as well as one Greek word occurring twice by two different English words, fail and vanish away. Fortunately the sense is not greatly affected by the variations. The point of verse 8 is that there will come a time when the gifts mentioned will be done away with, or cease.
Verse 9-10. The for introduces the explanation of why the gifts will pass away. A time of perfected knowledge and prophecy is coming. 10. That which is perfect cannot be a reference to the completion of the canon of Scripture; otherwise we now, living in the age of the completed canon, would see more clearly than Paul did (v. 9). Even the most self-satisfied and opinionated of theologians would hardly admit that. The coming of that which is perfect can only be a reference to the Lord's second coming. That event will mark the end of the exercise of prophecy, tongues, and knowledge.
(from The Wycliffe Bible Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1962 by Moody Press)

1 Cor 13:8
[There be tongues] The power of speaking foreign languages.
[They shall cease] Macknight supposes this means that they shall cease in the church after the gospel shall have been preached to all nations. But the more natural interpretation is, to refer it to the future life; since the main idea which Paul is urging here is the value of love above all other endowments, from the fact that it would be "abiding," or permanent-an idea which is more certainly and fully met by a reference to the future world than by a reference to the state of things in the church on earth. If it refers to heaven, it means that the power of communicating thoughts there will not be by the medium of learned and foreign tongues. What will be the mode is unknown. But as the diversity of tongues is one of the fruits of sin (Gen 11), it is evident that in those who are saved there will be deliverance from all the disadvantages which have resulted from the confusion of tongues. Yet LOVE will not cease to be necessary; and LOVE will live forever.
(from Barnes' Notes, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1997 by Biblesoft)

1 Cor 13:10
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
[But when that which is perfect is come] Does come; or shall come. This proposition is couched in a general form. It means that when anything which is perfect is seen or enjoyed, then that which is imperfect is forgotten, laid aside, or vanishes. Thus, in the full and perfect light of day, the imperfect and feeble light of the stars vanishes. The sense here is, that "in heaven" - a state of absolute perfection-that which is "in part," or which is imperfect, shall be lost in superior brightness. All imperfection will vanish. And all that we here possess that is obscure shall be lost in the superior and perfect glory of that eternal world. All our present unsatisfactory modes of obtaining knowledge shall be unknown. All shall be clear, bright, and eternal.
(from Barnes' Notes, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1997 by Biblesoft)



You are espousing an entire doctrine on ONE verse of scripture, and I believe on a misinterpretation of that scripture. If you are wrong about this AV1611, where would that leave you? Does your salvation rest on this? NO! I don't believe so. But if I'm right that the spiritual gifts are for our time, (and I am), wouldn't your walk with Jesus be more personal and rich?

As for me, I will trust the Lord.

Grace, Mercy, and great Joy to you today,
Asaph

 

[Iosias]

You show me one scripture that says spiritual gifts have ceased! There is only ONE scripture that even indicates that spiritual gifts WILL cease, but in order to claim that the time for ceasing has arrived you MUST prove that Jesus has returned to earth.
1 Cor 13:8-11 "Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away."
NKJV

But lets look more closer to the text. Especially "For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away."

Where is tongues referred to here i.e. the perfect comming is the end point of knowledge and prophesy! Tongues will have ceased before the perfect comes! So you are wrong when you say that "to claim that the time for ceasing has arrived you MUST prove that Jesus has returned to earth" because this is the end point of prophesy and knowledge!

Therefore we know when prophesy and knowledge will be complete i.e. when the perfect comes however this is NOT when tongues cease! You were attempting to make the text say more than it does. So the question is "when did tongues cease?"

The answer to this is simple: Miracles, of which tongues was but one, were a sign-gift to the Apostles and to Jesus and the 70 disciples inorder to authenticate themselves and their message. e.g.

Acts 2:22 "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:"

Hebrews 2:3-4 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Mark 16:20 "Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it."

There are many more Biblical references that shew clearly that these sign gifts were tied to the apostles and to Jesus and the 70 disciples. This links in with 1 Cor 13 where we know that the sign-gifts will cease and when scripture was canonised there was now no longer need for Miracles incl: tongues and so they stopped. There are only 3 perods where God has used miracles and these occurred ONLY at times when He made NEW REVELATION! This has stopped and so have the sign-gifts!!

 

[Asaph]

Acts 2:22 "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:"

Hebrews 2:3-4 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Mark 16:20 "Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it."

AV, not one of those scriptures says that the gift of speaking in tongues has ceased. Show me where the scripture says tongues have ceased.

Asaph

 

[Iosias]

AV, not one of those scriptures says that the gift of speaking in tongues has ceased. Show me where the scripture says tongues have ceased.

Asaph

If you do not mind I will change the direction of this thread and say this: Tell me what the purpose of tongues was/is? (answer it and we can move on easier! Humor me!) Also you could stop the debate here and come here: http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=8595829&posted=1#post8595829 where the same debate is going on...it will save me some time!!

 

[tesnusxenos]

Mostly I use tongues when I do not know how to pray in a specific situation. sometimes (often) I will feel the need to pray for a person or situation and have no idea what is really going on in that situation. so I pray in tongues. Sometimes I will just pray and walk and I find myself praying in tongues and my heart will be burdened for some person or situation or person and I just keep praying till I feel a peace. Romans 8
25But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will. (NIV)
Romans 8
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Romans 8
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.(KJV)

 

[Iosias]

Mostly I use tongues when I do not know how to pray in a specific situation.

Do you understand what you say when you do?

 

[tesnusxenos]

no,"for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
But, The Spirit knows.

 

[cat has felt the light!]

I believe it is biblical and that it is a great gift, but that ppl shouldn't be encouraged to force themselves to speak in tongues God chooses, who gets what gift at what time!
C@ xx

 

[Iosias]

no,"for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
But, The Spirit knows.

The passage you quote is about prayer in general!!

Answer this honestly: If you do not know what you are saying, how do you know it comes from God? Could it not have come from the Devil?

 

[Iosias]

I believe it is biblical and that it is a great gift...

I agree...however it ceased a very long time ago!! Read John MacArthur's The Charismatics or his Commentary on 1 Corinthians.

 

[cat has felt the light!]

I agree...however it ceased a very long time ago!! Read John MacArthur's The Charismatics or his Commentary on 1 Corinthians.

hmmm can't say I agree but I'll read the book ok?
C@ xx

 

[Asaph]

The passage you quote is about prayer in general!!

Answer this honestly: If you do not know what you are saying, how do you know it comes from God? Could it not have come from the Devil?

Now you have gone too far! Who are you to decide what God can and cannot do? Who are you to say that God would not protect His very own children from such a thing if it was from the enemy?

Your God is such a weakling that He would let His own kids be beat about so?

I've answered you honestly! I therefore have all the right in the universe to question your weak, manmade god!

You went too far in suggesting that tongues is a work of the devil.

Asaph