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No, what is annoying are your debate tactics ...1. It sounds like you're getting a bit annoyed that we are free to say what we want, and that the Bible is no longer legally protected from criticism. That is a pity.
...since this thread, AS YOU'VE REPEATEDLY POINTED OUT, is supposedly for the sole purpose of honing in on ONLY the existence of slavery in the Bible and God's apparent approval of the particularly ancient version of slavery we find instituted in ancient Israel, I'm not seeing why I would suddenly need to address any other thing you just happen to stumble over in the Bible and feel appalled by.2. You haven't addressed the cases of people within the Bible committing appalling acts, including taking slaves.
I suppose asserting that you have the "moral high ground"----a position that you, yourself, did say you need not get diverted into defending because it would take us away from the primary focus here------isn't a distraction?3. The question on this thread is "Does the Bible endorse slavery and say that it is right to take, keep and punish slaves". That question was answered many, many pages ago - indeed, almost from the start. Since then, you and Halbhh have been trying to, well, basically, distract us from the main issue, with discussions about Czech politicians, Israelite judges and the Golden Rule - any of which may have made fascinating discussions, but none of which address the real issue.
Of course they took slaves, as did just about everyone in those days! And when the Israelites refused to repent of their oppressive attitudes toward WELL-INTENDED FOREIGNERS which God warned the Israelites against.... God punished and displaced the Israelites at various times, in various ways... and oh, how they've suffered for it!Your own particular defence (which seems to be "Despite what it says in the Old Testament, it wouldn't have worked out like that in practice, because of various other factors") doesn't hold water. First, the Bible quite clearly shows people taking, keeping and punishing slaves, at the command of God and His chosen prophets. Second, the question is not "Were the Israelites a slave state comparable to, say, antebellum USA?" but rather, "Does the Bible support slavery?"
I don't consider Christian Apologetics to be a 'debate.' My only job is to attempt to answer questions that are posed to me ... that's it! I'm not here thinking I can convince anyone to accept Christianity or the Bible. My epistemological conceptualization about how Christian faith works doesn't entertain that notion ...That question has now been answered; and, by your failure to even address it, you are effectively conceding the debate.
... right. God is 'happy' to punish unrepentant sinners, whether they be you or me, or even the careless, stiff-necked Israelite of Old. And He may allow slavery to fit the bill of punishment ...God has shown that He is happy for people to enslave others.
The Bible is pro-slavery.
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