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Some of that good ol' fashioned bigotry

Discussion in 'General Political Discussion' started by SummerMadness, Nov 15, 2006.

  1. quantumspirit

    quantumspirit evangelical humanist

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    Glenn Beck and Bill Maher are the reasons I have had it with CNN.
     
  2. utdbear

    utdbear Catalina Wine Mixer....POW!

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    I think it might just be me, but I think Bill Maher is on HBO. He also outdrew everybody on the premiere night of his special. I know the radical Islam apologists on here are going to dismiss it as bigotry, but its going to raise a lot of questions.
     
  3. oldbetang

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    Awesome post!
     
  4. ElvisFan42

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  5. rosewaning

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  6. DrFate

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    I suspect the VP. Remember he helped arm the muslims to kill the christians in the Bosnian mess. Ancient history by now I guess.
     
  7. DrFate

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    Seems to me that we gave that up around 1776.
     
  8. Zimfan

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    :doh: It seems like every time I read a paper or catch up in the political threads here at cf, I see something that makes me long for the next presidential election.
     
  9. kiwimac

    kiwimac Bishop of the See of Aotearoa ROCCNZ;Theologian Supporter

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    Just a question. How much of a majority in both houses would Bush need to overturn the 22nd amendment?
     
  10. CCGirl

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    Could you elaborate for all of us who live outside the USA?:wave: Thanks!
     
  11. kiwimac

    kiwimac Bishop of the See of Aotearoa ROCCNZ;Theologian Supporter

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    After President Roosevelt's death the 80th United States Congress authored an amendment which would allow a president of the US a maximum of two terms in office.

    From Wikipedia
     
  12. CCGirl

    CCGirl Resident Commie

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    Thanks!:)

    So, he could have a bill passed that does away with a Constitutional amendment? And if it is passed, that's it? You can have amendments amending amendments? I only ask because I have no idea of the powers there. Why was this amendment passed originally? (We have no such thing here in Canada). Do you really think the US public would allow this to happen, without another "terrorist" attack?
     
  13. variant

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    The amendment process requires a 2/3rds vote of both congress and senate to propose the amendment, or proposition by 2/3rds of the states by a constitutional convention, and ratification by 3/4ths of the state legislatures to amend the constitution.

    The Constitution can be amended in any way imaginable, including the revoking of prior amendments seen in the 18th amendment (prohibition) being repealed by the 21st.
     
  14. KomissarSteve

    KomissarSteve Basileus

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    Right, although for CCGirl's sake, I'll point out that this much consensus in Congress or the state legislatures over a "slam-dunk" political issue - much less a genuinely divisive one - is a rare thing indeed.
     
  15. Ringo84

    Ringo84 Separation of Church and State expert

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    This most certainly was bigotry.

    This Congressman, Ellison, was singled out because he was Muslim. Never had he given us any reason at all to doubt his loyalty to country or his sincerity about serving his constituents or the American people. But because he's Muslim, and because we happen to be fighting against radical Muslims, he was equated with terrorists.
    Even more "controversial" was the fact that he chose to take an oath on the Q'uran. Even though the Constitution makes it quite clear that no religious test is to be administered for public office, not to mention the fact that the oath itself is symbolic and has no bearing on the Congressman's job, some people decided that since this guy happened to be a Muslim, he must be a terrorist who wants to kill us.

    If someone had tried to equate a Christian Congressperson with Fred Phelps or some other extreme faction of Christianity, there would've been hell to pay. It was a shameful display of bigotry....bigotry I want no part of.

    If Beck, as well as Virgil Goode, can't handle religious freedom in this country, I suggest they go elsewhere.
    Ringo
     
  16. kiwimac

    kiwimac Bishop of the See of Aotearoa ROCCNZ;Theologian Supporter

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    But where else would take them?
     
  17. oldbetang

    oldbetang Senior Veteran

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    If that was bigotry then the term bigotry has been diluted so much as to be meaningless. Having said that, if you can't handle the fact that others enjoy freedom of speech, then I suggest you go elsewhere.
     
  18. SummerMadness

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    If you look at the definition of bigotry, you point is counter to the meaning of the word.

    bigotry
    noun
    Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion

    Saying the term bigotry has been diluted doesn't make it so, you have to provide support to back up your statements if you're going to say the definition of bigotry has somehow changed.
     
  19. Ringo84

    Ringo84 Separation of Church and State expert

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    Absurd. You take one part of my post, distort it, and ignore the rest of it.

    Your assertion that calling Goode and Beck's comments bigotry is "diluting the meaning" of the word is false. As SummerMadness pointed out, bigotry is defined as "Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion". These men singled Congressman Ellison out because a.) he was Muslim, and b.) because he chose to take an oath on the Q'uran, even though there has never been any reason at all to question Ellison's loyalty to country. People just assumed that since he was a Muslim, he must also be a terrorist. You know that if Ellison was a Christian and had been attacked the same way, there would have been hell to pay.

    Nobody has ever said that either Beck or goode didn't have a right to their comments, no matter how stupid they may be. Including me. What I meant when I said that they should leave is that anti-Muslim sentiment such as the type they displayed during this non-controversy does nothing but help the same terrorists that want to kill us. I question both men's sincerity about freedom when they would attack a fellow American and a newly-elected congressman for doing absolutely nothing wrong. Accusing a Muslim congressman of wrongdoing or treason due to his religion is no better than the way in which some people single out Christians, assuming them to be Bible-beating extremists.

    Since you are apparently so concerned with Beck and Goode's rights, I wonder why you aren't concerned about Ellison's rights. He has done nothing wrong. Nevertheless, his good name is being slandered due to the god he happens to worship - and from the same people who are often whining and complaining about similar persecution against Christians. Shameful. I am one born-and-bred Virginian who is ashamed to claim Goode as one of my elected officials.

    I stand by my comments.
    Ringo
     
  20. oldbetang

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    I'm not familiar with Goode and do not know what he is alleged to have stated. My response was regarding Glenn Beck, who is anything but bigoted. In his interview with Ellison, he was playing on the impression that a majority of americans have of of Muslims and in doing so was offering Ellison the opportunity to explain why that impression is irrational or unfounded. If you were familiar with Glenn Beck at all, you would know that he is not a bigot.

    "I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way."
    Hmmm! Bigotry? I don't think so.
     
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