Sitting while Black

[CaDan]

Black man breaks law. Black man refuses to comply with lawful order. Black man resists arrest Black man cries racism. Same old story, new actors

Would you care to retract your defamatory statement now?

 

[bhsmte]

And . . . the City Attorney has stated the area was not "employees only" and was open to the public according the the Pioneer Press.

City attorney: FNB seats in skyway are public | NewsCut | Minnesota Public Radio News

You can go the the PressPatch to see the rest of the story, but there is a disturbing video of Public Negritude there.

Also reported is that that the building owners are messing around trying to prevent reporting by lying about public use of the space.

Good enough for me.

This guy should sue the security guard and his employer and they should examine the behavior of the male cop.

 

[bhsmte]

Would you care to retract your defamatory statement now?

Good luck with that.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

And . . . the City Attorney has stated the area was not "employees only" and was open to the public according the the Pioneer Press.

City attorney: FNB seats in skyway are public | NewsCut | Minnesota Public Radio News

You can go the the PressPatch to see the rest of the story, but there is a disturbing video of Public Negritude there.

Also reported is that that the building owners are messing around trying to prevent reporting by lying about public use of the space.

Then shame on whoever called the police. Because if it wasn't for that person, none of this would've happened. However, it still puts blame on the police for overreacting and it still puts some blame on Mr. Lollie for responding in an aggressive manner.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Good enough for me.

This guy should sue the security guard and his employer and they should examine the behavior of the male cop.

I agree.

Mr. Lollie didn't exactly react in the manner he should've either, but he is the most innocent of the group here.

 

[bhsmte]

Then shame on whoever called the police. Because if it wasn't for that person, none of this would've happened. However, it still puts blame on the police for overreacting and it still puts some blame on Mr. Lollie for responding in an aggressive manner.

Correct. The lynch pin here is the security guard and his employer that told him to leave a public place and calling the cops.

The cops were put in a tough spot and Hollie could have made that go smoother.

 

[HorsieJuice]

Correct. The lynch pin here is the security guard and his employer that told him to leave a public place and calling the cops.

The cops were put in a tough spot and Hollie could have made that go smoother.

What's "tough" about trying to get a guy to stop (allegedly) trespassing when he's already left (or is in the process of leaving) the "private" area? He's already doing what you want him to do. What's "tough" about responding to a person who's agitated, but not violent? By his own account, the 2nd cop is the one who initiated physical contact - and merely because he thought the guy clenched his fist.

If that's "tough," then god forbid these cops face a real criminal.

 

[USincognito]

Security guards have the authority to question and detain people;

In most cases, no we do not. In a private area (like a corporate campus) you can stop people and ask if they are employees, ask to see their company ID, etc. In semi-private areas (like parking lots) you can ask the same thing and request that they leave. If they refuse, you have to call the police with a trespass complaint.

... why would they not have the authority to ask someone to leave an area?

In most cases that only applies to private and semi-private areas. On my campus we have parking lots where we can ask people to leave. If they are on a public street, we cannot. We have to get the police involved and then only if they're committing a crime.

Is this something that varies from state to state, or city to city? Does the authority granted a security guard depend on where he works? I don't know - does someone else know?

I can only speak for Texas. YMMV by state.

 

[bhsmte]

What's "tough" about trying to get a guy to stop (allegedly) trespassing when he's already left (or is in the process of leaving) the "private" area? He's already doing what you want him to do. What's "tough" about responding to a person who's agitated, but not violent? By his own account, the 2nd cop is the one who initiated physical contact - and merely because he thought the guy clenched his fist.

If that's "tough," then god forbid these cops face a real criminal.

As I have stated, the cops were put in a tough spot, because they were simply responding to a call, and there job is to investigate. It also appears to me, Hollie made matters worse by his behavior and it also seemed to me, the male cop could have chilled a little bit.

 

[CaDan]

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[HorsieJuice]

As I have stated, the cops were put in a tough spot, because they were simply responding to a call, and there job is to investigate. It also appears to me, Hollie made matters worse by his behavior and it also seemed to me, the male cop could have chilled a little bit.

I'm disagreeing with the claim that they were in a tough spot. This should've been a pretty easy call for them.

First, I'd hope that a cop would know that the skyways are public areas - right off the bat, they should have told the security guard that he was wrong and that there was no problem. But barring that, they were - at worst - investigating a trespassing complaint. Lollie was already proceeding out of the area when they arrived, so the trespassing was already over and as has been pointed out, if they didn't witness the trespassing, there's not much they can do. So what was the reason for chasing him down?

The cops escalated things. Period.

 

[bhsmte]

I'm disagreeing with the claim that they were in a tough spot. This should've been a pretty easy call for them.

First, I'd hope that a cop would know that the skyways are public areas - right off the bat, they should have told the security guard that he was wrong and that there was no problem. But barring that, they were - at worst - investigating a trespassing complaint. Lollie was already proceeding out of the area when they arrived, so the trespassing was already over and as has been pointed out, if they didn't witness the trespassing, there's not much they can do. So what was the reason for chasing him down?

The cops escalated things. Period.

The male cop escalated things and Hollie did as well, IMO.

 

[CaDan]

I'm disagreeing with the claim that they were in a tough spot. This should've been a pretty easy call for them.

First, I'd hope that a cop would know that the skyways are public areas - right off the bat, they should have told the security guard that he was wrong and that there was no problem. But barring that, they were - at worst - investigating a trespassing complaint. Lollie was already proceeding out of the area when they arrived, so the trespassing was already over and as has been pointed out, if they didn't witness the trespassing, there's not much they can do. So what was the reason for chasing him down?

The cops escalated things. Period.

The actual skyway foot patrol officer--Officer Hayne--seemed to know that. While she was sort of a pest to Mr. Lollie, she isn't the one who decided to make an assault and an illegal arrest. It was the second officer, Officer Johnson, who was the aggressor here.

With Officer Hayne now apparently retired and no longer under the thumb of the SPPD, her testimony in any future action will be very interesting.

 

[keith99]

Then shame on whoever called the police. Because if it wasn't for that person, none of this would've happened. However, it still puts blame on the police for overreacting and it still puts some blame on Mr. Lollie for responding in an aggressive manner.

The male cop should lose his badge. End of story.

Unless we want to get technical and have assault charges filed.

Female cop was reasonable, would have been smarter to ask if he wants to file a complaint against the security guard as that would pretty much force him to give his name or drop the issue.

 

[HorsieJuice]

Would you care to retract your defamatory statement now?

Still waiting...

 

[bhsmte]

Still waiting...

Don't hold your breath on this one.

 

[HorsieJuice]

Don't hold your breath on this one.

Oh, I'm not. It would be nice, though, if certain posters at least made some sort of effort to be honest and admit when they're wrong.

 

[bhsmte]

Oh, I'm not. It would be nice, though, if certain posters at least made some sort of effort to be honest and admit when they're wrong.

Some just can't, it would be too painful for them to admit when they are wrong.

 

[keith99]

Oh, I'm not. It would be nice, though, if certain posters at least made some sort of effort to be honest and admit when they're wrong.

Some posters cannot afford that honesty.

 

[DaisyDay]

Then shame on whoever called the police. Because if it wasn't for that person, none of this would've happened. However, it still puts blame on the police for overreacting and it still puts some blame on Mr. Lollie for responding in an aggressive manner.

It's not aggressive to refuse to give your name.