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Sins of the prophet Muhammad

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CZzyzx41 said:
"If one did what was good he will repent of not having done more, and if one did evil he will repent of not having restrained himself."

While this appears to be a law of everlasting guilt, I believe great happiness can be obtained therein. It explains clearly in one sentence my belief that I need to live in a constant state of repentance. Always asking forgiveness for doing evil and always striving to do more good. I would put this right next to the "golden rule".

If I may add a comment on your statement... I would like to say that, if a person acknowledge the true GOD and repent his/her guilt will be removed and the man will acquire peace and patience though we must not forget that Shaitan is still striving hard 24/7/365/life to invite the believers to stray from the right path and accept evil out of ignorance - Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said the shaitan of a pious person also knows how to invite and challenge a pious person - this is the main reason why we must seek refuge in GOD. again one who believe testify to the fact that this life is a test and those who do bad deeds have the option of repenting until the moment they see the angel of death.

Lot of people make plans for entire life by forgetting that they do not know when they will die and they don't know what will happen the next moment or will they be able to open the eyes after they have closed it to get a nap...this realization makes the person strive hard to do good always and stay away from bad deeds.

Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 2 Number 694 - Narrated Abu Dhar

I asked the Prophet, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and to fight for His cause." I then asked, "What is the best kind of manumission (of slaves)?" He replied, "The manumission of the most expensive slave and the most beloved by his master." I said, "If I cannot afford to do that?" He said, "Help the weak or do good for a person who cannot work for himself." I said, "If I cannot do that?" He said, "Refrain from harming others for this will be regarded as a charitable deed for your own good."
 
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rasul said:
Bookofknowledge, if you prefer, I will delete the allegations that I consider were successfully answered by you or others.

As long as your questions are clarified and you personally think deleting the allegations is the right thing to do - Then do as you please.

Personally I think its a human nature that people get offened but again if everyone is not allowed to experess his/her feeling then how are we going to resolve the issues/concerns? also every person has his/her own way of asking questions and responding to the question...
 
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Shy21 said:
Its interesting you say that. Christians dont seem to realize they put their trust in a falliable man who claims he is a "god" also;)


If fallible man can be resurrected from the dead then why dont you try it;)
 
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Muslims don't believe Jesus was crucified, Green Man.

If they don't believe he was crucified, then they obviously don't believe he was ressurected.

Surah 4:157

That they said (in boast), "We Killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah." But the killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for a surety they killed him not.



Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali notes in his commentry on the Bible:

Christian churches make it cardinal point of their doctrine that his life was taken on the Cross, that he died and was buried, that on the third day he rose in a body with his wounds intact, and walked about and conversed, and ate with his disciples, and was afterwards taken up bodily to heaven. this is necessary for the theological doctrine of blood sacrifice and vicarious atonement for sins, which is rejected by Islam.



But whilst they don't believe Jesus was crucified or was ressurected, the Quran does note that he accended into heaven:

Surah 4:158:

Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is exalted in power.
 
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S Walch said:
Muslims don't believe Jesus was crucified, Green Man.

If they don't believe he was crucified, then they obviously don't believe he was ressurected.

Surah 4:157

That they said (in boast), "We Killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah." But the killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for a surety they killed him not.



Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali notes in his commentry on the Bible:

Christian churches make it cardinal point of their doctrine that his life was taken on the Cross, that he died and was buried, that on the third day he rose in a body with his wounds intact, and walked about and conversed, and ate with his disciples, and was afterwards taken up bodily to heaven. this is necessary for the theological doctrine of blood sacrifice and vicarious atonement for sins, which is rejected by Islam.



But whilst they don't believe Jesus was crucified or was ressurected, the Quran does note that he accended into heaven:

Surah 4:158:

Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is exalted in power.
In that case,it's quite apparent that Book and lismore are not quite connecting.It would seem that lismore is under the impression they do believe in the whole resurrection story.
 
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ah, you make a good point there then Green man.


Some muslims believe that it was Judas Iscariot that was crucified instead of Jesus, who was made to look like jesus because of Allah. Others beleive it was simon of Cyrene, who carried Christ's cross briefly (see matthew 27:32 (a)), took Jesus' Place.

- that's for you Lismore :)

(a) Matthew 27:32

32 As they were on the way, they came across a man named Simon, who was from Cyrene, and they forced him to carry Jesus' cross.
 
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Green Man said:
Bookofknowledge,do muslims accept the resurrection of Jesus?Or do you see that as just another corruption of the Bible?

if you wish, I may able to explain what Islam speaks about this event but not with what people think but through Qur'aan and Ahadith..

resurrection means rebirth.. correct? according to qur'aan Jesus was not crucified. If any one who didn't die how can he undergo rebirth?

Jesus will descend...

Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 3 Number 425 - Narrated Abu Huraira

Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims who are in the protection of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and nobody will accept charitable gifts.


4:157
They even say: "We have killed the Messiah, Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam, the Rasool of Allah." Whereas in fact, neither did they kill him nor did they crucify him but they thought they did because the matter was made dubious for them. Those who differ therein are only in doubt. They have no real knowledge, they follow nothing but merely a conjecture, certainly they did not kill him (Jesus).

4:158
Nay! The fact is that Allah took him up to Himself. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

4:159
There is none of the People of the Book but will believe in this fact before his death; and on the Day of Resurrection Jesus will bear witness against them.
 
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Muslims don't believe Jesus was crucified, Green Man.

If they don't believe he was crucified, then they obviously don't believe he was ressurected.

Surah 4:157

That they said (in boast), "We Killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah." But the killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for a surety they killed him not.


I would like to know how it is possible for people who were not born until centuries after the fact could know more about what happened than the people who were there?This verse pretty much says the people that were there don't have a clue what they're talking about.
 
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Green Man said:
Muslims don't believe Jesus was crucified, Green Man.

If they don't believe he was crucified, then they obviously don't believe he was ressurected.

Surah 4:157

That they said (in boast), "We Killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah." But the killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for a surety they killed him not.

I would like to know how it is possible for people who were not born until centuries after the fact could know more about what happened than the people who were there?This verse pretty much says the people that were there don't have a clue what they're talking about.

this is not possible for people who were not born until centuries after the fact could know more about what happened than the people who were there but this very term is very common in the knowledge which was revealed to Prophets by Allah (ONE GOD without any partner)

68:7
Surely it is your Rabb Who knows those who have strayed from His Way, as He knows best those who are rightly guided.

Yusuf Ali - Note 5597 (Sura 68 Ayah 7)
Men set up false standards of judgment. The right standard is that of Allah. For His knowledge is complete and all-embracing; He reads hidden motives as well as things that appear before men's sight; and He knows the past history in which the roots of present actions are embedded, as well as the future consequences of present actions.

3:55
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject Faith to the Day of Resurrection; then shall ye all return unto Me and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute
 
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Bookofknowledge said:
if you wish, I may able to explain what Islam speaks about this event but not with what people think but through Qur'aan and Ahadith..

resurrection means rebirth.. correct? according to qur'aan Jesus was not crucified. If any one who didn't die how can he undergo rebirth?

Jesus will descend...

Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 3 Number 425 - Narrated Abu Huraira

Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims who are in the protection of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and nobody will accept charitable gifts.


4:157
They even say: "We have killed the Messiah, Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam, the Rasool of Allah." Whereas in fact, neither did they kill him nor did they crucify him but they thought they did because the matter was made dubious for them. Those who differ therein are only in doubt. They have no real knowledge, they follow nothing but merely a conjecture, certainly they did not kill him (Jesus).

4:158
Nay! The fact is that Allah took him up to Himself. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

4:159
There is none of the People of the Book but will believe in this fact before his death; and on the Day of Resurrection Jesus will bear witness against them.


Ah,I see now.Allah in his infinite wisdom led the Jews to believe he had been crucified when actually he was still alive.So,bottom line is,Allah perpatrated a deliberate hoax upon the people.Allah lied.
 
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Green Man said:
Ah,I see now.Allah in his infinite wisdom led the Jews to believe he had been crucified when actually he was still alive.So,bottom line is,Allah perpatrated a deliberate hoax upon the people.Allah lied.

3:54
The unbelievers among the children of Israel plotted against Isa and Allah also devised a plan to raise him up, and Allah is the best in planning.

10:21
When We show mercy to mankind after some calamity had afflicted them, they begin to plot against Our revelations! Tell them: "Allah is more swift in plotting than you; indeed Our angels are recording all the plots you make."

10:22
He is the One Who enables you to travel through the land and by the sea; until when you are on board a ship, as the ship sails with a favorable wind and they feel happy about it; but when there comes a stormy wind and the waves reach them from all sides and they think they are being overwhelmed: then they pray to Allah with their sincere devotion, saying, "If You deliver us from this, we shall become your true thankful devotees!"

10:23
Yet, when He does deliver them, behold! The same people become unjustly rebellious in the land. O mankind! Your rebellion is against your own souls - (you may enjoy) the transitory pleasure of this world - in the end you have to return to Us, then We shall inform you of what you have done.
 
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Bookofknowledge said:
3:54
The unbelievers among the children of Israel plotted against Isa and Allah also devised a plan to raise him up, and Allah is the best in planning.

10:21
When We show mercy to mankind after some calamity had afflicted them, they begin to plot against Our revelations! Tell them: "Allah is more swift in plotting than you; indeed Our angels are recording all the plots you make."

10:22
He is the One Who enables you to travel through the land and by the sea; until when you are on board a ship, as the ship sails with a favorable wind and they feel happy about it; but when there comes a stormy wind and the waves reach them from all sides and they think they are being overwhelmed: then they pray to Allah with their sincere devotion, saying, "If You deliver us from this, we shall become your true thankful devotees!"

10:23
Yet, when He does deliver them, behold! The same people become unjustly rebellious in the land. O mankind! Your rebellion is against your own souls - (you may enjoy) the transitory pleasure of this world - in the end you have to return to Us, then We shall inform you of what you have done.
And what was the purpose of this little sermon?
 
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Green Man said:
And what was the purpose of this little sermon?

Mankind has, is and will be held responsible for their own actions…

10:24
The example of this worldly life (which you love so much that you have even become neglectful of Our signs) is like the water which We send down from the sky; it mingles with the soil and produces vegetation which becomes the food for men and animals. Then, at the very time when the crops are ripened and the land looks attractive, the people to whom it belongs think that they are able to cultivate it, and there comes Our scourge upon it, by night or in broad day, and We mow it down thoroughly as if nothing existed there yesterday! Thus do We spell out Our signs for those who are thoughtful.
 
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Bookofknowledge said:
Mankind has, is and will be held responsible for their own actions?

10:24
The example of this worldly life (which you love so much that you have even become neglectful of Our signs) is like the water which We send down from the sky; it mingles with the soil and produces vegetation which becomes the food for men and animals. Then, at the very time when the crops are ripened and the land looks attractive, the people to whom it belongs think that they are able to cultivate it, and there comes Our scourge upon it, by night or in broad day, and We mow it down thoroughly as if nothing existed there yesterday! Thus do We spell out Our signs for those who are thoughtful.
Do you have any clue as to how useless quoting the Qur'an really is?All you're doing is evading post #53.Explain to me ,if you can,how Allah can be totally trustworthy while lying to everybody about the crucifixtion.
 
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Green Man said:
Do you have any clue as to how useless quoting the Qur'an really is?All you're doing is evading post #53.Explain to me ,if you can,how Allah can be totally trustworthy while lying to everybody about the crucifixtion.

The truth is that the verse of Qur'an is making you think which is conflicting with the image of Islam you have pictured in your mind and heart by watching what's going on in todays world. Those who don't read Qur'aan and judge actions of a group or all muslim world are nothing but ignorants.

I can show you Allah is totally trustworthy only if you stop convencing yourself that He the compassionate can lie...

Al-Quran is the word of Allah, not the Prophet and Prophet is but a plain Warner

46:7
When Our revelations are recited to them, clear as they are, and the truth comes before them, the disbelievers say: "This is plain magic."

46:8
Do they say that the Prophet has fabricated it himself? O Prophet, tell them: "If I have fabricated it myself, then there is nothing that you can do to protect me from the wrath of Allah. He knows fully well what you say about it. Enough is He as a witness between me and you. He is the Oft-Forgiving, the Most Merciful."

46:9
O Prophet tell them: "I am no prodigy among the Rasools; nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow only what is revealed to me, and I am no more than a plain Warner."

46:10
Further say: "Think, if this Qur'an is indeed from Allah and you reject it, when a witness (a Jew) from the children of Israel has also testified to its similarity with earlier scriptures and has believed (accepted Islam), while you are showing arrogance, how unjust you are! Surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."



Al-Quran conforms the revelation of Torah given to Prophet Musa

46:11
The unbelievers say about the believers: "Had there been any good to believe in, this Qur'an, they would not have believed in it before us." And since they reject its guidance, they say: "This is an ancient falsehood."

46:12
Yet before it the Book of Musa was revealed which was a guide and blessing; and this Book (Qur'an) confirms it. It is revealed in the Arabic language to forewarn the wrongdoers and to give good news to those who have adopted the righteous conduct.

46:13
Indeed those who say: "Our Rabb is Allah, and then remain firm shall have nothing to fear or to regret.

46:14
They shall dwell in paradise forever as a reward for their good deeds.
 
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Christians and Jews both believe Jesus was crucified.Muslims do not.I was told just yesterday on another thread that Allah caused them to think he had been crucified when in fact he had not.Now forget the feeble attempt at a sermon and answer the question.Did Allah lie to the Jews?
 
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Green Man said:
Christians and Jews both believe Jesus was crucified.Muslims do not.I was told just yesterday on another thread that Allah caused them to think he had been crucified when in fact he had not.Now forget the feeble attempt at a sermon and answer the question.Did Allah lie to the Jews?

Look you want answers you have to show some patience and ask in a nice manners, you can not boss around and expect people to answer your questions as if they are your slaves by saying "forget the feeble attempt at a sermon"...

Before I answer you, why don't you tell me... what is it that Allah said to jews?
 
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