So You're not getting a covid-19 vaccine because it was tested using fetal cell lines

[chad kincham]

You heard incorrectly.

FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine

Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older.

The approval is only for the EUA.

 

[chad kincham]

You would be wrong.

The Pfizer vaccine (which now has some stupid drug-company marketing name someone mentioned above) is fully approved by the FDA for persons age 16 and older. This is not an EUA. (For ages 12-15 it still is EUA.)

Approved onky for the EAU, so yiu are wrong.

 

[keith99]

Don't forget all it's use in the Food & Cosmetic industries.

Yes, and quite a lot of the cosmetics actually use it in production.

Of course one could also consider the use of cosmetics, or at the least the overuse as vanity. That should be a concern for anyone, but perhaps more of one for Christians.

 

[chad kincham]

Let me suggest the Pfizer vaccine then. It is not experimental. (The experiment ended late last year.) It is approved for use in those age 16 or over.

From the FDA:

FACT SHEET FOR HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS ADMINISTERING VACCINE (VACCINATION PROVIDERS)
EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION (EUA) OF
THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE TO PREVENT CORONAVIRUS DISEASE 2019 (COVID-19)
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to permit the emergency use of the unapproved product, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, for active immunization to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older and to provide a third dose to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise.
COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) is an FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer for BioNTech. It is approved as a 2-dose series for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older and is also authorized for emergency use in individuals 12 through 15 years and to provide a third dose to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise.
The FDA-approved COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the EUA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series.1

They are EAU approved, only.

 

[Tanj]

I don't know why you are saying that. It is still perfectly legal in the USA to distribute the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Emergency Use Authorisation.

Only for the indications where it has been so authorised, which in the case of this vaccine is the 12-15 yr olds and some other indications such as boosters. Anyone 16+ comes under the full authorisation rules.

That is simply not true. The EUA for Pfizer-BioNTech is still active, and even the most cursory glance at the FDA website would show that it is still active. From the FDA news release (my bold):

Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.

Which is exactly what I just said.

OK, I'll ask again. Can you prove that a single person has received a 'Comirnaty' branded vaccination from a vial labelled as 'Comirnaty'?

I don't know. Can I? What would that proof look like? If I spent the next 15 minutes hunting down a youtube video of someone being vaccinated in such a way that the bottle label was clear it is well within the bounds of expectation that you would claim the video was doctored.

I suspect that the only vaccines on offer will be Pfizer-BioNTech on EUA.

As I have said, you suspect incorrectly. There no longer exists an EUA for the intial shots in the 16+ age group.

 

[keith99]

From the FDA:

FACT SHEET FOR HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS ADMINISTERING VACCINE (VACCINATION PROVIDERS)
EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION (EUA) OF
THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE TO PREVENT CORONAVIRUS DISEASE 2019 (COVID-19)
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to permit the emergency use of the unapproved product, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, for active immunization to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older and to provide a third dose to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise.
COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) is an FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer for BioNTech. It is approved as a 2-dose series for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older and is also authorized for emergency use in individuals 12 through 15 years and to provide a third dose to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise.
The FDA-approved COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the EUA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series.1

They are EAU approved, only.

NO. Your own cite shows it is approved for people over 16. That there is also an EUA for those under 16 does not mean that use for those over 16 is still an EUA.

You are willfully lying.

 

[Hans Blaster]

COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) is an FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer for BioNTech. It is approved as a 2-dose series for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older and is also authorized for emergency use in individuals 12 through 15 years and to provide a third dose to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise.

This won't happen if you actually read what you cut-n-paste.

It's right in this text:

Approved for age 16 and up.
Authorized for emergency use age 12-15.

This has been the case for about a month. Get with the times.

 

[Tanj]

The approval is only for the EUA.

You are completely incorrect. The standard 2 shot regimen for 16+ year old people is under full autorisation. EUA applies to the 12-15 year olds as well as 3rd booster shots for some people.

 

[Pommer]

You are completely incorrect. The standard 2 shot regimen for 16+ year old people is under full autorisation. EUA applies to the 12-15 year olds as well as 3rd booster shots for some people.

Now it’ll turn into “no long-term studies”.

 

[hedrick]

From the FDA:

FACT SHEET FOR HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS ADMINISTERING VACCINE (VACCINATION PROVIDERS)
EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION (EUA) OF
THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE TO PREVENT CORONAVIRUS DISEASE 2019 (COVID-19)
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to permit the emergency use of the unapproved product, Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, for active immunization to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 12 years of age and older and to provide a third dose to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise.
COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) is an FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccine made by Pfizer for BioNTech. It is approved as a 2-dose series for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older and is also authorized for emergency use in individuals 12 through 15 years and to provide a third dose to individuals 12 years of age and older who have been determined to have certain kinds of immunocompromise.
The FDA-approved COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the EUA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series.1

They are EAU approved, only.

The EUA is for ages 12 and up. The full approval is for ages 16 and up. That’s the reason there are two separate approvals.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Only for the indications where it has been so authorised, which in the case of this vaccine is the 12-15 yr olds and some other indications such as boosters. Anyone 16+ comes under the full authorisation rules.



Which is exactly what I just said.




I don't know. Can I? What would that proof look like? If I spent the next 15 minutes hunting down a youtube video of someone being vaccinated in such a way that the bottle label was clear it is well within the bounds of expectation that you would claim the video was doctored.



As I have said, you suspect incorrectly. There no longer exists an EUA for the intial shots in the 16+ age group.

Nope. According to the material published on the FDA website, you are wrong. I quote the FDA below (my bold):

On December 11, 2020, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued an Emergency Use
Authorization (EUA) for emergency use of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine for the
prevention of COVID-19 for individuals 16 years of age and older pursuant to Section 564 of the Act. FDA reissued the letter of authorization on: December 23, 2020,[3] February 25, 2021,[4] May 10, 2021,[5] June 25, 2021,[6] and August 12, 2021.[7]

On August 23, 2021, FDA approved the biologics license application (BLA) submitted by BioNTech Manufacturing GmbH for COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) for active immunization to prevent COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2 in individuals 16 years of age and older.

On August 23, 2021, having concluded that revising this EUA is appropriate to protect the public health or safety under section 564(g)(2) of the Act, FDA is reissuing the August 12, 2021 letter of authorization in its entirety with revisions incorporated to clarify that the EUA will remain in place for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for the previously-authorized indication and uses, and to authorize use of COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) under this EUA for certain uses that are not included in the approved BLA. In addition, the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers) was revised to provide updates on expiration dating of the authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and to update language regarding warnings and precautions related to myocarditis and pericarditis. The Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers was updated as the Vaccine Information Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers, which comprises the Fact Sheet for the authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and information about the FDA-licensed vaccine, COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA).

I've no idea why you keep denying this basic fact, given that it's right there on the FDA website. However, I can appreciate that as there appears to have been an intention to mislead people, that you may have been one of many who was misled by the FDA and the MSM.

You may also like to note that at the Epoch Times they recently reported that Comirnaty is unavailable, and that there is no date given for future availability. They are quoting health officials from numerous different states who say there is no Comirnaty available. Pfizer has reportedly also declined to answer questions, which is more than a little odd, given that you'd expect them to be very excited about the launch of Comirnaty.

The first COVID-19 vaccine approved for use in the United States is not available yet and it’s unclear when the first doses will be ready for administration.


The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) on Aug. 23 approved a vaccine from Pfizer and its German partner, BioNTech. But at the same time, drug regulators extended (pdf) emergency use authorization (EUA) for existing doses of the vaccine.


The FDA and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) declined to answer or did not respond to questions about when the approved vaccine, dubbed Comirnaty, would be available.

I also note from the Epoch Times article, that there are reportedly 100s of millions of doses of Pfizer-BioNTech still available on EUA. Again, this would support my interpretation of a bait-and-switch operation involving Pfizer-BioNTech and Comirnaty. I suggest that you read the entire Epoch Times article, because it is full of statements that ought to cause warning lights to flash and sirens to sound in any rational person with a healthy level of scepticism.

I'm very sorry, but I think you, and probably millions of Americans, have been duped into thinking that a fully FDA approved vaccine is available, when all the information points to something else. If Comirnaty never becomes available (and I suspect that it won't) then this will surely be one of the greatest con-artist, medical bait-and-switch operations ever perpetrated.

 

[Tanj]

Nope. According to the material published on the FDA website, you are wrong. I quote the FDA below (my bold):

Ok, I see what you mean, but the conversation has to stop, you are quoting from that Chinese cult propaganda outlet, so that's the end of that.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Ok, I see what you mean, but the conversation has to stop, you are quoting from that Chinese cult propaganda outlet, so that's the end of that.

If I recall correctly, The Epoch Times is mainly run by people who used to live in China or have Chinese heritage, and are concerned about the political direction that the US is taking. And as they've experienced a totalitarian communist regime, or are closely related to those that have, I'd expect them to have a valid outlook in that respect.

And I think it's rather illogical to criticise alternative media, when it's the MSM that has duped many people into thinking that an FDA approved Pfizer vaccine is available, while the reality is that the only FDA approved Pfizer vaccine is unavailable. Surely knowing that, you should condemn the MSM, and praise the Epoch Times for being a beacon of truth.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Let me suggest the Pfizer vaccine then. It is not experimental. (The experiment ended late last year.) It is approved for use in those age 16 or over.

Approval by a government agency invested in making sure the approval happens quickly due to political pressure does not mean much to me. What I consider proof is what we have seen in the real world not in the world of bureaucratic approvals. That being the case , I have seen no reason to consider any of the vaccines to be in any way close to as dangerous as the virus they were designed to combat.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Ok, I see what you mean, but the conversation has to stop, you are quoting from that Chinese cult propaganda outlet, so that's the end of that.

I had to unblock the post to which you replied...

Yes, the "Epoch Times" is published by the Chinese cult called "Falun Gong", not to be confused with the paper published by the Korean "Unification Church" (Moonies) called the "Washington Times."

 

[Strathos]

Seems a pretty flimsy excuse to refuse the vaccine then. Good thing that they have so many other excuses, I guess.