Sins of the prophet Muhammad

[Bookofknowledge]

In some ways,muslims and christians are very much alike.Both sides are continually attempting to convert all of us "unbelievers".You're right in that it is my choice to read or not.I prefer not.
A person doesn't need to study any religion to understand the adherrents of that religion.And don't give me that talk about suffering.Every group of people on this planet has endured suffering.
I have learned however,that Islam is a peaceful religion,if you're a devout muslim.If you're not,then it's convert or die.

Muslims can not and will not have power to convert any one in this world because they believe only The Creator has the power to change hearts. All I can do is open up Qur'aan, Teachings of Prophet and literature of Scholars in front of you. Its you're responsibility to analyze the information available.

I believe any person in this world who gives threat of killing himself and suicide just to make others acknowledge his/her pain has reached the last stage and this shows the injustice of the world who failed to acknowledge the problem in the first place.

Just yesterday I was watching Indian news, in India there is a hindu guy who was tortured by police 10 years ago for nothing, for 10 years who fought to get justice through legal system now he has given up hope and wrote a letter to UN stating he will kill himself if he doesn't get justice before Aug 15.

Why this suffering - and yet you are telling me not to give that talk about suffering... WHY NOT?

Every group of people on this planet has endured suffering means other has to continue suffering too? What is this injustice?

 

[Green Man]

Muslims can not and will not have power to convert any one in this world because they believe only The Creator has the power to change hearts. All I can do is open up Qur'aan, Teachings of Prophet and literature of Scholars in front of you. Its you're responsibility to analyze the information available.

I believe any person in this world who gives threat of killing himself and suicide just to make others acknowledge his/her pain has reached the last stage and this shows the injustice of the world who failed to acknowledge the problem in the first place.

Just yesterday I was watching Indian news, in India there is a hindu guy who was tortured by police 10 years ago for nothing, for 10 years who fought to get justice through legal system now he has given up hope and wrote a letter to UN stating he will kill himself if he doesn't get justice before Aug 15.

Why this suffering - and yet you are telling me not to give that talk about suffering... WHY NOT?

Every group of people on this planet has endured suffering means other has to continue suffering too? What is this injustice?

A suicide attempt is a cry for help.It's a sign of mental illness.I know,I've been through it and I know what I'm talking about.It wasn't any kind of God that brought me out of it either.
Why do you insist on twisting my words around?My exact words were"And don't give me that talk about suffering"I never said we shouldn't be concerned about the welfare of other people.We should help out where ever we can.That Hindu you mentioned sounds like he could use a little counseling.
What is this injustice?It's called life,get used to it.You can't save the whole world.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

A suicide attempt is a cry for help.It's a sign of mental illness.I know,I've been through it and I know what I'm talking about.It wasn't any kind of God that brought me out of it either.
Why do you insist on twisting my words around?My exact words were"And don't give me that **** about suffering"I never said we shouldn't be concerned about the welfare of other people.We should help out where ever we can.That Hindu you mentioned sounds like he could use a little counseling.
What is this injustice?It's called life,get used to it.You can't save the whole world.

I am not twisting your words around, I reply based on how I read and understand what you have written, sorry if I make mistake in understanding your post, please correct me when my reply is out of the loop.

Here is a example for two people to resolve the dispute of each others claim....

Layan (accusing wife when there is no other witness in a case of adultery)



24:6
Those men who accuse their own wives but have no witness except themselves, each one of them shall be made to swear four times by Allah that his charge is true,

24:7
and the fifth time calling down upon himself the curse of Allah if he is lying.

24:8
As for the wife, the punishment shall be averted from her if she swears four times by Allah that his (her husband's) charge is false

24:9
and the fifth time calls down the wrath of Allah on herself if his charge is true.

24:10
If it were not for Allah's grace and mercy upon you, you would have no method of handling these situations. Allah is the Acceptor of Repentance, All-Wise.

 

[Green Man]

I am not twisting your words around, I reply based on how I read and understand what you have written, sorry if I make mistake in understanding your post, please correct me when my reply is out of the loop.

Here is a example for two people to resolve the dispute of each others claim....

Layan (accusing wife when there is no other witness in a case of adultery)



24:6
Those men who accuse their own wives but have no witness except themselves, each one of them shall be made to swear four times by Allah that his charge is true,

24:7
and the fifth time calling down upon himself the curse of Allah if he is lying.

24:8
As for the wife, the punishment shall be averted from her if she swears four times by Allah that his (her husband's) charge is false

24:9
and the fifth time calls down the wrath of Allah on herself if his charge is true.

24:10
If it were not for Allah's grace and mercy upon you, you would have no method of handling these situations. Allah is the Acceptor of Repentance, All-Wise.

There's a nifty way to handle accusations.And to think we've been wasting our time with the legal system all these years.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

There's a nifty way to handle accusations.And to think we've been wasting our time with the legal system all these years.

If the innocents are being killed for no reason and the criminals are walking freely then its a shame and a joke for the legal system.

 

[Green Man]

If the innocents are being killed for no reason and the criminals are walking freely then its a shame and a joke for the legal system.

With Islam,all you have to do is repeat the charge a few times?What kind of joke is that?

 

[Bookofknowledge]

With Islam,all you have to do is repeat the charge a few times?What kind of joke is that?

repeating and reminding is there for people to realize and mend their ways just like Prophets where sent by The Creator, one after another for people to understand what is righteousness and what are the ways which leads to evil. (current example, open sex which has lead mankind towards aids within 2-3 decades)

 

[Green Man]

repeating and reminding is there for people to realize and mend their ways just like Prophets where sent by The Creator, one after another for people to understand what is righteousness and what are the ways which leads to evil. (current example, open sex which has lead mankind towards aids within 2-3 decades)

That is a joke.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

That is a joke.

Is it really?

explain it to me so I join and enjoy the laugh with you.

 

[Green Man]

repeating and reminding is there for people to realize and mend their ways just like Prophets where sent by The Creator, one after another for people to understand what is righteousness and what are the ways which leads to evil. (current example, open sex which has lead mankind towards aids within 2-3 decades)

Anybody that thinks everybody will automatically tell the truth like that is extremely naive.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Anybody that thinks everybody will automatically tell the truth like that is extremely naive.

It may sound naive but analyzing the truth itself is a skill which can't be understood by those who don't want to understand or give it a try or those who give-up easily.

As a proof prophets were given signs which proved they were telling the truth and that truth is still acknowledge by people around the globe.

 

[Green Man]

It may sound naive but analyzing the truth itself is a skill which can't be understood by those who don't want to understand or give it a try or those who give-up easily.

As a proof prophets were given signs which proved they were telling the truth and that truth is still acknowledge by people around the globe.

Now what does any of that have to do with muslims making acussations a few times?

 

[AryadevA]

Yes, mohammad was a sinner.

he looted trade caravans and killed jews.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Now what does any of that have to do with muslims making acussations a few times?

- what does it mean?

 

[Green Man]

- what does it mean?

It means no one can tell for sure whether or not someone is always telling the truth.An experienced liar can fool anybody.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

It means no one can tell for sure whether or not someone is always telling the truth.

27:92
and that I should recite The Qur'an. Now, whoever follows this guidance will be guided for his own good, and to him who goes astray, say: "I am merely a Warner."

27:93
Then proclaim: "Praise be to Allah, very soon He will show you His signs and you will recognize them. Your Rabb is not unaware of what you do."

 

[Green Man]

27:92
and that I should recite The Qur'an. Now, whoever follows this guidance will be guided for his own good, and to him who goes astray, say: "I am merely a Warner."

27:93
Then proclaim: "Praise be to Allah, very soon He will show you His signs and you will recognize them. Your Rabb is not unaware of what you do."

Just say what you mean,instead of constantly quoting verses.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Just say what you mean,instead of constantly quoting verses.

It means signs of The Creator – who created the heavens and earth and every thing that reside in it has appeared in history and will continue to appear until mankind see the angels with their own eyes.


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Story of Prophet Musa's selection as a Rasool and Nine signs were shown to Fir'on but he still disbelieved and incurred Allah's punishment

27:7
Relate to them the story of Musa (Moses), when he said to his family: "I have seen a fire; soon I may either bring you some information from there or a lighted torch to warm yourselves with."

27:8
When he came to it, a voice called out to him: "Blessed be He Who is in this fire and all around it! Glory be to Allah the Rabb of the Worlds!

27:9
O Musa, this is Me, Allah, the All-Mighty, the Wise.

27:10
Throw down your staff." When he saw it moving like a snake, he turned back and fled and without even looking behind. "O Musa, do not be afraid," said Allah, "My Rasool need not be afraid in My presence,

27:11
unless, of course, he is guilty of wrongdoing; even then, if he replaces that wrongdoing with a good deed, I am indeed Forgiving, Merciful.

27:12
Now put your hand into your pocket, it will come out shining white without any harm. These two signs are from the nine signs that you will be given during your mission to Fir'on (Pharaoh) and his people; for truly, they are a people of transgressors."

27:13
But, when our signs were shown to them, they said: "This is clear sorcery."

27:14
They were convinced in their hearts about the truth of those miracles, yet they denied those signs in their wickedness and pride. So you see, what was the end of those transgressors.

 

[Green Man]

It means signs of The Creator ? who created the heavens and earth and every thing that reside in it has appeared in history and will continue to appear until mankind see the angels with their own eyes.


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Story of Prophet Musa's selection as a Rasool and Nine signs were shown to Fir'on but he still disbelieved and incurred Allah's punishment

27:7
Relate to them the story of Musa (Moses), when he said to his family: "I have seen a fire; soon I may either bring you some information from there or a lighted torch to warm yourselves with."

27:8
When he came to it, a voice called out to him: "Blessed be He Who is in this fire and all around it! Glory be to Allah the Rabb of the Worlds!

27:9
O Musa, this is Me, Allah, the All-Mighty, the Wise.

27:10
Throw down your staff." When he saw it moving like a snake, he turned back and fled and without even looking behind. "O Musa, do not be afraid," said Allah, "My Rasool need not be afraid in My presence,

27:11
unless, of course, he is guilty of wrongdoing; even then, if he replaces that wrongdoing with a good deed, I am indeed Forgiving, Merciful.

27:12
Now put your hand into your pocket, it will come out shining white without any harm. These two signs are from the nine signs that you will be given during your mission to Fir'on (Pharaoh) and his people; for truly, they are a people of transgressors."

27:13
But, when our signs were shown to them, they said: "This is clear sorcery."

27:14
They were convinced in their hearts about the truth of those miracles, yet they denied those signs in their wickedness and pride. So you see, what was the end of those transgressors.

There is no creator.There are no such beings as angels.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

There is no creator.There are no such beings as angels.

You don't but I do believe.