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Do you believe that the bible is the inspired Word of God?"who is the authority on where the dividing line is for which part to take literally and which part to not take seriously?"
All Scripture should be taken seriously but the answer to your question is:
The community by whom and for whom the Scriptures were written, the Church.
I am listening. I am just inquisitive. You need to understand that I am completely foreign to your world view. It is like day and night. My goal is to understand other religions so I can be a better witness for Christ. To me it is all about Jesus Christ. On the other hand, If you don't have patience for my questions just don't respond. I won't be offended. To me, it is better for me to learn here than to read a website that says this and that. I admit I have to say that I have learned a lot. Jokingly, I have also learned that orthodox Christian's don't have patience.I don't believe the bible fell out of the sky as we know it today, and then the Church came about after that. Christ is the Word of God, that is in whom I put my faith.
the Nicene Creed states "I believe (I trust, put my faith in) One God, the Father, almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible." Not in a book, authoritative and inspired as it is.
Are you going to actually listen to us, or are you just going to repeat the same things over and over again?
I believe the bible is to be read in context. However, allow me to say that the bible was not entirely written by the church nor was it written only for the church. God's word is a light that all may see and repent.Greg is simply and rightly pointing out the need for context. The Bible was written by the Church and for the Church. Inspired and totally infallible to be true, but the only way you know you are reading it correctly is if you are in the Body that can interpret it.
Greg is not questioning the Bible's infallibility, but rather your interpretation of the Bible
That is what I find so interesting about this conversation. It is like night and day, I can't see how Mary is said to be the mother of God is in the right context. It looks like something has been added. However, I believe the comment earlier about Jewish kings and their mothers makes sense but I believe even that is a stretch because something so important should have been expressly said in the new testament. Even the letter from St. Ignatius does not even mention such a thing. So as far as being out of context, I have not added anything. I simply take God's Word as it is.How the devil do you even get that out of that C.S. Lewis quote?
The Bible is 100% about context and the correct interpretive lens.
I am listen. You are not listening to me. Just because someone says it, does not mean that I should just naively accept it. Show me. If you go back and see, you will see I put scriptures in my post to prove my point. Most of what I am getting is Love you are out of context and you are wrong and yada yada yada. Don't assume that I am not listening, prove me wrong. Then I will shut up.See the responses from Armymatt and shemaiden4christ, and you'll see why I asked you if you are going to actually listen to what we are saying.
It has nothing to do with my patience or lack thereof, but from how you respond to what we say.
You are not showing a willingness to learn, despite your claim otherwise.
I don't believe the bible fell out of the sky as we know it today, and then the Church came about after that. Christ is the Word of God, that is in whom I put my faith.
the Nicene Creed states "I believe (I trust, put my faith in) One God, the Father, almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth and of all things visible and invisible." Not in a book, authoritative and inspired as it is.
Are you going to actually listen to us, or are you just going to repeat the same things over and over again?
The Catholic must.
Although the Bible did not literally fall from the sky we are informed by and through it that the doctrines of God do fall lake rain from heaven. It is the character of the water of the word.
This is to help understated the differences between doctrines of God, His Tradition from those of men as their traditions. God will not share his glory with men in that way, called the confederacy
Creeds show the doctrines of men as traditions thereof or what the scriptures refer to as private interpretation. They are not the source of faith by which we can hear God's voice through his interpretation, the one non private witness of God, the Bible that he calls the book of the law.
I think we must remember God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form. It's God's word that cannot return void of the purpose he sends it and we must obey it and not some philosophical opinion as a theory. But it is God's perfect law that he informs us it does quicken our souls, giving us simply ones His understanding. In lieu of that it warns of those who say we do need a man to teach us. He calls them the antichrists who do insist we do need a man to teach us.
Paul testified that, "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all," 1 Corinthians 14:18. How do you interpret this? How many languages did he speak or how many languages were he referring too?
Citation needed? (Preferably a citation that makes sense from the collective understandings of Christianity since its inception, not some post-Reformation hogwash.)
The fifteenth century reformation as a paradigm follows the same as the first century reformation or what you call hogwash.
We are not to worship disembodied workers with familiar spirits that the Catholic according to the law of their fathers (not our Holy Father in heaven) must call patron saints, gods. Worshiping of disembodied spirits that have no from to behold is a faith principle reserved for our Father in heaven alone. The saints that do leave this realm under the sun no longer have any part in anything that does occur here.
Citation needed? (Preferably a citation that makes sense from the collective understandings of Christianity since its inception, not some post-Reformation hogwash.)
The Tradition of God.....My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
The opposing the tradition of the law of the fathers on earthly conspired from their own minds.
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men
Citation needed? (Preferably a citation that makes sense from the collective understanding of Christianity since its inception, not some post-Reformation hogwash.)
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