So what's with all the weird stuff

Goatee said:

Reading these forums, God is in contact with a load of people on here!

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Yup.
30. The lack of a definitive teaching authority in Protestant (as with the Catholic magisterium) makes many individual Protestants think that they have a direct line to God, notwithstanding all of Christian Tradition and the history of biblical exegesis (a “Bible, Holy Spirit and me” mentality). Such people are generally under-educated theologically, unteachable, lack humility, and have no business making presumed “infallible” statements about the nature of Christianity.
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Goatee said:

Well, check out the partial Preterist views.

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I already have and I just don't believe it. Preterism is a complete denial of God's prophetic Word. It's the only thing worse than pre-trib.

Jenniferdiana said:

You can't predict the end. Nobody knows but God. So why even try... :-/ I can't believe there's so much non sense on a Christian forum...not to sound rude because I'm not trying to be but I'm just saying...do you really believe you can predict the end

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Eschatology is an unfortunate consequence of prophecies playing a central role in Christianity. The whole thing is bound to collapse if it's neglected. Fortunately, there are plenty of people who have already committed themselves to this study. We are not all obliged to look into this matter nor are we all even qualified to interpret it. Why else would the office of the prophet exist?

Marcus Aurelius posited three options in Meditations 12.14: fatal laws, benevolent Providence, or chaos. Since we suppose a providential God, we should try to be worthy of His assistance. There are far more important tasks He has assigned to us.

Jenniferdiana said:

You can't predict the end. Nobody knows but God. So why even try... :-/ I can't believe there's so much non sense on a Christian forum...not to sound rude because I'm not trying to be but I'm just saying...do you really believe you can predict the end

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You spend enough time around here and you will find endtime predictions to be one of the least crazy ideas people throw around here.

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Seriously, as someone here said already, there is bound to be a correct guess eventually. I have an idea I would like to present to you. Not a date prediction but a time period rather. Just something to think about:

In Exodus 23 God tells Moses that the Jews are to hold three festivals in his honor in his presence. These three festivals hold extreme significance in God's eternal plan as I will show. And God always works according to a plan and he actually does reveal mostly what he is doing to those who diligently seek him.

So the three feastivals are:

Exodus 23:15 - The Feastival of Unleavened Bread - This is when Jesus was crucified (around March ~ April 33 AD)

Exodus 23:16 - The Feastival of Pentecost - This is when the Holy Spirit was poured out (7 weeks after The Feastival of Unleavened Bread)

*Exodus 23:16 - The Feastival of the Shelters - This is the only one left unfulfilled as of yet, and it will be the time period that Jesus returns (around September ~ October annually)

Now some people will use equations to try and guesstimate the year of Jesus return. I personally think it will be in the coming years. Reason being (2 Peter 3:8) is 2,000 years from his ascension (Jesus rose early at the start of the third day) and 6,000 years from the biblical date of creation. God worked for 6 days and rested on the 7th, and the 7th day will be the 1,000 year reign of Christ.

What specific day? I have no idea, but Jesus only said we wouldn't know the day. He actually did say we could know the season and time.

So that is my idea, around Sept~Oct, probably around the year 2030. But if he comes today (I hope he does) then bless his name! If he never comes in my lifetime bless his name! Every believer should have the expectation that Jesus will return in their lifetime.

Prophecy is history in advance

History is prophecy fulfilled.

Use the historical methodology to interpret prophecy. That is what the reformers did.

If it don't fit it is not the true interpretation.

Hal A Peno said:

I already have and I just don't believe it. Preterism is a complete denial of God's prophetic Word. It's the only thing worse than pre-trib.

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It's not the denial of God's word though. Revelation was written in the time of the Apostles. It was pointing to what was going to happen in their lifetime!

Jesus did say that it was their generation:

Matthew 24:34
34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.

Original Happy Camper said:

Prophecy is history in advance

History is prophecy fulfilled.

Use the historical methodology to interpret prophecy. That is what the reformers did.

If it don't fit it is not the true interpretation.

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What fits?

If we look at the news first and try to fit it into prophecy, we can almost always make it fit. The best way to do it is to limit your possibilities by looking at the scripture firsts. There is a difference.

Hal A Peno said:

What fits?

If we look at the news first and try to fit it into prophecy, we can almost always make it fit. The best way to do it is to limit your possibilities by looking at the scripture firsts. There is a difference.

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Problem being is that there are tons of people out there who 'think they know what the future is going to be like because they have 'studied' scripture!

Look at all the experts on YouTube! Lol

Hal A Peno said:

What fits?

If we look at the news first and try to fit it into prophecy, we can almost always make it fit. The best way to do it is to limit your possibilities by looking at the scripture firsts. There is a difference.

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I should have expanded on my statement as it was incomplete.
I am referring to the current teachings or preterism, Historical and futurism interpretations of Bible prophecy.

Goatee said:

Problem being is that there are tons of people out there who 'think they know what the future is going to be like because they have 'studied' scripture!

Look at all the experts on YouTube! Lol

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You are correct. Too many people don't look at things objectively and often believe they already know what's coming down unwilling to consider other views or change their mind. I use to be a pre-tribber, dispensationist, globalist, one world gov. and religionist etc., but no longer.

Dave Watchman said:

Isaac Newton tried.

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really? I read his stuff and found he doesn't believe in predicting the future - he was an historicist and thinks we should limit ourselves to finding prophecy fulfillment in history

Uh oh... I think I AM one of those crazy people!!!! hahaha I think it's sooo fascinating to study what we do and don't know about the end times, and if you follow the discernment of the spirit, you can find out some INSANE things are going on in this world that make so much sense of the bible and seem to explain what we're seeing going on. I have gone EXTENSIVELY down the end times conspiracy theory trails, I have a view of it all I wouldn't dare utter to any of you because you'd have me locked away and it's not even important. But my faith was strengthened through my travels down those rabbit holes, suddenly I saw EXACTLY what they mean by "Satan's Kingdom" and the way people are going to "choose hell" began to make a LOT of sense.... Oh no... I've said too much!

If I had to pick an end time date I would go with the scientist, Isaac Newton...

“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half.” –Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060.”" - – Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming will be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ’s coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However… Isaac Newton notes…

“It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." –- Isaac Newton

victorinus said:

really? I read his stuff and found he doesn't believe in predicting the future - he was an historicist and thinks we should limit ourselves to finding prophecy fulfillment in history

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And so he stayed safe. He never gave a date. Not even 2060. The 2060 thing was fake, a sort of smokescreen to settle down the date setters of his time.

I know this because of what he said about Daniel 9 having two different comings of Messiah embedded within the language. But that's just half the fun. Isaac's information has to be applied to our modern era.

If Daniel would have so accurately predicted our Lord's first Visitation, why wouldn't he foretell His second one?

No One Knows That Day and Hour

Jesus is not talking about the "last day" of the second coming. Because He goes right on to expand on the "days BEFORE the flood".


The day and hour that no one can know is the destructive beginning of the thing that Jesus was talking about when he said "for then there will be great tribulation". As it was in those days before the flood.

There's a reason why Jesus can't know which day or hour. He can't pull the trigger or push the button to initiate that day because He's the One that's holding it back. Christ is our high Priest and the intercessor for the world. Even the wicked get to live another day because Jesus is holding back the Wrath of God that is due.

As soon as the Father gives the nod, the censer is cast down, Jesus is taken out of the way. Trumpet #1 falls and a third of the earth is destroyed. Millions or more of humanity are killed, for then there will be great tribulation like the world has never seen before. There would seem to be a conflict of interest here.

OBSERVATIONS ON DANIEL AND THE APOCALYPSE OF ST. JOHN
Sir Isaac Newton
1733

That link makes for a great example to use the find feature from Firefox or Chrome. After clicking the link, we get a giant wall of text. Hold down CTRL + F. With a MAC: Command + F. When the find bar comes up type: violence to the language of Daniel. It's in the paragraph where that text appears.

The next step is not so easy. We had to find the modern day command to restore Jerusalem. It was not in 1948. It was not in 1967. But it must remain "the compass of a Jubilee".

I think that he will probably be right. There's more than one thing going on right now that supports this as being the time. It has a feel like we might be too close to talk about it.

I don't know if that sounded weird, but it might give ya a headache.

Maybe it's time to be silent before the Day of the Lord?

Dave Watchman said:

And so he stayed safe.

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here is a link to newtons take on predictions
I did a thread on his stuff

Dave Watchman said:

Jesus is not talking about the "last day" of the second coming. Because He goes right on to expand on the "days BEFORE the flood".

"For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
The day and hour that no one can know is the destructive beginning of the thing that Jesus was talking about when he said "for then there will be great tribulation". As it was in those days before the flood.

There's a reason why Jesus can't know which day or hour. He can't pull the trigger or push the button to initiate that day because He's the One that's holding it back. Christ is our high Priest and the intercessor for the world. Even the wicked get to live another day because Jesus is holding back the Wrath of God that is due.

As soon as the Father gives the nod, the censer is cast down, Jesus is taken out of the way.. Millions or more of humanity are killed, for then there will be great tribulation like the world has never seen before

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Well done Dave. This is a correct description of our situation now.
The Lord's Day of wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, the next prophesied event; will be triggered by the commencement of an attack on Israel by the peoples listed in Psalms 83. The result of that attack is also described in Psalm 83 and in Amos 1, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Isaiah 17:1-14, Zephaniah 2:4-7, +

keras said:

Well done Dave. This is a correct description of our situation now.
The Lord's Day of wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, the next prophesied event; will be triggered by the commencement of an attack on Israel by the peoples listed in Psalms 83. The result of that attack is also described in Psalm 83 and in Amos 1, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Isaiah 17:1-14, Zephaniah 2:4-7, +

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Well whatever the exact details are McKerras, I'm afraid that the bad stuff is coming next. And those events will then precipitate or be the catalyst for all of the other unfathomable specifications from Revelation's narrative.

The Next Prophesied Event:
Isaiah 61:1-2a The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me. He has sent me to announce good news to the humble, to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and to proclaim a year of the Lords favour,

Isaiah 61:2b-3...and a Day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn, to give then garlands instead of ashes, oil of gladness, instead of mourners tears and a garment of splendor for the distressed. They will be called trees of righteousness, planted by the Lord for His adornment.

Isaiah 61:4-11 Buildings long in ruin and desolate will be restored and rebuilt. Foreigners will serve you, caring for your flocks and vines, but you will be called priests of the Lord and the wealth of the nations will be yours. Because My people have received insults and shame in double measure, they will receive in their own Land, wealth in double measure.

For I, the Lord love justice and hate injustice, I shall give My people a sure reward and make an everlasting Covenant with them. Their posterity will be renowned among the nations, they will be seen as a people blessed by the Lord.

Let us rejoice in the Lord with all our hearts. From Him has come victory and deliverance. His people, robed in beauty are like a garden full of flowers. The Lord will make His victory and renown known to the nations. Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

Isaiah 61:1-2a, was quoted by Jesus at the commencement of His ministry;.... a year of the Lord’s favour’. He stopped in mid sentence and then said: Today, in your hearing, this prophecy has come true.

Therefore, the rest of this chapter is unfulfilled prophecy. So, we look for the sequence of events to unfold as written, commencing with:

‘a Day of vengeance of our God’ - The next prophesied event. Not the Return of Jesus in His glory, but His punishment to the nations, triggered by an attack on Israel. This is prophesied and described comprehensively throughout the Bible as a terrible disaster by fire, that will affect the whole world. Isa. 63:1-6, Isa. 30:26

‘comfort all who mourn’ - All who love the Lord and follow in His Laws, those who mourn His death on the cross. Zechariah 12:9-10

‘trees of righteousness, planted in their own Land’ - His people: all faithful Christians, Jew and Gentile are gathered and settled in His holy Land, into all of that area promised to the Patriarchs, to their descendants by faith, Galatians 3:26-29, in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 20:34-36, Isaiah 26:15

‘buildings rebuilt and the land restored’ - After the devastation caused by a CME sunstrike, The Lord will regenerate the Land, Ezekiel 36:8 but buildings must be rebuilt, including the new Temple. Isaiah 65:21, Zechariah 6:15

‘foreigners will serve you’ - Isaiah 60:10...foreigners will rebuild your walls...

‘wealth of the nations will be yours’ - Zechariah 14:14 The same as what happened at the first Exodus. Exodus 11:2

‘make a Covenant with them’ - Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 34:25, Isaiah 54:10

‘from Him has come victory and deliverance’ - Psalms 91:14-16, Psalms 44:4-7

‘known to the nations’ - Ezekiel 39:21, Isaiah 40:5
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There is no end, Jesus is Alpha and Omega but the greek text shows omega incomplete, tradition believes this was deliberate, Meaning He is the beginning and without end. There will be a new heaven and new earth but I am thinking Jesus made all things new on the cross already, I often have been wondering if the new Jerusalem is the Church which is on earth and in heaven. Not a literal city but a picture of the Church completed.