solid archaeological proof of The prophet Isaiah?

[createdtoworship]

Again, I think it was a combination of poor wording and you misunderstanding. This part;

"Archaeology MUST stand alone."


...is the important part. She's saying Archaeology needs to be separate from religious bias in order to truthfully validate the bible. People who inject ANY bias risk losing the truth, and if it's found to be untruthful...well, that just looks bad. And we don't want people sullying the Bible's reputation.

I don't agree with that, see my last post. Archaeology without historical documentation involving at least some historical context is meaningless.

 

[theoneandonlypencil]

I don't agree with that, see my last post. Archaeology without historical documentation involving at least some historical context is meaningless.

No no, I meant...okay, let me give you a hypothetical example.

Let's say I find a stone tablet somewhere in the middle east, yeah? Instead of automatically looking through the bible to see if there are any stone tablets that match the description(which would create a bias), I would first assess the tablet. What time period is it from? What does it say? Where did it originate?

Once I have all of the facts laid out first, then I would compare it to biblical records to see if it matched any stone tablets in the bible.

 

[summerville]

I understand what you are saying, but in the middle east if you remove the bible from archaeology, whenever you find a pot, you have no clue where it came from. So I guess I was confused over what you were saying. I love all stuff archaeology, including ron wyatt stuff. I don't have a problem he is not an archaeologist. I don't need to convince anyone of anything, I just present the evidence. The jars, the actual finds with photographs. But let me mention this for example. Almost all archaeologists don't believe the garden tomb is the tomb of Jesus, they believe the ground below the tomb of the holy sepulcher is the traditional tomb of Jesus. It does not even take a professional to know that the garden tomb is the spot. And ron wyatt knows that. Sometimes you need to look at common sense not just what the books are telling you.

Ron Wyatt was a liar and a conman. He was NEVER in Saudi Arabia.

Pottery is a study on its own. For instance the pottery of the Hebrews is simple and completely unadorned.

I don't have an opinion about the garden tomb.. Both locations were outside the city walls at the time.

The garden tomb has been dated by Israeli archaeologist Gabriel Barkay to the 8th–7th centuries BC... and scripture says it had not been used before when Joseph of Arimathea gave it for Jesus. And, if my memory is correct the Church of the Holy Sepulchre is built over a burial cave.

 

[createdtoworship]

No no, I meant...okay, let me give you a hypothetical example.

Let's say I find a stone tablet somewhere in the middle east, yeah? Instead of automatically looking through the bible to see if there are any stone tablets that match the description(which would create a bias), I would first assess the tablet. What time period is it from? What does it say? Where did it originate?

Once I have all of the facts laid out first, then I would compare it to biblical records to see if it matched any stone tablets in the bible.

I don't think anyone is doing this. I think typically an archaeologist examines secular history sources as the prime source of history, and then references Biblical history as a secondary source. If the Biblical history proves to be more fuller in detail than secular history, which often times it does in the middle east, it becomes a prime source of historicity.

 

[createdtoworship]

Ron Wyatt was a liar and a conman. He was NEVER in Saudi Arabia.

Pottery is a study on its own. For instance the pottery of the Hebrews is simple and completely unadorned.

I don't have an opinion about the garden tomb.. Both locations were outside the city walls at the time.

The garden tomb has been dated by Israeli archaeologist Gabriel Barkay to the 8th–7th centuries BC... and scripture says it had not been used before when Joseph of Arimathea gave it for Jesus. And, if my memory is correct the Church of the Holy Sepulchre is built over a burial cave.

well let me just reveal one assumption you made here, can you prove someone is a liar? I have been called a liar by many people usually atheists. I never lied to them. I may have said something wrong that I honestly believed, but that did not make me a con man or a liar. But try telling them that. So if you are going to try to win respect with me, you have to cut out the verbal assaults on people. I don't put up with that. Regarding anyone. If you keep doing it, I will just ignore your posts and other people can reply. But if you can be that rude with ron wyatt then that sets the tone for others to be rude with people they disagree with as well. Like I said, I like ron wyatt. I have heard he made some mistakes, but that does not necessitate that he was a con man.

 

[summerville]

I don't think anyone is doing this. I think typically an archaeologist examines secular history sources as the prime source of history, and then references Biblical history as a secondary source. If the Biblical history proves to be more fuller in detail than secular history, which often times it does in the middle east, it becomes a prime source of historicity.

And there is ALWAYS the tourist dollar. That's why the Israeli archaeologists from their universities do NOT screw around with scriptures that are interpreted many different ways. Archaeology has to stand alone otherwise NO ONE HAS ANY CREDIBLY.

 

[summerville]

well let me just reveal one assumption you made here, can you prove someone is a liar? I have been called a liar by many people usually atheists. I never lied to them. I may have said something wrong that I honestly believed, but that did not make me a con man or a liar. But try telling them that. So if you are going to try to win respect with me, you have to cut out the verbal assaults on people. I don't put up with that. Regarding anyone. If you keep doing it, I will just ignore your posts and other people can reply. But if you can be that rude with ron wyatt then that sets the tone for others to be rude with people they disagree with as well. Like I said, I like ron wyatt. I have heard he made some mistakes, but that does not necessitate that he was a con man.

Wyatt lived and traveled bilking people out of their money.. and he always had an excuse as to why he had NO proof.. Like his film was bad. He was a bad joke in his lifetime.

 

[createdtoworship]

And there is ALWAYS the tourist dollar. That's why the Israeli archaeologists from their universities do NOT screw around with scriptures that are interpreted many different ways. Archaeology has to stand alone otherwise NO ONE HAS ANY CREDIBLY.

Sir places, people, names, cities, tribes, kings, all of that is really hard to interpret more than one way. Scripture is not that hard to understand. I don't know why people have an issue over interpretation. Just read a chapter before, and and a chapter after the said verse you are quoting.

 

[createdtoworship]

Wyatt lived and traveled bilking people out of their money.. and he always had an excuse as to why he had NO proof.. Like his film was bad. He was a bad joke in his lifetime.

well I liked his movie, I guess that makes me a joke too. So thanks for the debate. But I won't be replying to your posts anymore as you didn't honor my request to respect people. Thanks.

 

[Cis.jd]

again that entirely depends on your sources, and if they a publicly edited by non professionals. If you find respectable sources from christians that say that, then I would probably read it and check it out. For now I will trust my gut instinct from when I watched his video's years ago and saw a perfectly respectable archaeologist. But anyway, lets not stear this thread onto ron wyatt, lets talk about isaiah find.

You should lower your fanboyism. You could be giving scammers your money so easily.

 

[createdtoworship]

You should lower your fanboyism. You could be giving scammers your money so easily.

I decided to do a quick search about wyatt fraud, and the first secondary news organization that popped up, found there to be no evidence of fraud, after reading all the allegations. I prayed, I said....God if I am wrong about ron wyatt, please show me. And that is what He gave me. I know you guys will be offended by this. But that is my last post about ron wyatt. I am adding in the OP that ron wyatt is officially off topic now.

 

[lsume]

this is one of my favorite blogs..... (he is unitarian, denies trinity, but he's got good stuff)

Have we found archaeological evidence of Isaiah the prophet?

What I seem to recall reading somewhere about Isaiah was that the Jews did not like what Isaiah revealed through The Holy Spirit. When Christ opened my eyes and ears, I read Isaiah 53. The Spiritual experience I had I can’t adequately describe. Isaiah wrote the perfect description of Christ. As I recall, Isaiah lived about 750 years before Christ was born.

A little darkness is like a little leaven. Or being a little bit pregnant. The Word of God must be shared in absolute truth. Since only through Christ can any of us See the Truth, He is our only hope for salvation.

Christ had short hair. He was not an entertainer in any way. He is our perfect role model and our high priest forever. As one grows in Christ, the evidence of that growth will manifest itself as perfect Love for The GodHead. How can anyone show evidence of this growing Spiritual love. You will absolutely know from deep within of your love. I have prayed specifically for my love to increase. I also pray for Christ to put me in a place where that love can be exercised. As I currently see it, anyone who is given a taste of God The Father’s Love, that Blessed person will instinctively Love God. I pray that you experience God’s Perfect Love if it be God’s Will.

 

[createdtoworship]

What I seem to recall reading somewhere about Isaiah was that the Jews did not like what Isaiah revealed through The Holy Spirit. When Christ opened my eyes and ears, I read Isaiah 53. The Spiritual experience I had I can’t adequately describe. Isaiah wrote the perfect description of Christ. As I recall, Isaiah lived about 750 years before Christ was born.

A little darkness is like a little leaven. Or being a little bit pregnant. The Word of God must be shared in absolute truth. Since only through Christ can any of See the Truth, He is our only hope for salvation.

thank you for the post, I fully agree.

 

[Cis.jd]

I decided to do a quick search about wyatt fraud, and the first secondary news organization that popped up, found there to be no evidence of fraud, after reading all the allegations. I prayed, I said....God if I am wrong about ron wyatt, please show me. And that is what He gave me. I know you guys will be offended by this. But that is my last post about ron wyatt. I am adding in the OP that ron wyatt is officially off topic now.

I'm sorry, but the person really is a fraud. You can just do a "is Ron Wyatt a fraud?" and there is a lot in 1st search, even on his wiki has info on it.

 

[createdtoworship]

I'm sorry, but the person really is a fraud. You can just do a "is Ron Wyatt a fraud?" and there is a lot in 1st search, even on his wiki has info on it.

if you have articles go ahead and message them to me, if you feel I really need to know. wiki linked articles are fraudulent themselves as they are publically edited. See post number three in this thread related to wikipedia pages, they are all full of errors because they don't screen people who write their articles. I suppose this is why people will believe anything now days. Even that the world is flat. But continued discussion on ron wyatt here which is off topic per the OP will have to either be reported or have the thread closed. So I hope you understand.

 

[dqhall]

this is one of my favorite blogs..... (he is unitarian, denies trinity, but he's got good stuff)

Have we found archaeological evidence of Isaiah the prophet?

ron wyatt is off topic for this thread (I unfortunately had to add this as posters were flaming and posting off topic about it to derail the thread). Guys I am not saying you have to agree with everyone, but be respectful of everyone please.

Isaiah was real. In Isaiah 20 Sargon King of Assyria was mentioned. Numerous inscriptions of Sargon and other Assyrian kings were found by archaeologists. The names of some of these Assyrian kings were mentioned in the Bible. Sargon inscriptions are listed in this free U. of Chicago PDF:
https://oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/ancient_records_assyria2.pdf

The University of Chicago has a leading ancient Near East research department.

 

[Jamsie]

I decided to do a quick search about wyatt fraud, and the first secondary news organization that popped up, found there to be no evidence of fraud, after reading all the allegations. I prayed, I said....God if I am wrong about ron wyatt, please show me. And that is what He gave me. I know you guys will be offended by this. But that is my last post about ron wyatt. I am adding in the OP that ron wyatt is officially off topic now.

Ron Wyatt Archaeological Research Fraud Documentation (WAR, W.A.R.)

FAQ :: Was Ron Wyatt an archeological fraud? - Rapture Ready

Ron Wyatt, the "Indiana Jones" of the SDA Church

Special Report: Amazing “Ark” Exposé

 

[redleghunter]

Biblical Archaeology reported on this and the seal of Hezekiah back in 2018.



On View: Seals of Isaiah and King Hezekiah Discovered

Also reported in media.

In find of biblical proportions, seal of Prophet Isaiah said found in Jerusalem

 

[redleghunter]

Her methods have been criticized by her peers.. She's actually using the same approach Ron Wyatt used. She says she's also found the City of David.

Eilat Mazar - Wikipedia

What’s the problem with her methods?

Which seems a bit off topic as she actually found concrete evidence of the Isaiah and Hezekiah seals.

In find of biblical proportions, seal of Prophet Isaiah said found in Jerusalem

 

[redleghunter]

2018 was a busy year:

Biblical Archaeology’s Top 10 Discoveries of 2018