• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Solution to the creation/evolution debate...?

maybe maybe not

Active Member
Dec 23, 2021
43
10
kansas
✟23,550.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Because the force between two objects is determined by the formula F = GMm/r^2.

Does mass cause gravity or does gravity cause mass? What actually causes gravity?

What makes up gravity?(only proven sources...no we thinks aloud).

We can see the effect of gravity but we cant see gravity itself. Maybe its god lol
 
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Does mass cause gravity or does gravity cause mass? What actually causes gravity?

What makes up gravity?(only proven sources...no we thinks aloud).

We can see the effect of gravity but we cant see gravity itself. Maybe its god lol
Sorry, but you do not appear to be serious here. Some of your questions could be answered. \\\


But one free correction. One does not use "prove sources". One uses reliable sources. For something as basic as gravity Wikipedia would do for the most basic questions. If you want cutting edge material then you would go to peer reviewed articles in well respected professional journals.
 
Upvote 0

maybe maybe not

Active Member
Dec 23, 2021
43
10
kansas
✟23,550.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Sorry, but you do not appear to be serious here. Some of your questions could be answered. \\\


But one free correction. One does not use "prove sources". One uses reliable sources. For something as basic as gravity Wikipedia would do for the most basic questions. If you want cutting edge material then you would go to peer reviewed articles in well respected professional journals.

My bad... Let me rephrase...

Does mass cause gravity or does gravity cause mass? What actually causes gravity?

What makes up gravity?(do we even know...no we thinks aloud).

We can see the effect of gravity but we cant see gravity itself. Maybe its god lol

Actually you might be confusing proven with proof
 
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
My bad... Let me rephrase...

Does mass cause gravity or does gravity cause mass? What actually causes gravity?

What makes up gravity?(do we even know...no we thinks aloud).

We can see the effect of gravity but we cant see gravity itself. Maybe its god lol

Actually you might be confusing prove with proof
As to your last sentence: No, once again I am not the confused one. There is no proof in science. There is only evidence.

Gravity is caused by mass. But there is a bit of circularity. When you are talking about the cause of gravity you are talking about General Relativity and I will be the first to admit that much of it is beyond me. But in answer to your question I will provide a quote. It probably will not help much:

Einstein’s general theory of relativity can be summed up in just 12 words: “Space-time tells matter how to move; matter tells space-time how to curve”.

Read more: General relativity | New Scientist
 
Upvote 0

maybe maybe not

Active Member
Dec 23, 2021
43
10
kansas
✟23,550.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
As to your last sentence: No, once again I am not the confused one. There is no proof in science. There is only evidence.

Gravity is caused by mass. But there is a bit of circularity. When you are talking about the cause of gravity you are talking about General Relativity and I will be the first to admit that much of it is beyond me. But in answer to your question I will provide a quote. It probably will not help much:

Einstein’s general theory of relativity can be summed up in just 12 words: “Space-time tells matter how to move; matter tells space-time how to curve”.

Read more: General relativity | New Scientist

Lets see how much you understand what you posted...

How does this xplain what causes gravity or what gravity is?

"Einstein’s general theory of relativity can be summed up in just 12 words: “Space-time tells matter how to move; matter tells space-time how to curve”
 
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Lets see how much you understand what you posted...

How does this

"Einstein’s general theory of relativity can be summed up in just 12 words: “Space-time tells matter how to move; matter tells space-time how to curve”

Explain what causes gravity or what gravity is?
The answer was in the above post.
 
Upvote 0

Hans Blaster

On August Recess
Mar 11, 2017
21,649
16,345
55
USA
✟411,108.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Democrat
Does mass cause gravity or does gravity cause mass? What actually causes gravity?

Mass cause gravity: Yes.

Gravity cause mass: No.

(Gravitational potential energy does create curvature of spacetime which in tern causes less "gravity".)

What causes gravity: Curvature of space.

What makes up gravity?(only proven sources...no we thinks aloud).

It's a force (actually a pseudoforce). It's not "made" of anything.

We can see the effect of gravity but we cant see gravity itself. Maybe its god lol

No.
 
Upvote 0

maybe maybe not

Active Member
Dec 23, 2021
43
10
kansas
✟23,550.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Mass cause gravity: Yes.

Gravity cause mass: No.

(Gravitational potential energy does create curvature of spacetime which in tern causes less "gravity".)

What causes gravity: Curvature of space.



It's a force (actually a pseudoforce). It's not "made" of anything.



No.

Did mass cause gravity to form earth or did gravity pull mass together to form earth?
 
Upvote 0

FullMoon

Active Member
Mar 11, 2022
58
7
Perth
✟24,430.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Of course it is and you just confirmed it. How do you think that you are able to communicate here? Science is what makes it possible. You rely on "probable".
Don't confuse the achievements of mathematics and logic with science. Do you know there is such a thing as a mechanical computer? How much science goes into understanding circuitry? All I can give for science in this case is the use of better materials, but even with that, trial and error would've sufficed. Computer systems do not appreciate the "probable" aspects; they have to deal with incorrect transfer of data and such and correct them.
 
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Don't confuse the achievements of mathematics and logic with science. Do you know there is such a thing as a mechanical computer? How much science goes into understanding circuitry? All I can give for science in this case is the use of better materials, but even with that, trial and error would've sufficed. Computer systems do not appreciate the "probable" aspects; they have to deal with incorrect transfer of data and such and correct them.
Mechanical computers are very limited. Yes they have been made, but there is no point in doing so today. Your question is a red herring.

Are you not at all interested in learning why you are wrong?
 
Upvote 0

maybe maybe not

Active Member
Dec 23, 2021
43
10
kansas
✟23,550.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Nope. I recognize a task that is hopeless.

How much math education have you had?

Probably more than you but being I don't know you I can't claim that is fact.
I am not interested in a he said, she said educational claim.
 
Upvote 0

Hans Blaster

On August Recess
Mar 11, 2017
21,649
16,345
55
USA
✟411,108.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Democrat
Don't confuse the achievements of mathematics and logic with science. Do you know there is such a thing as a mechanical computer? How much science goes into understanding circuitry? All I can give for science in this case is the use of better materials, but even with that, trial and error would've sufficed. Computer systems do not appreciate the "probable" aspects; they have to deal with incorrect transfer of data and such and correct them.

I would suggest (as for the necessity of science to make our communications possible) you look into the following:

the transistor (1956)
the laser (1960)
integrated circuits (2000)
giant magnetoresistance (2007)
fiber optic transmission (2009)
CCD sensors (2009)
blue LEDs (2014)

The dates are not the dates of discovery, they are the dates these discoveries won the Nobel Prize in Physics.
 
Upvote 0

Hans Blaster

On August Recess
Mar 11, 2017
21,649
16,345
55
USA
✟411,108.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Democrat
So did that mass of dust cause gravity to form earth or did gravity pull that mass of dust together to form earth?

I said it was self gravitating. It was unstable to collapse.
 
Upvote 0

Hans Blaster

On August Recess
Mar 11, 2017
21,649
16,345
55
USA
✟411,108.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Democrat
Probably more than you but being I don't know you I can't claim that is fact.
I am not interested in a he said, she said educational claim.

These questions aren't a matter of math, but rather physics. Given that your questions are covered in a basic introductory course, I suspect your educational experience in physics is low.
 
Upvote 0

Subduction Zone

Regular Member
Dec 17, 2012
32,629
12,069
✟230,471.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Probably more than you but being I don't know you I can't claim that is fact.
I am not interested in a he said, she said educational claim.
Your questions indicate that this is not so. You tried to ask a gotcha question when not understanding the subject matter. There is a better question that you could have asked.

The problem is that without math you cannot understand any of the more informative answers.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Hans Blaster
Upvote 0

coffee4u

Well-Known Member
Dec 11, 2018
5,002
2,819
Australia
✟166,475.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
That is a combination of rather creative interpretation and circular reasoning. To demonstrate that the Bible is "God's word" one would need to go outside of the Bible if one does not want to be logically fallacious.

We have our spirit and it can commune with God but God also speaks through his word.

Revelation 3:20
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

You close yourself off so hear nothing.
1 Corinthians 2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
 
Upvote 0