SO THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT TEACHES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED? THEN WHO SHOULD WE BELIEVE

[LoveGodsWord]

You are unable to focus on one verse and to understand it in its context. You are always trying to "wash it away" with your pre-prepared list of verses.

Thats why you are so unsuccesful in converting others to follow your ideas... You must slow down and allow people to discuss with you step by step. When you did not "win" the first step, you cannot move to another one.

Well that is not true. You did not read that last post with all the scriptures in it showing context and your error of interpretation of Luke 16:16 did you. Happy to slow things down if you like? Where did you want to start? How about the questions in the OP here which have been ignored?

 

[trophy33]

Hmm you did not read that last post with all the scriptures in it showing context and your error of interpretation did you. Happy to slow things down if you like?

Everybody would like you to "slow down" and stop copy-pasting of your prepared lists.

Step 1 - show me in the New Testament any obligation given to Christians after the resurrection of Christ to keep the weekly Sabbath.

Just one or two verses so that its possible to react.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Everybody would like you to "slow down" and stop copy-pasting of your prepared lists. Step 1 - show me in the New Testament any obligation given to Christians after the resurrection of Christ to keep the weekly Sabbath. Just one or two verses so that its possible to react.

When I post scriptures in relation to a topic. It is the result of my own personal prayerful bible study seeking God's guidence through his Spirit in his WORD. They are God's WORD's not my words. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4. It is JESUS that says all those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9 who then should we believe and follow; God or man? I know who I believe and follow *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29.

How about more then one scripture? Here you go...

*GOD'S LAW (taught in the NEW COVENANT) click me.

*GOD 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE NEW COVENANT click me

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Now your turn brother where is the scripture in God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

God bless.

 

[trophy33]

When I post scriptures in relation to a topic. It is the result of my own personal prayerful bible study seeking God's guidence through his Spirit in his WORD. They are God's WORD's not my words. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4. It is JESUS that says all those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9 who then should we believe and follow; God or man? I know who I believe and follow *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29.

How about more then one? here you go...

*GOD'S LAW (taught in the NEW COVENANT) click me.

*GOD 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE NEW COVENANT click me

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Now your turn brother where is the scripture in God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

God bless.

I do not know, you are acting like if you were some kind of a commercial - "click me, click me".. do you have any interest in a sincere discussion?

My first question - do you have any verse in which we can see an obligation given to Christians after the Christ to keep the weekly Sabbath? Try to focus.

 

[Hammster]

Really, then you should be able to prove it with God's WORD. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? The burden is sin not God's LAW in the NEW COVENANT that gives us the knowledge of what SIN is *ROMANS 3:20.

God bless.

Many others have shown you. You’ve rejected what they’ve said in favor of man’s teaching.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I do not know, you are acting like if you were some kind of a commercial - "click me, click me".. do you have any interest in a sincere discussion?

My first question - do you have any verse in which we can see an obligation given to Christians after the Christ to keep the weekly Sabbath? Try to focus.

Your post was addressed with God's WORD did you want to answer my question to you? Try to focus.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Many others have shown you. You’ve rejected what they’ve said in favor of man’s teaching.

Really? What did I reject and what did others show me? You still cannot answer the questions asked of you can you. It is JESUS not me that says all those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. These are God's WORD not mine.

 

[trophy33]

Your post was addressed with God's WORD did you want to answer my question to you? Try to focus.

This is a loss of time. Its like talking to Jehovah witness (or to a woman). It leads nowhere.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This is a loss of time. Its like talking to Jehovah witness. It leads nowhere.

I guess so if you are not able to participate in the discussion and answer my questions as I answer yours. Let's be honest now, you have no scripture do you because there is none.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Ok trying to get this back to the OP. Does anyone want to have a go at answering the OP questions?

1. If there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment that gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Why do many ignore God's WORD to follow the teachings and traditions of men?

2. Who does God's WORD define as being God's true people?

3. In light of MATTHEW 15:3-9; Who should we believe and follow; God or man?

4. Are those who continue in a life of known unrepentant sin in a saved state before God or in an unsaved state before God?

Look forward to your thoughts...

God bless

 

[trophy33]

Ok trying to get this back to the OP. Does anyone want to have a go at answering the OP questions?

1. If there is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment that gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Why do many ignore God's WORD to follow the teachings and traditions of men?

2. Who does God's WORD define as being God's true people?

3. In light of MATTHEW 15:3-9; Who should we believe and follow; God or man?

4. Are those who continue in a life of known unrepentant sin in a saved state before God or in an unsaved state before God?

Look forward to your thoughts...

God bless

1. These Scriptures are saying that the Sabbath commandment does not apply anymore:
"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival , a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
(Col 2:16-17)

"One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."
(Rom 14:5)

2. Christians

3. God, but through apostles and their teaching.

4. God will judge that individually. Mr. X is not Mr. Y and nobody lives in the same way and intensity.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

1. These Scriptures are saying that the Sabbath commandment does not apply anymore: "Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival , a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." (Col 2:16-17)

Arr nope. Here are the scriptures that show the context and why here linked and here linked.

"One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."(Rom 14:5)

Nope again. ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment of any of God's 10

2. Christians

How does God's WORD define who a Christian is?

3. God, but through apostles and their teaching.

Indeed something we agree on. If only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it and JESUS says all those who knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATHEW 15:3-9. Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

4. God will judge that individually. Mr. X is not Mr. Y and nobody lives in the same way and intensity.

Nope you did not answer the questions.

Thanks for sharing and having a go at the OP questions.

God bless.

 

[trophy33]

Arr nope. Here are the scriptures that show the context and why here linked and here linked.

You got the context wrong. The context is as the general Church teaches.

How does God's WORD define who a Christian is?

The one who is born again.

Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment is abolished

Col 2:16, R 14:5

and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

I never said we are commanded to keep Sunday. Sunday is just theologically important day for church, thats all.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You got the context wrong. The context is as the general Church teaches.

Arr nope. Both the within chapter and within scripture context is analysed in these two posts provided here linked and here linked. You did not read this did you.

The one who is born again.

Yep indeed. Does the BORN AGAIN Christian practice sin? What is sin as defined by God's WORD?

Col 2:16, R 14:5

Nope! Your confused here brother. Happy to go through all the scripture with you if you like? If you disagree with me explain why and respond to my posts and all the scriptures showing the context that disagrees with you. Some earlier posts have already been provided in this thread already showing both the within chapter and within scripture CONTEXT of COL 2 and are posted here linked and here linked. If you disagree with these posts and the scriptures in them please explain why?

For ROMANS 14 your reading into the scripture something that it is not saying. As posted earlier ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment of any of God's 10.

If you disagree please post the scripture that says that ROMANS 14 is talking about Gods' 4th commandment? If you cannot your reading into the scripture something it is not talking about.

Happy to look at ROMANS 14 scripture by scripture if you like? Just let me know.

I never said we are commanded to keep Sunday. Sunday is just theologically important day for church, thats all.

So if Sunday is that important and a Holy day, where is the scripture that says it is in God's WORD?

Thanks for sharing

God bless.

 

[ace of hearts]

How do you know? Are you an authority on the numbers of these groups world wide. Matt 7:14

They're not large enough to be significantly visible.

 

[ace of hearts]

David you may need to re-read the scriptures and your post here. As shown through the scriptures in post # 230 linked click me; Love is expressed through God's LAW not outside of it.

The example given in JAMES 2:15-17 is that if a brother or sister is in need of clothing and you do not DO anything to them except say "God in peace be filled and warm" without GIVING THEM anything necessary to be filled and warm what use is that? Then it goes on to say faith if it does not have works is dead if it is by itself.

This only supports what is posted in JAMES 2:18-20 which says; Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

This is saying that the fruit of faith is in doing what God's WORD says to do. If you do not do what God's WORD says to do then this is the faith of the devils. The Devils BELIEVE in God but do not follow what God says to do.

Hope this helps.

The local SDA people won't even do business with me because I'm not part of their church. This is pure and hate.

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT

Folks, please keep the discussion on the content of the posts. Keep it civil and donot goad. Some clean up was done. ​

 

[trophy33]

Arr nope. Both the within chapter and within scripture context is analysed in these two posts provided here linked and here linked. You did not read this did you.

You and Seven day adventists are mistaken, general church is right.

Yep indeed. Does the BORN AGAIN Christian practice sin? What is sin as defined by God's WORD?

He should not. Sin is doing what God does not want you to do - for example trying to put Christians under the Law.

Nope! Your confused here brother. Happy to go through all the scripture with you if you like? If you disagree with me explain why and respond to my posts and all the scriptures showing the context that disagrees with you. Some earlier posts have already been provided in this thread already showing both the within chapter and within scripture CONTEXT of COL 2 and are posted here linked and here linked. If you disagree with these posts and the scriptures in them please explain why?

For ROMANS 14 your reading into the scripture something that it is not saying. As posted earlier ROMANS 14 is talking about eating and not eating connected to days that men esteem over other days, not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination in God's eyes.

LUKE 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

There is no mention in all of ROMANS 14 of God's 4th commandment of any of God's 10.

If you disagree please post the scripture that says that ROMANS 14 is talking about Gods' 4th commandment? If you cannot your reading into the scripture something it is not talking about.

Happy to look at ROMANS 14 scripture by scripture if you like? Just let me know.

You are mistaken, R 14:5 is talking about days and Sabbath is a day.

So if Sunday is that important and a Holy day, where is the scripture that says it is in God's WORD?

I never said that sunday is a holy day, you are still adding to my words as you are adding to God's words, bad habit in both cases.

Sunday is historically/theologically important day for the Church, because:
1. Christ was ressurrected on Sunday. (J 20:1)
2. After the ressurrection, He appeared to apostles on Sunday. (J 20:19)
3. The second appearance to apostles was again on Sunday (J 20:26)
4. The descent of the Holy Spirit was on Sunday (Lv 23:16)
5. First public preaching was on Sunday (Acts 2:41)
6. First baptism was on Sunday (Acts 2:41)
7. The only mention about the Lord's Supper practice is on Sunday (Acts 20:6-7)

 

[ace of hearts]

David you may need to re-read the scriptures and your post here. As shown through the scriptures in post # 230 linked click me; Love is expressed through God's LAW not outside of it.

The example given in JAMES 2:15-17 is that if a brother or sister is in need of clothing and you do not DO anything to them except say "God in peace be filled and warm" without GIVING THEM anything necessary to be filled and warm what use is that? Then it goes on to say faith if it does not have works is dead if it is by itself.

This only supports what is posted in JAMES 2:18-20 which says; Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

This is saying that the fruit of faith is in doing what God's WORD says to do. If you do not do what God's WORD says to do then this is the faith of the devils. The Devils BELIEVE in God but do not follow what God says to do.

Hope this helps.

James doesn't mention works of the law as proof of salvation. James however does talk about sin and violation of the law to show the law isn't kept by the people being addressed.

 

[ace of hearts]

Hello David, come comments below for your consideration.

Nope no it is not. In the earlier post to you brother scripture is used to define and interpret the scriptures. If you disagree with all the scriptures posted in post # 230 linked click me
please respond to it and show why you disagree with what is posted. Just stating you disagree with the scriptures posted without addressing the post and the scriptures in it that disagree with you, does not make it so because you say so, just as ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

Well that is not true brother, where have I called this scripture a ceremonial law? Please post the link. If I have never called this scripture a ceremonial law why pretend that I have? I suggest you look up the word ceremonial and look at what the meaning is. Ceremonial laws are laws relating to or used for formal religious or public events. For example in the old testament all the laws relating to remission of sin are ceremonial laws; animal sacrifices, sin offerings; the Sanctuary services and the duties of the Levitical priesthood are all ceremonisal laws that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

Hope this helps.

Animal sacrifice was part of the sabbath activity making it ceremonial according to your post. Why was the sabbath celebrated according to Ex 20 and Deut 5? Why the sabbath? Ex 31:13