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This was in Dawkins' book "The God Delusion." (taken from an atheist www)

New Ten Commandments
Can you answer where (or to whom) these New Ten Commandments are to take you?

I can with the real Ten Commandments, in one word, and back it up with a verse --- let's see your answer, backed up in writing - (if that's not asking too much).
 
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This was in Dawkins' book "The God Delusion." (taken from an atheist www)

New Ten Commandments

Do not do to others what you would not want to do to you.

In all things, strive to cause no harm.

Treat your fellow human beings, your fellow living things, and the world in general with love, honesty, faithfulness and respect.

Do not overlook evil or shrink from administering justice, but always be ready to forgive wrongdoing freely admitted and honestly regretted.

Live life with a sense of joy and wonder.

Always seek to be learning something new.

Test all things; always check your ideas against the facts, and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them.

Never censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you.

Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others.

Question everything.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:


Although I've always kinda liked George Carlin's take on it....


From "Complaints and Grievances":

Here is my problem with the ten commandments- why exactly are there 10?

You simply do not need ten. The list of ten commandments was artificially and deliberately inflated to get it up to ten. Here's what happened:

About 5,000 years ago a bunch of religious and political hustlers got together to try to figure out how to control people and keep them in line. They knew people were basically stupid and would believe anything they were told, so they announced that God had given them some commandments, up on a mountain, when no one was around.

Well let me ask you this- when they were making this [stuff] up, why did they pick 10? Why not 9 or 11? I'll tell you why- because 10 sound official. Ten sounds important! Ten is the basis for the decimal system, it's a decade, it's a psychologically satisfying number (the top ten, the ten most wanted, the ten best dressed). So having ten commandments was really a marketing decision! It is clearly a [bogus] list. It's a political document artificially inflated to sell better. I will now show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that's a little more workable and logical. I am going to use the Roman Catholic version because those were the ones I was taught as a little boy.

Let's start with the first three:

I AM THE LORD THY GOD THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME

THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN

THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH

Right off the bat the first three are pure [bogus]. Sabbath day? Lord's name? strange gods? Spooky language! Designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious nonsense like this apply to the lives of intelligent civilized humans in the 21st century. So now we're down to 7. Next:

HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER

Obedience, respect for authority. Just another name for controlling people. The truth is that obedience and respect shouldn't be automatic. They should be earned and based on the parent's performance. Some parents deserve respect, but most of them don't, period. You're down to six.

Now in the interest of logic, something religion is very uncomfortable with, we're going to jump around the list a little bit.

THOU SHALT NOT STEAL

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS

Stealing and lying. Well actually, these two both prohibit the same kind of behavior- dishonesty. So you don't really need two you combine them and call the commandment "thou shalt not be dishonest". And suddenly you're down to 5.

And as long as we're combining I have two others that belong together:

THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY

THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE

Once again, these two prohibit the same type of behavior. In this case it is marital infidelity. The difference is- coveting takes place in the mind. But I don't think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else's wife because what is a guy gonna think about when he's [entertaining himself]? But, marital fidelity is a good idea so we're gonna keep this one and call it "thou shalt not be unfaithful". And suddenly we're down to four.

But when you think about it, honesty and infidelity are really part of the same overall value so, in truth, you could combine the two honesty commandments with the two fidelity commandments and give them simpler language, positive language instead of negative language and call the whole thing "thou shalt always be honest and faithful" and we're down to 3.

THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S GOODS

This one is just plain [freakin'] stupid. Coveting your neighbor's goods is what keeps the economy going! Your neighbor gets a [toy] that plays "o come o ye faithful", and you want one too! Coveting creates jobs, so leave it alone. You throw out coveting and you're down to 2 now- the big honesty and fidelity commandment and the one we haven't talked about yet:

THOU SHALT NOT KILL

Murder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a big problem with murder. More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland, Cashmire, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the World Trade Center to see how seriously the religious folks take thou shalt not kill. The more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable. It depends on who's doin the killin' and who's gettin' killed. So, with all of this in mind, I give you my revised list of the two commandments:

Thou shalt always be honest and faithful to the provider of thy nookie.

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Thou shalt try real hard not to kill anyone, unless of course they pray to a different invisible man than you pray to.

Two is all you need; Moses could have carried them down the hill in his [freakin'] pocket. I wouldn't mind those folks in Alabama posting them on the courthouse wall, as long as they provided one additional commandment:

Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.

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Can you answer where (or to whom) these New Ten Commandments are to take you?

I can with the real Ten Commandments, in one word, and back it up with a verse --- let's see your answer, backed up in writing - (if that's not asking too much).

Based on the same book that those commandments were from... I would say they are designed to "take you" happily through life until you die. ;):thumbsup:
 
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Can you answer where (or to whom) these New Ten Commandments are to take you?

I can with the real Ten Commandments, in one word, and back it up with a verse --- let's see your answer, backed up in writing - (if that's not asking too much).
I'm not sure I understand your question. Could you clarify?
 
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Based on the same book that those commandments were from... I would say they are designed to "take you" happily through life until you die. ;):thumbsup:
That's six words --- and not backed in writing from that book.
 
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Can you answer where (or to whom) these New Ten Commandments are to take you?

I can with the real Ten Commandments, in one word, and back it up with a verse --- let's see your answer, backed up in writing - (if that's not asking too much).
No, noooooo..... not a verse.
 
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No, noooooo..... not a verse.
Why?

You presented a passage from your bible --- can't I do the same with mine?

The only thing is though, and I'll admit, I haven't read this book, is that I'll surmise that this Dawkins, whoever he is, can't do with those 10 Commandments what Paul did.

Watch this ---
Galatians 3:24 said:
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
So, I'll ask again --- what does this Dawkins character say in his book that is the equivalent of Galatians 3:24?

Or, as I suspect, is he just pulling these "New Ten Commandments" out of his head?
 
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That's six words --- and not backed in writing from that book.

Umm... yeah, it is. Try reading it. One of the central themes of the book is that mankind does not need the belief in god in order to lead a happy and productive life. Quite the contrary, Dawkins repeatedly makes the argument that such belief is actually detrimental to a happy and productive life.


Watch this ---So, I'll ask again --- what does this Dawkins character say in his book that is the equivalent of Galatians 3:24?

Or, as I suspect, is he just pulling these "New Ten Commandments" out of his head?

Well of course he is! The only difference is that he's honest about it. ^_^^_^

(edit: oh, and for the record, "pulling idea's out of [one's] head" is pretty much the description of ANY philosopher. Unless you honestly believe Socrates was channeling god when he stated "As for me, all I know is that I know nothing".)
 
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I'll bet CABAL knows --- don't you, CABAL?

After all, that's basic theology, isn't it?

What exactly are you implying? I know a lot more than you give me credit for - even if we arrive at different conclusions.

You're on your own, AV.
 
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Umm... yeah, it is. Try reading it. One of the central themes of the book is that mankind does not need the belief in god in order to lead a happy and productive life. Quite the contrary, Dawkins repeatedly makes the argument that such belief is actually detrimental to a happy and productive life.
Then what?

After divorcing one from the Ten Commandments, he gives ten of his own?

That's as bad as Promise Keepers --- after we prove we can't keep the 10 commandments that God gave us, PK heaps about 8 more promises on us to keep.
 
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What exactly are you implying? I know a lot more than you give me credit for - even if we arrive at different conclusions.

You're on your own, AV.
I already answered it for you here: 232.

Looks like you didn't even recognize it when you stepped over it.

Someone needs a course in Basic Theology, do they?
 
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Then what?

After divorcing one from the Ten Commandments, he gives ten of his own?

That's as bad as Promise Keepers --- after we prove we can't keep the 10 commandments that God gave us, PK heaps about 8 more promises on us to keep.

Differences:

Dawkins doesn't claim his "commandments" are from god.

Dawkins doesn't claim his "commandments" will lead to salvation in the afterlife.


It's simply a set of guidelines to a happy life... one that was written as a contrast to the 10 commandments in the bible.

:doh::doh::doh:
 
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Differences:

Dawkins doesn't claim his "commandments" are from god.

Dawkins doesn't claim his "commandments" will lead to salvation in the afterlife.


It's simply a set of guidelines to a happy life... one that was written as a contrast to the 10 commandments in the bible.

:doh::doh::doh:
Dawkins can take a hike.

Unless you can show me, from his documentation, where (or to whom) these made-up commandments are to lead, please don't try to impress me with them, or I'll do what I do best --- put your junk philosophy through a sharp, two-edged Shredder.
 
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