Sin...?

Maria Billingsley · Sep 13, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
Sin...

Might be taking a very grave risk or chance with your eternal life or soul, or be gambling with it, or playing Russian roulette with it, rolling the dice, or be playing with fire, etc, "maybe", etc, but all of us are also always doing this also, because none of us are sinlessly perfect, etc, and each time we sin we do this... I don't know how God is going to judge you, or me, or whomever, but messing around with any kind of sin could be taking a grave risk, possibly, etc...? I say "maybe" and "possibly", etc, because I don't know how God will judge you, or me or we or you or us, etc, but I just know that He will judge you/me/we/you/us... Sin also comes with consequences in this life, and whether or not those will carry over into or onto the next life, I do not know, because I don't know how God is going to judge you, most especially eternally, etc, but they (sin and sinning in this life) make for a miserable life in this life in the meantime, most of the time, etc...

But none of us knows how God is going to judge, only that He is going to, etc, He could hold one thing against one person, and not with another person, and vice-versa, and with more or less or different things, etc, and we don't know which one is which, not most especially eternally anyway, so I say it could be a gamble, or a risk, etc, sin might possibly be maybe, etc...

God Bless!

Reading your post saddens me. So much uncertainty. If you have unrepentant sin in your life and willingly continue in that sin, it is because the power of Jesus Christ of Nazareth through His Holy Spirit has been "quenched" by doubt.
The Gospel is "Good News". It is not the news that condemns , it is the News that regenerates, conforms and brings in light and living waters. The Father did not enter His Son into some game, He gave His only Son to save the world from sin. He sent His Holy Spirit to dwell in us so that we remain in Him. I hope you come to this understanding instead of spreading fear and doubt.
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:1
Be blessed.

SabbathBlessings · Sep 13, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
If the law teaches you only about judgement, then it can never ever lead to true obedience at all ever, etc...

Our perspective is supposed to be different from God's, etc...

God Bless!

The laws point out sin Romans 3:20, Romans 7:7

The Holy Spirit convicts us when we break God's laws (sin) John 16:7-9 and helps us obey and is given to those who obey God's laws John 14:15-18, Act 5:32. We do not obey God's law because He commadmened us to, we obey because God's laws are written in the heart and mind in the New Covenant Jerm 31:33 and we fulfills God's laws that is expressed through our love and actions which is shown when we obey. John 14:15, John 15:10, 1 John 5:3, Exodus 20:6

bling · Sep 13, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
Sin...

Might be taking a very grave risk or chance with your eternal life or soul, or be gambling with it, or playing Russian roulette with it, rolling the dice, or be playing with fire, etc, "maybe", etc, but all of us are also always doing this also, because none of us are sinlessly perfect, etc, and each time we sin we do this... I don't know how God is going to judge you, or me, or whomever, but messing around with any kind of sin could be taking a grave risk, possibly, etc...? I say "maybe" and "possibly", etc, because I don't know how God will judge you, or me or we or you or us, etc, but I just know that He will judge you/me/we/you/us... Sin also comes with consequences in this life, and whether or not those will carry over into or onto the next life, I do not know, because I don't know how God is going to judge you, most especially eternally, etc, but they (sin and sinning in this life) make for a miserable life in this life in the meantime, most of the time, etc...

But none of us knows how God is going to judge, only that He is going to, etc, He could hold one thing against one person, and not with another person, and vice-versa, and with more or less or different things, etc, and we don't know which one is which, not most especially eternally anyway, so I say it could be a gamble, or a risk, etc, sin might possibly be maybe, etc...

God Bless!

I think you are being way to focused on the negative. God judging your sins, since we have all sinned.

Sins do tell us we lack Love for Christ/God, “If you Love me, you will obey me…”, but the emphasize needs to be on the Love.

Do you Love Jesus?

Do you Love God?

Do you Love others?

You need to ask for forgiveness, believing you will get forgiveness, so do you believe God can forgive you?

Jesus teaches us, “…he that is forgiven much Loves much…”, so do you believe God can forgive you?

Judgement is an “Award Assembly” for Christians and not a trial jury decision.

Neogaia777 · Sep 13, 2021

Maria Billingsley said:
Reading your post saddens me. So much uncertainty. If you have unrepentant sin in your life and willingly continue in that sin, it is because the power of Jesus Christ of Nazareth through His Holy Spirit has been "quenched" by doubt.
The Gospel is "Good News". It is not the news that condemns , it is the News that regenerates, conforms and brings in light and living waters. The Father did not enter His Son into some game, He gave His only Son to save the world from sin. He sent His Holy Spirit to dwell in us so that we remain in Him. I hope you come to this understanding instead of spreading fear and doubt.
Be blessed.

One first has to know it is or has been quenched by doubt though first, and when many bring sin into the picture, with man anyway, he uses it to set a standard (the Bible teaches) that is not fully attainable for anyone except for Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone only, etc,...

And that he didn't fully live up to either, etc, and how many times did Jesus come to point this out in people who were otherwise blind to it, etc...?

But I do like that, "quenched by doubt" though... I guess I still do doubt sometimes, etc, trying to find that balance because I don't think I can perfect, etc...

God Bless!

Maria Billingsley · Sep 13, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
One first has to know it is or has been quenched by doubt though first, and when many bring sin into the picture, with man anyway, he uses it to set a standard (the Bible teaches) that is not fully attainable for anyone except for Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone only, etc,...

And that he didn't fully live up to either, etc, and how many times did Jesus come to point this out in people who were otherwise blind to it, etc...?

But I do like that, "quenched by doubt" though... I guess I still do doubt sometimes, etc, trying to find that balance because I don't think I can perfect, etc...

God Bless!

I'll pray you be filled with His Holy Spirit so that your doubt be lifted,

Neogaia777 · Sep 13, 2021

Maria Billingsley said:
I'll pray you be filled with His Holy Spirit so that your doubt be lifted,

Thank you very much!

God Bless!

TheWhat? · Sep 13, 2021

I find that interpretations of the subject vary greatly depending on who you're keeping company with.

There are those for whom there is no sin. They're a difficult lot to make sense of. Some are probably innocent.

There are those who are under law, and convicted, fearful of losing salvation -- some even for the slightest of offenses. These may be more devout than many, even in their fear of retribution. Sins in their view may be more numerous and grave than is realistic.

There are those trying to learn the correct balance between law and liberty, grace, slavery, and how to remain in Christ. These may be more devout than many, even in their uncertainty. Sin for them is often not rigidly defined, since they are learning.

There are those who are close to the Spirit of God, flying on wings of eagles as it were, forgetful of the law until some crisis of conscience brings them crashing down. These also might be more devout than many, and they may be lifted up again. Who knows what they think of sin? They're about to find out.

There are some who are wayward. In these cases, I find it difficult to judge, because you never really know what a person is going through. These too may even have some measure of devotion to God, even if disfigured through wounds that they have no ability to heal themselves of. Sin may be a matter of offense to them, or they may consider others to be guilty of harming them.

Sadly, there may be those who are complete frauds. But these are mostly the stuff of legend, in my experience. They're the kind you more frequently hear about than meet, because in truth when you think you've found one, dig deep enough and you'll usually find some shred of humanity.

Lastly, there are those who for some reason, are unconvinced of the weight of the law. They proceed without fear to use morality of even their own invention to establish dominance, as though it were their god-given right to keep everyone and God in line. They are murderers, prideful, unregenerate and self-deceived, using a form of righteousness as a cloak for maliciousness, and are perhaps blinded to the fact that their ways are contrary to the law, which demands love and faithfulness, though they would not use the law, much, in their assault of so-called sin, because it is not holy enough for their invented standards. These are the sort I would only trust to betray when behind closed doors. To them, sin is whatever they want it to be.

SabbathBlessings · Sep 13, 2021

TheWhat? said:
I find that interpretations of the subject vary greatly depending on who you're keeping company with.

There are those for whom there is no sin. They're a difficult lot to make sense of. Some are probably innocent.

There are those who are under law, and convicted, fearful of losing salvation -- some even for the slightest of offenses. These may be more devout than many, even in their fear of retribution. Sins in their view may be more numerous and grave than is realistic.

There are those trying to learn the correct balance between law and liberty, grace, slavery, and how to remain in Christ. These may be more devout than many, even in their uncertainty. Sin for them is often not rigidly defined, since they are learning.

There are those who are close to the Spirit of God, flying on wings of eagles as it were, forgetful of the law until some crisis of conscience brings them crashing down. These also might be more devout than many, and they may be lifted up again. Who knows what they think of sin? They're about to find out.

There are some who are wayward. In these cases, I find it difficult to judge, because you never really know what a person is going through. These too may even have some measure of devotion to God, even if disfigured through wounds that they have no ability to heal themselves of. Sin may be a matter of offense to them, or they may consider others to be guilty of harming them.

Sadly, there may be those who are complete frauds. But these are mostly the stuff of legend, in my experience. They're the kind you more frequently hear about than meet, because in truth when you think you've found one, dig deep enough and you'll usually find some shred of humanity.

Lastly, there are those who for some reason, are unconvinced of the weight of the law. They proceed without fear to use morality of even their own invention to establish dominance, as though it were their god-given right to keep everyone and God in line. They are murderers, prideful, unregenerate and self-deceived, using a form of righteousness as a cloak for maliciousness, and are perhaps blinded to the fact that their ways are contrary to the law, which demands love and faithfulness, though they would not use the law, much, in their assault of so-called sin, because it is not holy enough for their invented standards. These are the sort I would only trust to betray when behind closed doors. To them, sin is whatever they want it to be.

This is why we need to follow scriptures. Scripture teaches us there is only one Truth and one Gospel. When you are walking with Christ you are going to want to obey, God's laws written in the heart. God's laws are not burdensome, that is what the devil wants you to believe. God gives us everything including the Holy Spirit to obey. We should be preparing ourselves for Heaven and to be more like Christ and walk in His ways.

Psalms 37:34
Wait on the Lord,
And keep His way,
And He shall exalt you to inherit the land;
When the wicked are cut off, you shall see it.

Strong in Him · Sep 13, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
Does it matter if other people think you are either with or not with Jesus, or not, etc...?

Does it matter what other people think?

Neogaia777 · Sep 13, 2021

Strong in Him said:
Does it matter what other people think?

If it does, I don't care to know, etc...

God Bless!

Strong in Him · Sep 13, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
Jesus did not take the judgement away at the cross, we will still be judged according to scripture by our actions 2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

We have to give an account of our actions; yes.
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 says that our work will be tested by fire. If it is built on the wrong foundation, it will be burned up, but the person themselves will be saved - even as one escaping a fire.
This suggests to me that work that is not done for God or in his name but just because we thought it was a good idea, will be destroyed - and we'll have nothing to show God for how we spent our time.

But the person is still saved; we are not judged for our sins.

Neogaia777 · Sep 13, 2021

SabbathBlessings said:
This is why we need to follow scriptures. Scripture teaches us there is only one Truth and one Gospel. When you are walking with Christ you are going to want to obey, God's laws written in the heart. God's laws are not burdensome, that is what the devil wants you to believe. God gives us everything including the Holy Spirit to obey. We should be preparing ourselves for Heaven and to be more like Christ and walk in His ways.

Psalms 37:34
Wait on the Lord,
And keep His way,
And He shall exalt you to inherit the land;
When the wicked are cut off, you shall see it.

A day or two ago, I listened to maybe four or five books from Paul for over two hours maybe, etc, just sat back and listened to it, etc, as I have often done mostly throughout and all throughout most of my adulthood life, etc...

I pray to Him (God/Jesus, etc), and feel like He talks back to me sometimes, etc...?

God Bless!

Strong in Him · Sep 13, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
Or do you want me to make you a list of what I gave up for God, and maybe compare maybe, etc...?

However it does not depend solely on that, etc...

It doesn't depend on that at all.
In fact if someone - not meaning you - were to say "this is what I gave up for God, this is what I have done to deserve his blessings/heaven"; that would be works.

Unless we recognise that we can't get to heaven by our own deeds, or we can say "nothing in my hand I bring, simply to thy cross I cling"; it's unlikely we'll be trusting fully in Jesus for salvation.

Neogaia777 · Sep 13, 2021

Strong in Him said:
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 says that our work will be tested by fire. If it is built on the wrong foundation, it will be burned up, but the person themselves will be saved - even as one escaping a fire.
This suggests to me that work that is not done for God or in his name but just because we thought it was a good idea, will be destroyed - and we'll have nothing to show God for how we spent our time.

Be Like Thomas Edison, and do it over a thousand times (failures) or ways until you finally find a way that works, or is right, or you get it right, etc...

All true ideas should have to go through this wash, etc...

And sow plenty, and everywhere, if you can, etc...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Sep 13, 2021

Strong in Him said:
It doesn't depend on that at all.
In fact if someone - not meaning you - were to say "this is what I gave up for God, this is what I have done to deserve his blessings/heaven"; that would be works.

The way I said that was from their perspective or point of view, and is part of why I worded it the way I did, etc...

But thanks for saying that though, etc... "Not you", etc...

Strong in Him said:
Unless we recognize that we can't get to heaven by our own deeds, or we can say "nothing in my hand I bring, simply to thy cross I cling"; it's unlikely we'll be trusting fully in Jesus for salvation.

Guess we will all find out, right...?

But it's a very good point, and a point well taken, and/or received, etc...

Thank you...

God Bless!

Strong in Him · Sep 13, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
Be Like Thomas Edison, and do it over a thousand times (failures) or ways until you finally find a way that works, or is right, or you get it right,

Do what a thousand times?

Paul says that the only foundation is Jesus; the only foundation that we can build on, is Jesus.
If someone says, "I believe that Jesus died for me and has reconciled me to God. I am saved by him, not by my own works - now, Lord, show me how I can serve you and what you want me to do"; THAT is the correct foundation.
But if they say; "I think I should do this for God. I think this will get me into heaven, I can do it in my own strength, this is my own idea" etc etc; that is the wrong foundation. And Paul says that things built on the wrong foundation will one day be destroyed - though the person themselves will still be saved.
It doesn't matter if you do things a million times, or do a million things - if they are on the wrong foundation, they, ultimately, will not survive.

Strong in Him · Sep 13, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
Guess we will all find out, right...?

The point is that we can know NOW.
We don't have to go through our Christian lives in fear that one day we will learn that we have got in wrong. Read 1 John - he was writing his letter so that they would KNOW the truth, and he said that perfect love casts out all fear.
Jesus said, You will KNOW the truth, and the truth will set you free", John 8:32 - not, "you will have to guess at the truth and hope that, one day, you find out that you were right."

It would be awful to believe and trust in Jesus and yet be scared that one day God would still punish you/turn you away. God is not like that; he wants us to know.

Neogaia777 · Sep 13, 2021

Strong in Him said:
Do what a thousand times?

Finding the straight edge on the double edged sword maybe...?

Strong in Him said:
Paul says that the only foundation is Jesus; the only foundation that we can build on, is Jesus.
If someone says, "I believe that Jesus died for me and has reconciled me to God. I am saved by him, not by my own works - now, Lord, show me how I can serve you and what you want me to do"; THAT is the correct foundation.

We only did afterward, only what He wanted us to say and/or do, etc, and it was only what we ought to have a long time ago, (scripture reference, etc), and then, even that, could have maybe even come from, or only ever been, maybe only because of the bad, etc, that I, or me or we or you or me, ever really did any kind of good, etc...

Strong in Him said:
But if they say; "I think I should do this for God. I think this will get me into heaven, I can do it in my own strength, this is my own idea" etc etc; that is the wrong foundation. And Paul says that things built on the wrong foundation will one day be destroyed - though the person themselves will still be saved.
It doesn't matter if you do things a million times, or do a million things - if they are on the wrong foundation, they, ultimately, will not survive.

Is it possible to have right foundation and still be in sin...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Sep 13, 2021

Strong in Him said:
The point is that we can know NOW.
We don't have to go through our Christian lives in fear that one day we will learn that we have got in wrong. Read 1 John - he was writing his letter so that they would KNOW the truth, and he said that perfect love casts out all fear.
Jesus said, You will KNOW the truth, and the truth will set you free", John 8:32 - not, "you will have to guess at the truth and hope that, one day, you find out that you were right."

It would be awful to believe and trust in Jesus and yet be sacred that one day God would still punish you/turn you away. God is not like that; he wants us to know.

Many think that, because of sins, especially those done right now or more recently or lately more currently, that they are disqualified or are not one of His right now currently, etc...?

What would you say...?

God Bless!

Clare73 · Sep 13, 2021

Neogaia777 said:
I was trying to express the thoughts of the "middle ground" maybe, between those who say that "all sin 100% always absolutely 100% condemns you always", etc, and those who say, "it is only that you believe, or what you believe, and how you believe it, and sin matters never ever 100% really matters, or ever really ever condemns you ever at all, especially never eternally, as long as you just only believe it", etc, etc, etc...

Anyway, those two camps or crowds, etc, and as I have found recently, that the truth/Truth, as I have learned more about it, real Truth, always seems to somewhere in-between, that is the real Truth, Mercy, Justice, etc...

Among many other things, etc...

But trying to figure out how people will all each each one will be all equally be judged equally, or truly fairly, etc, especially eternally, etc, or in the very final Judgement, I give up on it, etc, and I leave that to God, etc...

And sometimes I wonder if that is wisdom on my part, etc...

God Bless!

It's pretty simple.

All judgment has been given to Christ.

The born again will be judged by their Savior.

The unbelievers will be judged by their Judge for unbelief.

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