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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Jenniferdiana, Oct 21, 2017.

  1. Jenniferdiana

    Jenniferdiana Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Why are there so much confusion on these forums? Geeez what are you people talking about? Some of the stuff on here don't even make sense. It gives me a headache to read all of these stuff. Where does that stuff come from?
     
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  2. Blessed Each Day

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    I'd say it's probably because there are many different interpretations of the Bible, and some don't mesh well with others.
     
  3. keras

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    You know what: what you say doesn't make sense! This is an international forum, don't let us think that Americans drop out at the 4th grade!

    But yes, much of what is posted in eschatology forums, is just fanciful notions from those who have been deceived by false teachings. Jesus warned that this would happen; Matthew 24:4, and 2 Timothy 4:3-4, says that many will fall for the fables promoted by people with wrong ideas about what God has planned for the end times.

    We must carefully consider what the Bible prophets tell us and discount anything not clearly stated, or just made up from assumptions and inferences.
    But be assured, God does promise to care for His own and we are told that when things get really bad: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
     
  4. Winken

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    You've been around for a while ....... check out the various forums. Don't hesitate to ask questions, as in Christian Advice. Are you involved in a particular denomination or assembly or calling? Check those out.

    "Father, add your blessings to it all, in Jesus' Name."
     
  5. Jenniferdiana

    Jenniferdiana Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I'm just so confused. I don't know what to believe anymore.
     
  6. Blessed Each Day

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    What are you concerned about/having trouble believing in?
     
  7. Jenniferdiana

    Jenniferdiana Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I mean everything. I don't know..just some stuff don't make sense..do these people really believe what they are actually saying....
     
  8. Jenniferdiana

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    Maybe I shouldn't have made this thread...i really don't want to start something...lol
     
  9. Blessed Each Day

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    You gotta be specific, who are "these people?"
     
  10. Jenniferdiana

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    Lol oh really...why do you say that?
     
  11. Jenniferdiana

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    I know...i know :/
     
  12. keras

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    I'm sorry that I used you as an example of careless spelling and incorrect grammar. Its just that to read errors like that, is disconcerting and also leads others to question the abilities of the poster.
    Here is my article on God's Purpose for His Creation:
    We now have available to us quite sophisticated video games, such as ‘Game of Thrones’, where we can control identities and develop outcomes to the advantage of the player.
    When we consider the empirical data of our environment and the information as given to us in the Book provided by our Maker, it does seem that we are actually part of a carefully set up great cosmic plan1. The Creator God has fashioned a whole universe, [He probably keeps it in a shoebox on the table] and He has fixed the heavenly bodies in space, but Planet Earth is specially established as a place for human existence2. He constantly watches3 our progress or lack of, as the case may be and does occasionally intervene with miraculous things4 and a little tweak of the weather5. He can also control our minds6, although we are free to choose our beliefs and that has a bearing on our actions7.

    Although Satan is an angelic being that has rebelled against God,8 he is allowed to try to deceive humankind,9 in order to provide us with a choice – follow good or evil.10
    God sent Jesus into the world to reiterate how we should live and to provide a way of atonement for all who choose to believe in Him and obey His Commands.11
    Only once so far, He has carried out a reset of civilization, when the situation got out of hand, as in the days of Noah12. Then later, He selected Abraham to father a nation who would become His chosen people, to be His witnesses and to show the right way of living to the rest of the nations.13 The ancient Israelites failed at this task and they were exiled out of the holy Land and city that God had chosen for His own.14

    Now a small portion of the Israelites have returned to a part of the holy Land, but they face constant threats of annihilation from all the surrounding peoples.15 The Prophetic Word says that the Lord is restraining Himself from intervening,16 but when the enemy commences his attack, then He will act.17

    Scripture tells us that He is the Potter, we are the clay and He can remould or smash at will.18 Some are actually made for destruction.19 The forthcoming great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, a terrible judgement/punishment by fire from the sky,20 will once again reset the world’s civilization.21

    The survivors of the nations will establish a One World Government, ruled by 10 Presidents,22 but all the true Christian people will gather and go to live in all of the original Promised Land.23 They will fulfil their destiny, being a light to the nations and proclaiming the coming Kingdom of Jesus.24

    1/ Almighty God is the Creator of all there is.

    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth….

    Jeremiah 10:12 God made the earth by His power

    Psalm 33:11 The Lord’s purpose stands forever….

    2/ The Earth is made for mankind.

    Genesis 1:26-28God created humans in His own image, they have dominion over the earth.

    Isaiah 45:18 The Creator says: I made the earth as a place to be lived in.

    3/ The Lord watches all mankind.

    2 Chron. 16:9 The eyes of the Lord range through the whole world

    Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the Lord survey everyone, good or evil.

    Psalm 11:4 God is on His throne in heaven, His searching gaze tests mankind.

    4/ God can and does perform miracles.

    Exodus 14:21-28the Israelites went over the Red sea on dry land

    John 11:43 Jesus said: Lazarus, come forth.

    5/ God controls the weather.

    Genesis 41:25-32there will be seven good years and then seven years of famine.

    1 Kings 18:41-45Elijah prayed for rain to break the drought.

    Psalm 135:3-5 The Lord is great, He brings up clouds and makes the rain.

    6/ He can control our minds.

    Deut. 29:4 To this day, the Lord has not given you a mind to understand.

    Isaiah 29:9-11 If you believe false teachings, then the Lord will pour upon you a spirit of deep stupor and the prophetic vision will become as a sealed book.

    Isaiah 56:10-11 All Israel’s watchmen are blind, perceiving nothing

    Matthew 11:25 Father, You have hidden the truth from the wise and revealed it to the simple.

    7/ We can choose the path we travel through life.

    Genesis 2:15-17…you are free to eat of any tree, but if you eat from the tree of the knowledge you will then know of the difference between good and evil.

    Proverbs 16:16 Choose wisdom rather than gold, discernment before silver.

    8/ Satan, Lucifer, the Devil, that great Dragon.

    Ezekiel 28:11-15 You were full of wisdom and beauty…until iniquity came into you.
    Luke 4:6 All the earth has been put into my hands….

    Rev. 12:3-17…that great Dragon lost his place in heaven… he pursued the ‘woman’, but she was taken to a place of safety, so he went to wage war on the other faithful Christians.

    9/ Satan is a cunning deceiver.

    Genesis 4:6-7 The Lord said to Cain: Why are you angry? You must keep upright, for sin is a demon crouching at the door, it will take you over

    1 Peter 5:8 Look out! The Devil is like a roaring lion, looking for prey.

    10/ It’s our choice – follow good or evil.

    Joshua 24:15choose now whom you will serve, the God of our fathers or of the Amorites.

    Isaiah 56:4-5those who choose to do My will, will receive an everlasting blessing.

    11/ The Way of the Lord is the right Way.

    Isaiah 48:17 The Lord says: I teach you for your own wellbeing

    Micah 6:8 The Lord has told you mortals what is good, act justly, be loyal and humble.

    John 14:6 Jesus said: I am the Way, the Truth and the Light

    12/ The days of Noah.

    Genesis 6:5-13 When God saw how great was the wickedness of humans on earth, He wiped them out with a great flood, only Noah and his family survived.

    Matthew 24:27 As it was in the days of Noah, again it will be when the Son of Man comes.

    13/ A chosen people, the Lord’s witnesses.

    Deut.10:15 God loved the forefathers and He chose their descendants after them.

    Psalm 65:4-5 Happy are those whom You chose, God our Deliverer

    John 15:1-26 I am the Vine, you are the branches…you are to bear fruit in plenty and so be My disciples…You did not choose Me, I chose you…to be My witnesses throughout the world.

    14/ The Exile punishment of the Israelites.

    Deut. 4:25-27 If you anger the Lord by sinning against Him, then He will scatter you among the nations and leave you few in number in the places where He will lead you.

    2 Kings 17:20-23 When God separated Israel from the House of David, they persisted in sinning. So the Lord rejected the descendants of Israel and flung them out of His presence. They were taken to Assyria and remain in exile to this day.

    Jeremiah 16:10-13 Tell Judah how they have forsaken Me and do not keep My Law, they follow their wicked and stubborn hearts. So I shall fling them headlong out of this Land, into unknown countries, there to serve other gods.

    15/ The Jewish State of Israel is now facing serious threats of attack.

    Psalm 83:1-8 …our enemies raise an uproar, they devise a cunning plot against Israel. They say: Let us wipe them out as a nation, let the name of Israel be remembered no more.

    Micah 4:11-12 Now; many nations are massed against you, they say: Let Israel suffer disaster, but they do not know God’s thoughts or understand His purposes – they are like sheaves gathered for threshing.

    16/ God is refraining from intervening until the last moment.

    Isaiah 42:14 Long have I restrained Myself, I keep silence and hold Myself in check. But now I am like a woman in labour, soon I will lay waste to the countryside and dry it up.

    Habakkuk 3:12-14 In anger, You traverse the earth, You trample down the nations. You will shatter the wicked, sweeping them away as they commence their secret attack.

    Psalm 7:12-16 The enemy makes ready his weapons, but his nefarious actions will recoil upon himself, his violent attack will fall onto his own head.

    Joel 3:4 What are you Philistines doing? If you try to take vengeance on Me, I shall make your weapons recoil swiftly onto your own heads.

    17/ The Lord will take action against the godless nations.

    Isaiah 34:1-8 Listen everybody: the Lord’s anger is against all the nations and His wrath is against their military forces. For My sword will appear in the sky, the atmosphere will roll away as it descends in judgement. There will be a great slaughter in Edom, [non Israelite nations] and a sacrifice in Bozrah. [Places where the exiled Israelites live.]

    Isaiah 28:21 But the Lord will arise, as He did in ancient times, He will storm with rage to do what He must do, to perform His task, an unusual act.

    18/ He is the Potter, we are the clay.

    Jeremiah 18:1-9My people, I can deal with you just like a potter does with the clay….I can at any moment uproot a nation or plant and build up another nation or kingdom. But if it does evil in My sight, then I will reconsider the good that I had in mind for them.

    Romans 9:20-21 Who do you think you are, to answer your Creator back?...Surely the Potter can do what He likes with the clay. Is he not free to make two vessels out of one lump, one to be treasured, the other for common use?

    19/ Some are made for destruction.

    Romans 9:22-23 But if it is indeed God’s purpose to display His retribution and make His power known, can it be that He has with great patience tolerated vessels made to be objects of His wrath and destined for destruction?

    Jeremiah 9: 25-26, 21-22 The time is coming when I shall punish all the circumcised, the dwellers in the Middle East, for all alike including My people, Israel, are uncircumcised in their hearts. Death will come into the houses and those outside will fall. Corpses will lie like dung in the fields, like swaths behind the Reaper, with no one to bury them.

    Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made each thing for its own end, so He has made the wicked for a Day of calamity.

    Hebrews 10:27…there remains only a terrifying fire that will consume God’s enemies.

    20/ The great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath.

    Isaiah 30:25-28on the Day of massacre, when all military power is destroyed….the sun will shine with seven times its normal strength…[A Coronal Mass Ejection] The Lord’s anger blazes and His doom is heavy upon the nations that He has decreed for destruction.

    Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord is near and approaches fast. That Day is a Day of devastation and dire distress to all peoples who have sinned against the Lord, their blood will be poured out and their entrails like dung. Their wealth and strength will not save them from the fire of His wrath. The entire holy Land will be consumed, for He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live there.

    Malachi 4:1-3 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all the godless evildoers will become stubble, set ablaze and as ashes under your feet, on the Day that I take action.

    Revelation 6:12-17 As the Lamb broke the Sixth Seal, there was a violent earthquake, the sun was darkened, [by the approaching CME mass] and the moon blood red. [by the hit from this CME] The sky rolled up, [the atmosphere pushed aside] and there was a meteor shower. Everyone could see what was coming and they tried to hide, terrified by their impending doom: for the great Day of wrath of God Almighty and the Lamb has come and who can stand?

    21/ The Second ‘Reset of Civilization’.

    Deuteronomy 32:22, 34-35, 43 God has in reserve, sealed in His storehouse, waiting for the Day of punishment and vengeance: a fire to be set ablaze by His wrath. It will devour the earth and its harvest, reaching to the very roots of the mountains. When those who hate Him make a mistake, He will avenge the blood of His people and cleanse His Land.

    Jeremiah 25:30-33 The Lord thunders from His dwelling place, He roars loudly against all the inhabitants of the holy Land. Everyone on earth hears the great sound, for He brings His charge against the nations and arraigns all mankind. He has handed the wicked over to destruction. Ruin spreads from nation to nation, [as the earth rotates] and those whom the Lord has killed on that Day, will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other.

    2 Peter 3:7 By God’s Word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for burning, kept until the Day of judgement, when the godless will be destroyed.

    22/ The long planned One World Government, soon to be ruled by a dictator.

    Daniel 7:23-24a fourth kingdom will appear on earth…it will take over the whole earth, controlling all aspects of life with great power. Ten Presidents will initially rule the ten regions, but another powerful leader will arise and take dictatorial control over all.

    Revelation 17:12-13 & 13:11-18 The ten horns you saw represent ten kings, who will confer their authority onto the beast. The beast whose mortal wound had been healed makes everyone worship his image and to take his mark, otherwise they cannot buy or sell.

    23/ The Lord’s righteous people, be they true descendants of Jacob or grafted in, Romans 11:13-21, will gather and go to live in all of the holy Land.

    Isaiah 51:5-6 In an instant, I will bring victory and deliver My people. Look: although the sky is dispersed like smoke and people die like flies, My saving power to you is everlasting.

    Isaiah 66:18-20 I am coming to gather people of every tongue, they will come to see My glory. From all the world, in every type of conveyance they will come, as an offering to God.

    Isaiah 62:1-5 For Zion’s sake, I shall not keep silent, her victory and deliverance is like a blazing torch. The Land will be called Beulah and I will delight in My people who live there.

    Jeremiah 23:3 I Myself, will gather the remnant of My sheep from all the lands to which I have dispersed them. I shall bring them back to their rightful homes and they will be fruitful and increase.

    Zechariah 8:7-8 This is the Word of the Lord: I am about to rescue My people from the countries in the East and the West and bring them back to live in the holy Land. They will be My people and I will be their God.

    24/ The Lord’s people, the new nation of Beulah living in all of the holy Land.

    Isaiah 49:8 These are the Words of the Lord: In the time of My favour, I answered you, on the Day of deliverance I came to your aid. I have prepared you and destined you to be a ‘light to the nations’, and to restore the desolated Land.

    Ezekiel 39:25-29 When I bring My people back from the nations, when they live once more in their homeland undisturbed and free from terror, then they will forget their shame and unfaithfulness to Me – for I shall pour out My Spirit upon them and they will display My holiness for many nations to see.

    Isaiah 42:6 I the Lord, have called you for a righteous purpose and taken you by the hand. I have formed you and destined you to be a light for the peoples, a lamp for the nations.

    Revelation 7:1-10 After that, [The Sixth Seal judgement/punishment of the nations.] there will be no further disasters until the Seal of God is placed upon the foreheads of His servants. 144,000 were marked and with them was a vast throng of people from every race, tribe, nation and language. They shouted: Victory to our God who sits on the throne and to the Lamb!

    Reference; Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged and paraphrased.

    Revelation 14:1-6 proves all this takes place in Jerusalem and the Lord is ‘revealed to His own’, 2 Thess. 1:10 and ‘to the elders of His people’, Isaiah 24:23. The leader they elect, Jer. 30:21 ‘will approach Him’, as Moses did.
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  13. paul1149

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    There's a lot of craziness when it comes to Last Things. It may help to recall the reasons we have been given end time prophecy. I can think of two: to give hope, and as a warning.

    We're supposed to look forward to the end, because our salvation is drawing closer. So when we see how bad the world is, the rescue of the church and its new life with Christ should be a comfort.

    When Jesus gives the end time discourses, such as at Mt 24, He repeatedly says we should stay alert and watchful. The reason is that difficult times are going to come, which will put a lot of stress on us and our faith. He does not want these contrary events to shake our faith.

    So both the hope and the warnings work together to protect our faith in adverse circumstances. That's it. The rest on our part is an attempt to understand seasons and times, and yes, that gets crazy quickly, and I often have a hard time seeing God in it, but maybe that's me. But the basics are to watch and pray, so we're not caught unawares.

    Lest we go off the deep end, any study of history will show horrific persecutions have already occurred. There have been individual cases where I can't imagine a worse fate befalling a person. So for some people "great tribulation" has already come.
     
  14. Handmaid for Jesus

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    I don't mean this harshly, but what do YOU believe?Our Father is not the author of confusion. So, if there is confusion just know that it is satan who is doing the confusing. May I suggest that you should spend more time reading our Father's word and asking Him to open your eyes to the truth.
    1Cor. 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

    You need to know what it is that You believe and not be pulled by every wind and doctrine.
    Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
     
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    Sometimes it can be funny. Like right now I can't tell if you're being serious, or if you're having fun. You did a thread like this before where you said it gave you a headache. That time was sort of humorous too.

     
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    Because eschatology, the study of the end times, has many components to it. And people have come to different conclusions about each of those components - woven together in a view that they hold.
     
  17. Handmaid for Jesus

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    I agree. It is humorous to me that people who who want us to stop posting about end times consistently read end times forums.^_^
     
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    Being that this is in the eschatology forum, I'm assuming you're referring to this particular area of study.
    It is the most difficult branch of theology to study due to the amount of time and subjects one has to delve into. The reasons for so much "confusion" vary ranging from simply not reading/comprehending the Scripture itself to a lack of understanding Bible architecture. Some of the stuff you read in this section is just regurgitated commentary from other websites.
    Parrots can be trained to repeat just about anything, but it doesn't do them much good beyond making a lot of noise since the parrots themselves don't understand it.
     
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  19. Jenniferdiana

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    :-/ I will just stop reading ...
     
  20. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

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    That's a mistake. Although hardly worse than the mistake of believing false doctrines.

    I know the Prophetic Word very well and am constantly amazed at how God has comprehensively and accurately described our future. We CAN know what He has planned.
    Don't let the large volume and how the prophesies are mixed amongst other scripture, put you off.
    Otherwise you will just be in the dark about what will happen. 1 Thessalonians 5:4
     
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