Solving the Problem of false doctrine

[Darren Court]

I feel plenty of hot air blowing at me. No resolution of the logical contradiction alleged at post 151. And no intellectually honest admission to the problem. As expected. That's fine. Until that changes, I'll keep my precious pearls to myself.

I guess I'm just sick and tired of my pearls being attacked by people committed to complete nonsense and contradictions. At least my pearls form a stance thoroughly rational, coherent, and consistent, even if unpalatable to some.

Maybe the problem is that you THINK you have pearls because they're shiny and white when the reality is you found some nice marbles that fell out of the back of your head! LOL!

 

[JAL]

Church authority? I don't hold to any church authority. I guess you're not understanding Post 151? I mentioned a (partial) list of several possible authorities including church/tradition (as in Roman Catholicism). I am not Catholic!

 

[JAL]

That wouldn't even make sense. I said my epistemology applies to any angel as well as to Abraham. Neither of them belonged to a church-denomination.

 

[JAL]

Wow. Christ's words are suddenly feeling amazingly apropos:

"You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them unto babes."

Because in this conversation I am finding that people much smarter than I am can't seem to uncover pearls that a veritable babe could easily grasp.

And they act like I'm hiding something! How is it possible to hide something so obvious?

Like I said before, I think the real problem is that people don't really want to find these pearls because the very notion of an authoritative voice undermines Sola Scriptura.

 

[Darren Court]

Church authority? I don't hold to any church authority. I guess you're not understanding Post 151? I mentioned a (partial) list of several possible authorities including church/tradition (as in Roman Catholicism). I am not Catholic!

So another problem... you are not anything and you can't say what authority you hold to! Must be very confused!

 

[Darren Court]

That wouldn't even make sense. I said my epistemology applies to any angel as well as to Abraham. Neither of them belonged to a church-denomination.

I am sure in your head that makes perfect sense!

 

[JAL]

A member of this forum once said, "Pride reigns on this forum."

On the current thread, I am sensing too much pride for people to admit that Sola Scriptura is far too riddled with problems to be presumed the final word on Christian epistemology.

Most likely, God had in mind something much better. The church just messed it up.

 

[Darren Court]

A member of this forum once said, "Pride reigns on this forum."

On the current thread, I am sensing too much pride for people to admit that Sola Scriptura is far too riddled with problems to be presumed the final word on Christian epistemology.

Most likely, God had in mind something much better. The church just messed it up.

From the most pride filled person I have ever met or for that matter could imagine meeting, your comments are laced with irony!

 

[JAL]

From the most pride filled person I have ever met or for that matter could imagine meeting, your comments are laced with irony!

Would to God I had something to be proud of. Truth is, all my conclusions are simple no-brainers that any child could fathom.

And I have difficulty casting any further skepticism on them, as they easily resolve contradictions left unsolved for 2,000 years.

 

[Darren Court]

Would to God I had something to be proud of. Truth is, all my conclusions are simple no-brainers that any child could fathom.

And I have difficulty casting any further skepticism on them, as they easily resolve contradictions left unsolved for 2,000 years.

Could not have said "My pride and arrogance is bigger than anyone's" any more succinctly!

 

[JAL]

Your ad hoc redefinition of the term into "no Holy Spirit just scripture" is your own doing. You can't blame your personal invention on others.

Intellectual dishonesty. You have been reminded time and again that this is a strawman. (Sigh). Prove me wrong. Find me a few Sola Scriptura scholars who counsel their readers to regard voices and visions as inherently authoritative without recourse to Scripture.

I don't think you'll find any. The "Sola" in Sola Scriptura, if I'm not mistaken, means that Scripture is the only final authority in religious matters.

 

[JAL]

Could not have said "My pride and arrogance is bigger than anyone's" any more succinctly!

Instead of wasting all these words on ad hominem taunts, here's a thought: why not address post 151?

 

[Darren Court]

Intellectual dishonesty. You have been reminded time and again that this a strawman. (Sigh). Prove me wrong. Find me a few Sola Scriptura scholars who counsel their readers to regard voices and visions as inherently authoritative without recourse to Scripture.

I don't think you'll find any. The "Sola" in Sola Scriptura, if I'm not mistaken, means that Scripture is the only final authority in religious matters.

I am truly sorry but it seems that given the evidence contained in your many arrogant and pride filled responses that these two powerful factors prevent truth and reality penetrating your mind. I have neither the time or ability to penetrate that defense which you so clearly wish to remain in place. If only you would see your pride instead of denying it, maybe the truth will set you free. Until then........

 

[Darren Court]

Instead of wasting all these words on ad hominem taunts, here's a thought: why not address post 151?

...because your pride and arrogance cannot see, that I already have and all that remains is your pride and arrogance, my friend.

 

[JAL]

I am truly sorry but it seems that given the evidence contained in your many arrogant and pride filled responses that these two powerful factors prevent truth and reality penetrating your mind. I have neither the time or ability to penetrate that defense which you so clearly wish to remain in place. If only you would see your pride instead of denying it, maybe the truth will set you free. Until then........

Nice copout-excuse for leaving this discussion without seriously addressing post 151. Trust me, I've seen/ heard it all before.

 

[Darren Court]

Instead of wasting all these words on ad hominem taunts, here's a thought: why not address post 151?

Nice copout-excuse for leaving this discussion without seriously addressing post 151. Trust me, I've seen/ heard it all before.

I am sure in your pride filled arrogance there is actually nothing you haven't heard before!

 

[JAL]

I am sure in your pride filled arrogance there is actually nothing you haven't heard before!

You've made it clear that the only weapons in your debating arsenal are deflection and insult.

 

[Darren Court]

You've made it clear that the only weapons in your debating arsenal are deflection and insult.

I agree that many of your comments and insults are just personal reflections of the image you see in the mirror and that you truly believe they apply to others! I guess that's what happens when are FILLED with pride and arrogance but cannot see it! Prayers for you!

 

[JAL]

What's so funny is that many Christians say, "I love the Lord and fully trust Him."

Do they love Him enough to consider changing their minds about doctrine?
Do they trust Him enough to consider changing their minds about doctrine?

I'm not sure they do. They often behave as though doctrinal correction is guaranteed to inflict more suffering than furnish healing. As if their heavenly Father is intent on harming them. As a result, most everyone is sticking to their traditional beliefs, they refuse to consider anything new, even on those rare occasions when a "radical" like me comes along.

And they won't even deal honestly with me when I show them a post like 151.

 

[JAL]

I think you are mistaken. Rather than talking past each other, I simply disagree with the applicability of your Abraham example. Abraham was a unique life which occurred when there were no scriptures. Your what if speculation is simply a pointless waste of time.

Calling Abraham "unique" ultimately amounts to deflection because it evades the root issue as to why he heeded the Voice - and was celebrated for it by the books of Hebrews and James, not to mention God Himself in Genesis.

Moreover, your argument of "no scriptures existed back then" just pushes the issue one step back further. As mentioned in post 151, you need to specify on what basis/authority you accept the Scriptures today. And once you've done that, you've already admitted to the existence of a basis/authority other than Scripture. Which is precisely what happened to Abraham - and to all the other prophets in church history. He was hardly "unique".

Sola Scriptura simply doesn't work because it contradicts both the historical record and common sense.