Spare the rod.

[Tallguy88]

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[Bluelion]

Why are you speaking about me again when we agreed not to address each other but the topic?

umm you asked why i said you would not get it, now your just baiting me.

 

[tall73]

umm you asked why i said you would not get it, now your just baiting me.

Because you started talking about what I would get, which is not on the topic.

 

[Bluelion]

Because you started talking about what I would get, which is not on the topic.

ok well I am not discussion it any more i just will not post to you any more. thanks have a nice day

And you asked me to go off topic and to explain it to you. Also you went way off topic with the whole eat thing it was about the rod. We both did, so if your going to point fingers take responsibility as well.

 

[tall73]

Btw Jesus did not whip people as He was whipped, most likely He used it on the animals.

Joh_2:15 And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables.


He drove the people out. They were driven out with the sheep and oxen.

This is particularly noticeable in the Greek where "all" is plural masculine, but sheep is plural neuter ( πρόβατ&#945. As you would have gender agreement if it were referring to the sheep we see that the sheep and oxen are not what is referred to by "all.".

It is the people that are referred to. So while we agree it does not say explicitly that he struck a person, it does say that He made the whip and drove out the people.

He also overturned tables. Why do you suppose he made the whip to drive out the men?

 

[rdclmn72]

Thanks Emmy.

 

[The Lorax]

Those who say that using corporal punishment is wrong because they raised a kid without it and they turned out alright is akin to saying that using seat belts is wrong because they know someone who survived a car crash that would have killed them had they been wearing one.

 

[JM]

And here we go...

 

[AgapeBible]

Perhaps Jesus was against animal abuse, just like he is against child abuse, because the priests planned to sacrifice the animals to God, and it says in Isaiah God is sick of the blood of bulls and rams.


Jesus said, "Suffer the little children to come unto me, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to them. Those who cause a little child to stumble and sin, it would be better for them to have a millstone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea." Remember that the next time you are tempted to strike your child.

Growing up in the 1980's and 1990's, my Baptist parents were a lot stricter than most other kids' parents. They were strict because they love me. My parents used spanking. It is true that a lot of parents spank out of anger. They grew up in southern baptist households where their own parents spanked them. If I ever have children of my own, which I doubt I will, I will break the cycle. I will never strike my children. There are other ways of punishment that are much better.


When my parents spanked me, they did more than hurt me physically, they hurt me emotionally, and my sister suffered much worse than I, she was disrespectful and openly defiant, she was the one that got spanked the most, I was rarely spanked. She was shy and nerdy in school and made better grades than I did however. I think I suffered more from the horrible kids in school picking on me than I did from my parents' punishment.


Do any of you remember cartoons where bad performers were yanked off the stage with a shepherd's crook? That's what the staff and rod is used for, to yank the sheep away from the cliff. The shepherd's staff or crook has the hook shape to pull the sheep away from danger and keep them in line.

I do not think my parents were abusive, they wanted what is best for me and my sister, and on the whole they might have spoiled us. I did have a good childhood, because my parents were thrifty we had money for more important things like vacations and holiday presents.

 

[AgapeBible]

To raise a child without discipline is child abuse. It is a shame the schools are not allowed to discipline children these days, they get away with a lot. I really don't know what schools are doing these days because I don't have children. My mom says children need to be taught manners, nobody cares about manners these days. To scream, holler, cry loudly in a public place is rude and offensive. I understand if a baby cries it usually needs something, but toddlers should be taught to be quiet and not scream. kids are so loud these days. My mom never let me scream like that when I was a kid. people take their kids with them everywhere these days, don't they know to get a babysitter sometimes?

 

[Avid]

I'd rather get a whipping than read through all this mess.

This is likely true for most of us.

Without reading ALL of the responses, let me offer these verses. There may be more later, as I am seeking a specific passage to add to the discussion.

Proverbs 22
15 ¶ Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Proverbs 23
13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Proverbs 29
15 ¶ The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
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The beatings are to prevent the death of a disobedient child under the law, and the eternal death stipulated for breaking the Commandments of God throughout the remainder of his life.
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[Hetta]

Nowadays corporal punishment will get you into trouble.
The bible is clear about using and sparing the rod.
Yet what does it mean to use the rod?

Rods are used to punish, they are also used to measure, a concept seen in both Ezekiel and Revelations.
Measuring...examining...determining...all the same general concept.
If you take that into account, you then know that you have more options, that on the basis of knowledge you are now accountable for seeking options before dealing with kids.

The rod is also used to comfort (Psalm 23).

There are other rods than physical or verbal violence, other corrections and punishments and ways to set a child on his or her right path. We have never spanked our kids ever, and they have grown up very well. They are excellent students, considerate human beings, and good friends to others.

I'm proud that we never used a literal rod on them.

 

[Hetta]

This is likely true for most of us.

Without read ALL of the responses, let me off these verses. There may be more later, as I am seeking a specific passage to add to the discussion.

Proverbs 22
15 ¶ Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Proverbs 23
13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Proverbs 29
15 ¶ The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
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The beatings are to prevent this death, and the eternal death stipulated for breaking the Fifth Commandment
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If you beat a child, you will be jailed and your child taken from you and given to a better parent to be raised. "Beating" shouldn't even be a part of the discussion, here or anywhere else.

 

[Avid]

Let me ask this...why a whip? Could the same have not been achieved by other means?

This was an impromptu thing fashioned with things that were close at hand. If He used a dozen small cords, and hit someone anywhere, but the face, it would hardly sting. It would, however, get a clear point across. There is great shame in being beaten with a whip in a public place as it is typical for punishing petty offenses of misbehavior.

This was intended to bring shame, and not bodily harm, as some may suspect. That would be the specific intent if a scourge of typical construction was used across the person's bare back!
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[Avid]

If you beat a child, you will be jailed and your child taken from you and given to a better parent to be raised. "Beating" shouldn't even be a part of the discussion, here or anywhere else.

This is today's society, but OBVIOUSLY NOT that of ancient Israel, and CERTAINLY NOT the time of my upbringing.

I was spanked often (almost daily - I really was quite a stupid child) and even spanked in school by the principle. IT TRULY GOT THEIR POINT ACROSS TO ME. My first grade teacher would hit me with one of those huge pencils we used back then.

My grandmothers were both very even tempered and wonderful Christian people. I thought my one grandmother was just too nice to spank me, but once, when I was staying with the grandparents at the age of 3, I disobeyed her too many times, and she gave me a good spanking with a flyswatter!

This 4'-9" grandmother used to tell my cousins how she had spanked their Daddy (former Duke football player,) and she could spank them, too.
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[Hetta]

This is today's society, but OBVIOUSLY NOT that of ancient Israel, and CERTAINLY NOT the time of my upbringing.

Beating a child is evil. Period.

 

[Avid]

The rod is also used to comfort (Psalm 23)...

The Rod of correction, and the staff of direction are a comfort to people who lean not to their own understanding.

Proverbs 3
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Deuteronomy 8
5 Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.

Proverbs 13
24 ¶ He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Hebrews 12
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
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BTW, "Betimes" means EARLY, or before it is too late.
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[Hetta]

And again, there are other "rods". There are disciplinary tools that are not physical and/or verbal abuse. Children can be - and should be - raised without violence.

 

[Avid]

Beating a child is evil. Period.

It is not EVIL to love your children enough to turn them from wickedness, regardless of what that may require.

Have heard many preachers say something like what I mentioned about my upbringing. Theirs was as severe, or MORE SO. They have THANKED GOD that their parents turned them this way, and that there were spankings they deserved that they did not get.
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[Hetta]

It is not EVIL to love your children enough to turn them from wickedness, regardless of what that may require.

Have heard many preachers say something like what I mentioned about my upbringing. Theirs was as severe, or MORE SO. They have THANKED GOD that their parents turned them this way, and that there were spankings they deserved that they did not get.
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Do you know that caps is considered to be shouting?

It is evil to beat a child. Not to mention, an utter failure on the part of the parent.