Something doesn't feel right about BLM

[BNR32FAN]

Meaningless. Sorry. But if you want to talk about poverty and ethnicity you have to talk about them in relation to their proportion of the population.

In other words: OF WHITE PEOPLE what percentage are in poverty? OF BLACK PEOPLE what percentage are in poverty?

Here's your answer:

Source: Poverty Facts

Now, I'll explain to you why this consideratiOn is IMPORTANT. Because in America there are MORE WHITE PEOPLE THAN BLACK PEOPLE by a LONG SHOT. Black people only make up less than 15% of the US population. So OF COURSE there's more white people in poverty. But the key is that there's a HIGHER RATE OF BLACK POVERTY THAN WHITE POVERTY.

Ok I get it, nobody cares about the whites in poverty because there’s not a large enough percentage. When the percentage increases then it will become a result of racism?

 

[istodolez]

I do not speak to anyone's back.

Then please stop misrepresenting me.

I held the snare out right in front of you, and you walked right into it. Man Im stupid...

I'm not saying you are stupid, but you said I was a Republican and you said I thought I didn't have any privilege. You were 100% perfectly wrong on both counts.

You can make of it what you will, but you seem to be arguing with someone else, not me.

 

[istodolez]

I read every post, in every thread I am a part of.

Didn't do so good on this one, though.

Let me simplify this... do Democrats and blacks themselves share in the blame for racist actions in America?

White people support the system that is inherently biased to help white people. This is called "white privilege". Black people for sure can help themselves. But the whole point is it is "systemic" meaning that the people who enjoy the privilege and who are the majority and help maintain the status quo have the lion's share of the work to do.

No one suggests black people can't help themselves out. That's an insipid argument.

 

[istodolez]

Ok I get it, nobody cares about the whites in poverty because there’s not a large enough percentage.

This must be a really confusing topic for you. No one said that. No one even came CLOSE to saying that. This is about systemic racism and a discussion of black poverty RATE.

Why is this so hard for you? I am not a great mathematician myself, but gosh ahmighty you need to slow your roll there a little bit and think through the arguments.

When the percentage increases then it will become a result of racism?

-sigh- What is the point? Why are you resistant to engaging in the topic on an intellectual level?

 

[LostMarbels]

Then please stop misrepresenting me.

I'm not misrepresenting you and I'm not stopping a single thing. Shoot straight and I will stop side stepping you. Right now you keep coming at me like the water boy on a rage tackle, and I'm able to just step to the side. Zoom... goes flying.

I'm not saying you are stupid, but you said I was a Republican and you said I thought I didn't have any privilege. You were 100% perfectly wrong on both counts.

You can make of it what you will, but you seem to be arguing with someone else, not me.

Why were you talking about oranges earlier?

No one suggests black people can't help themselves out. That's an insipid argument.

I didn't ask that. Why won't you give a definitive answer?

Do Democrats and blacks themselves share in the blame for racist actions in current day America?

 

[istodolez]

I'm not misrepresenting you and I'm not stopping a single thing.

LOL. The record stands.

Shoot straight and I will stop side stepping you. Right now you keep coming at me like the water boy on a rage tackle, and I'm able to just step to the side. Zoom... goes flying.

When you misrepresent my position (you said I don't think I have privilege which is wrong, you said I am a Republican, which is wrong).

Why were you talking about oranges earlier?

-sigh-

I didn't ask that. Why won't you give a definitive answer?

I answered your question. I did, however, ignore the "Democrats" thing because I lack a good example like the Republican voter ID laws. Those are pretty racist at their core. I'm sure the dems are responsible for more than their fair share of something. Not sure if I can dig up a quick example for you.

Do Democrats and blacks themselves share in the blame for racist actions in current day America?

Asked and answered now.

PLEASE READ. That is the thing you do when you look at the post BEFORE you hit "Post Reply". Pro-Tip!

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Cut the crap about going to Collage, as though that is the problem.

Not everyone has to go to Collage, I never did. I worked at 20 different unrelated jobs, always looking for better pay.

My lack of education cut me off from the better paying jobs I wanted, but I got the best I could get with what I had.

People need to start where they are, OH ---- I don't have a Collage education therefore I won't take any other job offered.

How do you eradicate Systemic Racism, what's the solution that will cause things to become better in the black communities.

The only way for that to take place is to change all of Society, the best way to change the black community is to Educate it, regardless of what Society is doing.

You don't get pulled out of poverty, by the benevolence of others,(Government) you climb out of it by yourself.

Empowerment, how do you empower someone, anyone,- - - Education.

Are whites more productive, why because they are white, because of Systemic Racism, No, because per capita they are better and higher Educated than their counterparts in the Black communities.

Don't get me wrong, education is not the only problem in the black communities, but it IS the only logical stating point.

No need to get aggressive about it. When you're vague and non-specific, people make assumptions. We've talked about college in this thread before, so I assumed that's what you were referring to. Since you didn't clarify this time either, would you care to elaborate on what education you feel blacks are lacking (and, presumably, whites recieve)?

 

[LostMarbels]

White people support the system that is inherently biased to help white people. This is called "white privilege".

I know... you keep telling me... but for some odd reason you will not name this 'system'. Look hard enough you just might find all of this is based on continuing to control an emancipated labor force that individuals never allowed to actually be freed.

They were feared. So Dems pass gun legislation so former slaves didn't have an armed rebellion.

Billy Bob Joe didn't like the idea that the man he previously 'owned' could now all of a sudden vote against him. So they created a group to suppress them.

Now all of a sudden these people found out they actually had to pay blacks to work. So enters black codes, vagrancy laws... blacks were not allowed to work the fields anymore in a lot of areas/states. Now they had to be paid, and that was competition to decent southern white folk.

I mean you act like I am ignorant of these things. What do you think a chain gang is? Create a bunch of legislation you know the black community (former slaves) cannot follow/achieve, lock them up, put em on a chain and send em back to the fields.

It's not 'slavery'. Still got your free labor force tho.

It was all about keeping former slaves in check. It just never stopped.

 

[JIMINZ]

No need to get aggressive about it. When you're vague and non-specific, people make assumptions. We've talked about college in this thread before, so I assumed that's what you were referring to. Since you didn't clarify this time either, would you care to elaborate on what education you feel blacks are lacking (and, presumably, whites recieve)?

Completion of High School Diploma, which isn't a good indicator because, blacks are pushed through the system just to get them out the door.

What I am talking about is being held accountable as a student, there not in the Public School System.

 

[LostMarbels]

Talking about chain gangs, this is a good vid.

Nope... he's not a slave, he is a 'criminal'. Do you honestly not see what this 'systemic' racism within our government is all about? Well who instituted it? Who wrote the legislation? Your white next door neighbor down the street? A statue sitting in a lawn?

There are people currently in office, that have been in office longer than some of us have been alive. 40 to 60 + years. Nothing has ever been done about it. Please quit blaming me because of my own skin color.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Completion of High School Diploma, which isn't a good indicator because, blacks are pushed through the system just to get them out the door.

What I am talking about is being held accountable as a student, there not in the Public School System.

Do you have any stats to indicate that this is restricted to (or at least more common with) blacks? As far as I can tell, schools are pushing all students out since funding is tied, at least in part, to advancement rates and graduation rates. I'd say that it's likely that black students are overrepresented among the failing students, but that's a different issue. Are a greater percentage of failing black students passed vs. failing white students?

 

[Sparagmos]

They is in reference to blacks. My point was that if Latinos were the lower number would it be because of their skin color or if Asians were the lower number would it be because of their skin color? Skin color has nothing to do with the coincidence that blacks came in the lowest number of college graduates.

So, you think that blacks have lower motivation? Why do you think they have lower motivation?

 

[Sparagmos]

No there will be a difference when you separate statistics by race. They’ll be different every time. You can’t expect all races to have the exact same numbers across the board. That’s just ridiculous.

Yeah everyone can find plenty of excuses why they didn’t go to college but for those who actually wanted to and put in the effort to make it happen they have a degree not excuses.

So do you think that white people are more motivated and willing to put in the effort than blacks and Hispanics?

 

[istodolez]

I know... you keep telling me... but for some odd reason you will not name this 'system'. Look hard enough you just might find all of this is based on continuing to control an emancipated labor force that individuals never allowed to actually be freed.

They were feared. So Dems pass gun legislation so former slaves didn't have an armed rebellion.

Billy Bob Joe didn't like the idea that the man he previously 'owned' could now all of a sudden vote against him. So they created a group to suppress them.

Now all of a sudden these people found out they actually had to pay blacks to work. So enters black codes, vagrancy laws... blacks were not allowed to work the fields anymore in a lot of areas/states. Now they had to be paid, and that was competition to decent southern white folk.

I mean you act like I am ignorant of these things. What do you think a chain gang is? Create a bunch of legislation you know the black community (former slaves) cannot follow/achieve, lock them up, put em on a chain and send em back to the fields.

It's not 'slavery'. Still got your free labor force tho.

It was all about keeping former slaves in check. It just never stopped.

Ahhh, so I see you want to hang the current racial strife on the Democrat party based on the Democrat party of over 100 years ago. I sense you are Percival Dunwoody from 1909! Check your watch. It's the 21st century...the democrat party is NOTHING whatsoever like the segregationist democrats of 150 years ago.

One thing I DID forget (but you didn't catch) is that Clinton passed the crime bill that lead to a real amping up of the mass incarceration that is currently a significant problem. Of course that was ROUNDLY supported by the GOP.

Law and Order, dontcha know.

To Trump's credit, however, he is making moves toward dialing this excess back. When he's not actively working to keep more black people from voting using mail-in ballots. Oh yeah and he's also got a long personal history of bigotry and racism.

 

[rjs330]

I prefer percentages because that's the scientific way of doing things. It has nothing to do with my views.

Nobody has claimed that racism is THE cause of poverty. Many things cause poverty. However, the fact that minorities experience poverty at a much greater rate than whites suggests that there is a racial factor in play as well. Statistics tell us that if you are black, you are more than twice as likely to be poor than if you were white. Why do you think that is?

How do those numbers prove the reason blacks are poor is because of racism?

 

[rjs330]

Yes. Is that really so hard to imagine? Heck, I have trouble getting to the DMV sometimes, and I'm not hurting for money or transportation. The hours alone make it difficult.

It's a non issue. My answer is so? Go get an ID. They need an ID for alcohol, cigarettes, any government assistance. You have all year to figure it out. Life is hard. Get over it. If you want to vote get an ID. If you want something bad enough you'll get it. That's how us human beings are. There was a time in my life I was so poor I couldn't buy groceries. Yet I figured it out.

This whole "it's hard" business is nonsense. I'm not even talking about race here. I am talking life in general. We have it so easy in America. The poor are the richer than most people in the world. They have food and shelter, clothes and televisions. Most have a cell phone. So im not buying the "it's too hard" whine. I live about 20 miles from my nearest DMV. I can take a bus if I have to. Of course I have to walk 3 miles to get to one, but you know what. People do it every day.

Besides the ID laws have little effect on elections.

A major study finding that voter ID laws hurt minorities isn’t standing up well under scrutiny

Do voter ID laws reduce turnout among black Americans?

 

[cow451]

If you must misrepresent my position, please don't do it when I'm around.

My life is just fine. It's OTHERS lives that I'm worried about.
What??? What is your malfunction? Are you going to misrepresent me on EVERYTHING??? I never said I was a Republican! Sheesh! I'm a Liberal and a Dem.
Wow. Do you read anything for content?

The ignore button can be your friend. Just sayin’ .....

 

[rjs330]

This kind of obtuseness is hardly of any real value. I gave you and EXAMPLE and you ran and acted like it was the ONLY TOPIC.

Systemic racism is seldom "legislated" as such. But we DO have a "war on drugs" which seems to be quite focused on locking up black men. (I already recommended a book you can read...assuming you can or wish to actually engage in the topic). Oopsy...I don't mean to say that is the ONLY PROBLEM EITHER! Let me also point out the fact that we repeatedly have black people KILLED BY THE POLICE for minor offenses. How many white guys do YOU know that have been given the death penalty on the spot before a trial for selling loose cigarettes? How many white guys have you seen on national TV killed by the police over a counterfeit $20?

I'll wait for your answer.



WHO ON EARTH SAID I WASN'T PRIVILEGED??? What is your problem? I didn't say that. OF COURSE I'm privileged. I'm a cis-gender, straight white male in the USA. That's the PICTURE of privilege.

Please do not compound your little game by misrepresenting things people say.

Then maybe whomever is doing or dealing the drugs should stop? That might actually keep them out of jail.

No one was given a death penalty for selling loose cigarettes or passing a phony $20. That's just typical left wing rhetoric.

There have been plenty of unarmed white people killed by police. But you don't hear a peep out the media or the left on that.

I tried to do a google search on white people killed by police and I got page after page of black people killed but it's funny I got little to nothing about white people even though more whites are killed by police.

Then we get the nonsense that police are all racist while ignoring the fact that black officers are more likely to shoot a black man than white officers are.

 

[Strathos]

But not only is that not true

It is true. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...166948-976a-11e9-830a-21b9b36b64ad_story.html

, there is a constant deflection from Democrats concerning any liability. They want to act like their votes and signatures on racist legislation doesn't matter. And somehow white citizen layman, that have never served a single day in any office are to blame.

They do not want to admit any 'also'. They want the blame squarely set upon whites and Republicans, and share no blame or fault themselves.

Well I for one definitely do not excuse Joe Biden for his many flaws. There are some Democrats who say that he is innocent just because he is on their side. I'm not one of them. That's just one example.

 

[rjs330]

I think we all have to be honest and say that the black community absolutely has it more difficult than the white community as a whole. There has been severe racism in the past by white Democrats.

And the current state of the African American community can still be laid squarely at the feet of Democrats as well. They have had the power of local government in these communities and often in the states for years. Yet not much has changed.

Police are heavily involved in these communities due to there is more crime there which leads to higher rates of police contacts.

Fewer blacks graduate
Fewer go to college
High rate of single moms
High rate of absentee fathers
Higher crime rates

The question is why? Is it all due to racism or is there something else at play?