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Somebody has got to do something!

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by HisdaughterJen, Mar 17, 2009.

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  1. Drekkan85

    Drekkan85 Immortal until proven otherwise

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    I'd also point out that you DID have options other than Bush or Kerry, three examples include the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party, and the Green Party. Thinking Democrat/Republican is part of the false dichotomy that both parties have used to maintain a duopoly on power that's detrimental to the American people.

    And as for the "throw your vote away" - that only applies as long as people continue to ignore the option of third parties under the justification that they won't win. THe only way to change that is to change your vote, and work on people you know to change theirs, and so on and so forth.
     
  2. hiscosmicgoldfish

    hiscosmicgoldfish Liberal Anglican

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    exacto.. same in this country.
     
  3. BernieEOD

    BernieEOD Well-Known Member

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    Do we forget that in the begining of this nation, the choice was between the Federalists and the Democratic Republicans? And later between the Democrats and the Wigs? The GOP was a "Third party" Until Lincoln was elected. So to will it be that one of the third parties will one day bump one of the two off the ticket.
     
  4. Nadiine

    Nadiine Well-Known Member

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    at this point I could care less when they all suck

    it wouldn't make any difference
     
  5. Nadiine

    Nadiine Well-Known Member

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    K, here's an exerpt on the Green Party website:

    Ya, how FAIR is it to get paid for your job skill and purchase things
    with it?
    :doh:

    I don't want to make a vote based on the fact that there IS another
    party option alone...
    It really would help if the other parties even let us know
    who's RUNNING for election?
    :mmh:

    Until they can do that, I'll stick to what I know so I don't
    toss votes away from republicans.
     
  6. jiminpa

    jiminpa Senior Member

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    If we're outta here the instant things get rough, what's the need for encouragement? It is encouraging that at that time our graduation is near, when we will all be raised up to be with God eternally. it is encouraging that God is with us in all things.

    The problem with trying to create a non-biblical distinction in trumpets is that it is irrelevant anyway. However many types of shofars are sounded it is at the last one that we will be raised. No matter how you slice it at least six of the seven trumpets of Revelation occur before we are raised.
     
  7. Hairy Tic

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    ## Sorry - for some reason I was under the impression you were Christian. Prayer is important to Christians. At least, it is in the NT. Jesus prayed for his enemies, as well as telling his followers to do so.
     
  8. Hairy Tic

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    ## He has: "Fooled you again !" :) Prophecy - by which I take it you mean prediction, foretelling, rather than prophecy, forthtelling - is deterministic: it ignores free will. Prediction is meaningless: weather forecasters & business analysts & politicians do it all the time, & are often right - no Holy Spirit is needed for it.

    There is in the Bible no simple relation of prediction to fulfilment: Ezekiel made some false predictions: Tyre was not taken by Nebuchadnezzar, despite the prediction of this in Ezek. 26, so that was "unsaid" in chapter 29. Despite being predicted, the desolation of Egypt did not take place. So the "argument from prediction" is a load of old rubbish :)

    So why should the more recent rubbish of fantasists full of themselves be paid any more respect ? I predict that we will all be here in 2017 :)
    ## The Bible is not the problem - the problem is that people keep being dead certain that their nonsense is justified by it, no matter how often they are shown up as fantasists. This is Bible abuse if anything is.

    As for 2 Peter 3, & other passages, they only show that this nonsense has a long history. That sort of rubbish is valuable only as a curiosity. The fact is that none of these people knew when the world would end any more than you or or I or anybody else does, but they pretended that that they did. "Quickly" is not two thousand yeards long - and there is no indication that it is. Jesus was wrong. Paul was wrong. John was wrong. 2 Peter 3 is making the best of a bad job - and being deceitful. :( That is not Christian behaviour :(

    When will the world end ? How about - 4.5 thousand million years time :) ? And by then, either we will all be extinct, or in a different galaxy - but either way, there is absolutely no point in bothering with the Second Coming. There are far more important things to bother with than that. :)
     
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  9. BelindaP

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    Hmm. Your take on endtimes is interesting, HairyTic. I know that Catholics are amillenialist, but I thought they believed in a second coming. I take it that's not dogma?
     
  10. hiscosmicgoldfish

    hiscosmicgoldfish Liberal Anglican

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    I'm an amillenialist.. maybe it's due to my Catholic up-bringing.. no i think it's just that it's true. Dosn't follow that the return of Christ is not important.. this time it really is on it's way.. i know a lot of people have been shouting wolf for a long time.
     
  11. Hairy Tic

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    ## I'm not typical - just very sceptical. It's dogma, but I think it's untrue.
     
  12. BelindaP

    BelindaP Senior Contributor

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    Have I got a forum for you...Let me introuce you to Protinus sometime. I bet you two would have a lot to talk about.
     
  13. Hairy Tic

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    ## That's been said too often to take seriously. 500,000 years hence, if we still exist, that will still be said. :(
    ## And the wolf has been rather slow to put in an appearance. So slow, as to make the very clear words about the Second Coming in the NT a bad joke: Matthew 24.34 has been very thoroughly falsified, if words have any meaning.
     
  14. hiscosmicgoldfish

    hiscosmicgoldfish Liberal Anglican

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    i give the return of Christ within the next 100 years.. but that's just my opinion.
     
  15. Hairy Tic

    Hairy Tic Well-Known Member

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    ## Unless aging can be arrested very soon, there's no way either of us is likely to know :)
     
  16. hiscosmicgoldfish

    hiscosmicgoldfish Liberal Anglican

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    unless it's in the next few years.. i hope it's later, as all the bad stuff starts up before that.
     
  17. Nadiine

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    Well for clarification, the relation of God's timetable and ours
    are not the same as we know the bible says.
    What's Quick for God seems forever to us in our timeframe.

    But in my experience, most people who attack prophecy never have the answers as to what happens in the future. They have no viable
    alternative either.

    If that's the case, I'd say it's more an issue of just not knowing
    if those you disagree with are untrue signs they're seeing or
    putting together.

    & if we think it's unimportant, then we have to ask why God
    bothered adding Revelation & all the many end times (day
    of the Lord) prophecies in both testaments if it's pointless.
    I tend to think we CAN know alot about it
     
  18. Texas Lynn

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    This sort of racist and zenophobic stuff is most unfortunate.

    False.

    Does not refer to "Christians" only those of a certain political persuasion.

    Nothing "Anti-Christian" in that policy area has occurred.

    Likewise.

    Again the religion of American extremists is not the issue.
     
  19. Texas Lynn

    Texas Lynn Well-Known Member

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    People said the former about John F. Kennedy, who refused to lead on instituting social change. Their prayers were answered, and we got Lyndon Baines Johnson who used his political prowess to advance progress. Those wanting Obama gone would not be very happy with Joe Biden either. Biden, for example, is the prime author and advocate of domestic violence legislation. I've heard a possible solution to this dilemma of those favoring continued conservative domination. It refers to the line of succession, which, after President and Vice-President, goes:

    3. Speaker of the House (Nancy Pelosi)
    4. President Pro Tempore of the Senate (The senior member of the majority party...I don't even know who it is. Robert Byrd? Ted Kennedy?
    Patrick Leahy?)
    5. Secretary of State (Hillary Clinton)
    6. Secretary of Defense (Robert Gates)
    7 on...the rest of the cabinet secretaries, all liberal Democrats.

    It goes "first we get #s 1 to 5 in the same room..." Then Gates is President. Sure, he's conservative...on national security issues. His social and economic views are largely unknown. Not much hope there for a meaningful change by coup d'etat.

    As for you, the door is always open.
     
  20. Texas Lynn

    Texas Lynn Well-Known Member

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    What was Bush doing that you assessed thus?

    It's always a trial to partisans to deal with being on the outs. Some act terribly. Some of the Bush hating was pretty stupid. So was the anti-Clinton stuff and so much else. The key to being the "loyal opposition" is on the first word of those two. Liberals were in the political wilderness for 12 years, 1981-1993, and again for 8 in 2001-2009. Conservatives haven't gotten used to that yet. Many still express a sense of entitlement to control the executive branch.

    A very wise man once gave this advice: "As a citizen, you are to be a quiet and peaceable subject, true to your government, and just to your country; you are not to countenence disloyalty or rebellion, but patiently submit to legal auhtority, and conform with cheerfulness to the government of the country in which you live."

    As to the trials we endure James the Disciple says we should count our trials as "all joy"...
     
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