SO THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT TEACHES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED? THEN WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE

[ace of hearts]

God's WORD is very clear as to who His remnant are. Please see 1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14.

And they don't have anything to do with the covenant given to Israel as you think your references prove.

 

[ace of hearts]

What gift did God give you? I do not know the reason for your circumstance or the person you are commenting on so I cannot comment. That is between you and them and you and God.

You don't like it.

 

[ace of hearts]

Your partly correct; it seems you do not know what I believe.

OH? Aren't you posting what you believe?

 

[ace of hearts]

Your point is a mute point as animal sacrifices were every day of the week in the OLD COVENANT. They point to JESUS in the NEW COVENANT. God's 4th commandment is a memorial of creation not a ceremonial law as there was no ceremonies when the Sabbath was created.

That may be true. When you celebrate the sabbath you preform ceremony in some form or other. With the institution of the sabbath came requirements for its observance.

 

[ace of hearts]

Well that is not true. It's easier if we just lay the scriptures out and add a little more context. To be honest you the first person I have ever come across that thinks James is not talking about faith and works.

Yeah you add a lot that's not there.

 

[ace of hearts]

Nope. No you did not you ignored it and simply repeated yourself. Please your welcome to have a go though. You can find it in post # 160 linked click me.

SO THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT TEACHES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED? THEN WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE

 

[LoveGodsWord]

SO THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT TEACHES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED? THEN WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE

As I posted you just repeated yourself and did not address the post and the scriptures that disagree with you in post # 160 linked that go through ACTS 15 scripture by scripture. Did you want to address it this time?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

And they don't have anything to do with the covenant given to Israel as you think your references prove.

Actually they have everything to do with the Covanant given to ISRAEL as this is who the NEW COVENANT is given to *HEBREWS 8:10-12. If your not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You don't like it.

Don't like what? Your not responding to what you are quoting from.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

OH? Aren't you posting what you believe?

Yes I am posting God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should beleive and follow it *ROMANS 3:4

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That may be true. When you celebrate the sabbath you preform ceremony in some form or other. With the institution of the sabbath came requirements for its observance.

Nope. No we do not. We simply follow the scripture according to God's 4th commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yeah you add a lot that's not there.

Not really. I only added Gods WORD as shown in post # 319 linked that does not agree with what you posted earlier. I understand why you did not wish to post the scriptures and only part quote what was posted to you above.

 

[ace of hearts]

As I posted you just repeated yourself and did not address the post and the scriptures that disagree with you in post # 160 linked that go through ACTS 15 scripture by scripture. Did you want to address it this time?

I'm not going back to your other post and address it over and over. I'm sorry that you don't understand that.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I'm not going back to your other post and address it over and over. I'm sorry that you don't understand that.

You do not have to. Please tell me how you addressed it? You did not address it you just repeated yourself without addressing the post and all the scriptures in it that disagree with you. CIRCOMCISION is not a requirement for slavation the same as CIRCUMCION is not one of Gods' 10 commandments.

ACTS 15 SCRIPTURE BY SCRIPTURE click me

 

[trophy33]

Wikipedia is no source for this information. I personally run across Sabbath observers on a weekly basis that were not previously known to me just in my everyday travels. The churches are hemorrhaging members at an alarming rate and have been for years. There are house churches and groups of people who have left these corporate churches everywhere that fly below your Wikipedia radar.

If you think the Messianic Jewish believers are insignificant and should be ignored or laughed at by the Gentile believers, as your post insinuates, maybe you should think about the fact that the Apostles and the first martyrs were Messianic "followers of the Way".

Actually, your personal experience is no source for this information. You can simply live somewhere where they are concentrated. But regarding the general world-wide Christianity, they are insignificant.

The Apostles and the first martyrs were not messianic Jews, they were Jewish Christians, its a different thing. What Paul thought about those who try to put people under the Law is clear in the letter to Galatians.

 

[trophy33]

God's people have only ever been a remnant *ISAIAH 10:22; REVELATION 12:17

Again, you do not understand the context.

In Israel, people who follow God have always been a remnant, there will be 144,000 people saved from Israel (may be a symbolic number, but still a small, limited number).

But in other nations, Christ was accepted with joy. There will be crowd so large that nobody will able to count it, composed of Christians from other nations.
"After this I looked, and there was a great crowd that no one could number. They were from every nation, tribe, people, and language. "
Rev 7:9

Therefore do not play any games about "only few Christians will be saved", "majority of Christians is wrong" etc.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Again, you do not understand the context.

In Israel, people who follow God have always been a remnant, there will be 144,000 people saved from Israel (may be a symbolic number, but still a small, limited number).

But in other nations, Christ was accepted with joy. There will be crowd so large that nobody will able to count it, composed of Christians from other nations.
"After this I looked, and there was a great crowd that no one could number. They were from every nation, tribe, people, and language. "
Rev 7:9

Therefore do not play any games about "only few Christians will be saved", "majority of Christians is wrong" etc.

Well that is not true. Your confused brother, as I have only ever provided the context that you have left out of the interpretation of the scriptures. Why are you now talking about the 144,000 and also REVELATION 7:9? Did I ever mention these scripture when speaking of a REMNANT? If I have not mentioned these scriptures or have I referred to them when speaking of God's remnant why pretend that I have?

You do know that all through time there is the righteous dead and the rightouess living right? I am referring to those that are living when referring to the REMNANT. God is the God of the living and not the dead *MATTHEW 22:32

It is God's WORD that says that God's people (living) are a remnant not me.

JOEL 2:32 [32], And it shall come to pass, that whoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD has said, and in THE REMNANT WHOM THE LORD SHALL CALL.

MATTHEW 22:14 [14], MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN

ROMANS 9:26-29
[26], And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said to them, You are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
[27], Esaias also cries concerning Israel, THOUGH THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, A REMNANT SHALL BE SAVED:
[28], For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make on the earth.
[29], And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like to Gomorrha.

ROMANS 11:1-5 [1], I say then, Has God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. [2], God has not cast away his people which he foreknew. Know you not what the scripture said of Elias? how he makes intercession to God against Israel saying, [3], Lord, they have killed your prophets, and dig down your altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. [4], But what said the answer of God to him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. [5], EVEN SO THEN AT THIS PRESENT TIME ALSO THERE IS A REMNANT ACCORDING TO THE ELECTION OF GRACE.

REVELATION 12:17 [17], And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the REMNANT OF HER SEED, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Please do not pretend I am saying somthing and talking about something I am not. Why not answer the questions here brother from the OP and the earlier post to you?

Now brother there is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says Gods' 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day as you agree.

If JESUS says that all those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God why do many choose to break God's 4th commandment *MATTHEW 15:3-9 that is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20?

Who should we believe and follow; God or man *ROMANS 3:4?

Only sent in love and as a help brother.


God bless

 

[trophy33]

Well that is not true. Your confused brother, as I have only ever provided the context that you have left out of the interpretation of the scriptures. Why are you now talking about the 144,000 and also REVELATION 7:9? Did I ever mention these scripture when speaking of a REMNANT? If I have not mentioned these scriptures or have I referred to them when speaking of God's remnant why pretend that I have?

You do know that all through time there is the righteous dead and the rightouess living right? I am referring to those that are living when referring to the REMNANT. God is the God of the living and not the dead *MATTHEW 22:32

It is God's WORD that says that God's people (living) are a remnant not me.

JOEL 2:32 [32], And it shall come to pass, that whoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD has said, and in THE REMNANT WHOM THE LORD SHALL CALL.

MATTHEW 22:14 [14], MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN

ROMANS 9:26-29
[26], And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said to them, You are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
[27], Esaias also cries concerning Israel, THOUGH THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL BE AS THE SAND OF THE SEA, A REMNANT SHALL BE SAVED:
[28], For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make on the earth.
[29], And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like to Gomorrha.

ROMANS 11:1-5 [1], I say then, Has God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. [2], God has not cast away his people which he foreknew. Know you not what the scripture said of Elias? how he makes intercession to God against Israel saying, [3], Lord, they have killed your prophets, and dig down your altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. [4], But what said the answer of God to him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. [5], EVEN SO THEN AT THIS PRESENT TIME ALSO THERE IS A REMNANT ACCORDING TO THE ELECTION OF GRACE.

REVELATION 12:17 [17], And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the REMNANT OF HER SEED, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Please do not pretend I am saying somthing and talking about something I am not. Why not answer the questions here brother from the OP and the earlier post to you?

Now brother there is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says Gods' 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day as you agree.

If JESUS says that all those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God why do many choose to break God's 4th commandment *MATTHEW 15:3-9 that is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20?

Who should we believe and follow; God or man *ROMANS 3:4?

Only sent in love and as a help brother.


God bless

You still do not realize that "remnant", "few" etc in the verses you work with are related to Israel, not to other nations and not to Christians.

Christians from other nations will be so many that nobody will able to count them. So you cannot stylize yourself to some "true Christian remnant", there is nothing like that.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You still do not realize that "remnant", "few" etc in the verses you work with are related to Israel, not to other nations and not to Christians. Christians from other nations will be so many that nobody will able to count them. So you cannot stylize yourself to some "true Christian remnant", there is nothing like that.

Your confused here brother. God's ISRAEL in both the OLD and NEW COVENANT is only a name that God gives to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. The NEW COVENANT promise is to God's ISRAEL *HEBREWS 8:10-12. If you are not a part of God' ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. God's REMNANT is God's description of his people, not mine and they keep all the commandments of God through faith in JESUS *REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14. If you need more scripture just let me know.

 

[ace of hearts]

Actually they have everything to do with the Covanant given to ISRAEL as this is who the NEW COVENANT is given to *HEBREWS 8:10-12. If your not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Absolutely nothing about Christians being Israel.