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Sin is Lawlessness

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"SIN" is MORE than simply "LAWLESSNESS!

And here's my 4 cents worth on DEFINITIONS:

1. SIN = "falling short" = ANYTHING contrary to the perfect CHARACTER and ATTRIBUTES of the TRI-UNE GOD...ALL fall short! This is the spiritual gap between God's perfect good and Man's imperfections

2. SIN(S) = personal "missing the marks" = willfull or ignorant, commission or omission, "trespasses" that cause loss of fellowship with / create a barrier between God and Man...these can be FORGIVEN!...
A. For unbelievers, SALVATION is needwd...another important subject.
B. For believers, CONFESSION (spiritually agreeing with God)...1 John 1

3. SIN NATURE = the natural-born capacity and inclination to do / not do those things that can in no way commend Man and his own "works" to God....
This nature is SPIRITUALLY changed by salvation / redemption, BUT it still rears its ugly head in BODY / SOUL after salvation.

4. IMPUTED SIN / Righteousness:?...Romans 5:12. 15-17 (NIV)...Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ

How believers deal with SIN(S) in their lives...>>> the "carnal Christ-follower " must CONFESS (agree with God)...1 John 1: 5-10...Walking in the light

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also died FOR sins ONCE FOR ALL,
the just (Jesus the God-Man) FOR the unjust, (all natural men)
so that He might bring us to God, (salvation and reconciliation)
having been put to death in the flesh, (crucifixion)
but made alive in the spirit; (resurrection, appearances, ascension)

"Sin" in the OT:

Examples: disobedience to a known command of God..."Do not eat..." ...Moses' Big 10...taboo's!

their sin ....Hebrew 2403...chatta'ath ...sinful condition, guilt

Genesis 18:20
And the LORD said,
“The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave.

Exodus 10:17
“Now therefore, please forgive my sin only this once,
and make supplication to the LORD your God,
that He would only remove this death from me.”

Ezekiel 18:24
“But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.

Ezekiel 45:17...he shall provide
the sin offering,
the grain offering,
the burnt offering and
the peace offerings,
to make atonement for the house of Israel.”

"Sin" in the NT:

sin ...Greek 266....hamartia....
B.to miss the mark
C.to err, be mistaken
D.to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong
E.to wander from the law of God, violate God's law, sin

The NEW Covenant!

Matthew 26:28
for this is My blood of the (NEW) covenant, which is poured out FOR many FOR "forgiveness of sins".

Mark 14:24
And He said to them, “This is My blood of the (NEW) covenant, which is poured out FOR many.

Luke 22:20
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out FOR you is the "NEW covenant IN My blood.

John 1:29
The next day he (JohntB)saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Matthew 12:31
“Therefore I say to you,
any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people,
but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.

The word for "Lawlessness" literally means "instruction", though when the instructions come with penalties attached, then "law" is an appropriate translation. So sin is disobedience to any of God's instructions and God's Law is His instructions for how to rightly live in accordance with His attributes. Because God's attributes are eternal unchanging and the actions that are sin is based on not acting according to God's attributes, therefore the actions that are sin are also eternal and unchanging, which means that they are not dependent on any particular covenant.
 
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The word for "Lawlessness" literally means "instruction", though when the instructions come with penalties attached, then "law" is an appropriate translation. So sin is disobedience to any of God's instructions and God's Law is His instructions for how to rightly live in accordance with His attributes. Because God's attributes are eternal unchanging and the actions that are sin is based on not acting according to God's attributes, therefore the actions that are sin are also eternal and unchanging, which means that they are not dependent on any particular covenant.
Your word translated as lawlessness is "anomía" and simply means without law. The word "instruction" appears no where in the definition.

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God gave His only Son to die as a ransom for all mankind in order to make it possible for all of us to inherit eternal life.

However, not everyone will take advantage of this gift of God.

A person must first believe and be baptized in order to become saved and then a person must continue in his salvation by obedience to God's commandments until his death in order for him to be approved to inherit eternal life.

Revelation 2:10
Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life. rsv​
The only command of God the Father for the Christian is -

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. I Jn

Jesus said -

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. Jn 15:10

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. Jn 13

The above is not found in the law (10 Cs).

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There is no salvation for anyone without the cross!!! Adam's sin made it impossible for any person including himself to ever enter into eternal life with God.

Mankind inherited Adam's sin and so we are conceived with his sin on our souls. His sin makes us sinners/enemies of God. Belief and baptism makes us friends/reconciles us to God. Mark 16:16


Romans 5:10-12
For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. 11 Not only so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received our reconciliation.
Adam and Christ
12 Therefore as sin came into the world through one man (Adam) and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned—rsv

Many Christians are also enemies of Christ.

Philippians 3:18
For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, live as enemies of the cross of Christ. rsv

Matthew 7:19-23
Every tree (person) that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’ rsv

IF Jesus Christ had not died on the cross, no person either good or evil, could ever enter into eternal life to be with God.
I would say many religious people who call themselves christians are truly enemies of Jesus Christ and the church, His bride.

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Your understanding of the context of a Scripture is not the same as my understanding of the context!

A person does not believe in Jesus Christ if he does not obey Jesus Christ's commandments.

Luke 6:46
Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you? rsv

1 John 5:3

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. rsv

John 14:15
If you love me, you will keep my commandments. rsv

John 14:21

He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” rsv

John 15:10

If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. rsv

Jesus Christ grants eternal life to the people who love Him/keep His commandments. Jesus Christ does not grant eternal life to the people who say that they know Him and love Him if they do not obey His commandments.

1 John 2:4
He who says “
I know him” but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

James 1:12
Blessed is the man who endures trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life which God has promised to those who love him. rsv

What do you think the test is? The test is love/obedience to His commandments.

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine
yourselves, to see whether you are holding to your faith. Test yourselves. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test! rsv

What are these commandments you talk about?

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What is Jesus Christ's gospel?

It is: If you keep/obey my commandments until you die, I will grant you eternal life.


Matthew 28:19-20
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” niv

Evil, unrepentant Christians will be cast into hell for eternity if they die before they repent of their sins. It will not matter if at some time earlier in their lives they were obedient Christians. What matters is the state of their soul at the time of their death. If they are still faithful and obedient to Jesus Christ's commandments at the time of their death, they will be approved worthy to inherit eternal life. If they are unfaithful and disobedient at the time of their death, they will be cast into hell for eternity.

Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’ rsv

1 Peter 4:17
For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? rsv

.2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
....when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 inflicting vengeance upon those who do not know God and upon those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They shall suffer the punishment of eternal destruction and exclusion from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

You seem to be promoting salvation by works. Salvation is a free gift without obligation including love - Jn 3:16. If one is required to any performance salvation is a just reward for and with payment.

Now the Christian is a recreated being - Jn 3. As such they have a changed mind set or focus. I highly recommend studying Romans.

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I say you must come through Jesus...and now....automatically..im lied on .."that I dont obey his commands" I'll let God be true...

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No. One obeys Jesus commandments if they love Him. Such is not technically required for salvation. However the changed individual will bear fruit as a good tree. And that is how one is known as a Christian. Many think they are Christians just because they attend church. But because I am in a garage, I am not a vehicle.

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Look at Matthew Henry's commentary on the Law from Matthew 5:17-20.

Let none suppose that Christ allows his people to trifle with any commands of God's holy law. No sinner partakes of Christ's justifying righteousness, till he repents of his evil deeds. The mercy revealed in the gospel leads the believer to still deeper self-abhorrence. The law is the Christian's rule of duty, and he delights therein. If a man, pretending to be Christ's disciple, encourages himself in any allowed disobedience to the holy law of God, or teaches others to do the same, whatever his station or reputation among men may be, he can be no true disciple. Christ's righteousness, imputed to us by faith alone, is needed by every one that enters the kingdom of grace or of glory; but the new creation of the heart to holiness, produces a thorough change in a man's temper and conduct.
The law has nothing to do with the Christian. The Christian is led by the Holy Spirit, Who does not lead one to sin or the law. Gal 5:18

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Did Jesus come to bring the entire world under the law of Moses in other words making everyone to become and live like a Jew?

Do the scribes and Pharisees have any authority outside of Israel or the law?

God has no standard by which to judge anyone who is not under His Law and anyone who is not under His Law has no need of forgiveness for transgressing it and has no need of Jesus to give himself to redeem them from all Lawlessness, so Christ did not need to bring the entire world under God's Law because we are already under it. For instance, everyone who died in the Flood could not have been judged as wicked if they are not under God's Law. God's Law is His instructions for how to act according to His attributes, not how to become and live like a Jew. The way to become and live like a Jew was to live according to all of their oral laws, traditions, ruling, and fences, which is not something that God required. The Scribes sat in Moses' seat, so we should do what Moses said, but not do what the Pharisees were doing because they were teaching people to follow their own traditions rather than to follow what Mosaic said. Jesus was certainly not criticizing the Pharisees for teaching the people to do what God had commanded them.

If so what does delivered from the law mean?

In Romans 7:5, it specifies that we have been delivered from a law that held us captive. In Romans 7:21-25, was it God's Law that he served with his mind or was it the law of sin that he served with his flesh that held him captive?

Personally I read the new covenant will not be like the one given to Israel at Mt Sinai.

Indeed, the New Covenant is not like the Old Covenant, however, the change not in regard to God's eternal and unchanging attributes or in the way to act according them, but rather the change is in regard to having Christ as a mediator rather than Moses. One thing that everyone in Hebrews 11 had in common was that they were all men of prayer who listened to God's voice instruct them in what they should do and obeyed by faith. This was the type of relationship that God wanted corporately with Israel where they would hear His voice and obey (Exodus 19:5), but upon hearing God's voice, they got cold feet and wanted to have Moses as a mediator where they would listen his voice instead (Exodus 20:19, Deuteronomy 5:22-27). God's covenants are equated to marriage covenants, so this was like God's saving his damsel in distress from captivity in Egypt, declaring His love for her, and proposing to her, but on the wedding day, she decided she wanted her marriage to be one where she only interact with her husband through a mediator, which was less than ideal, but God nevertheless agreed to this different covenant. It became necessary for God to instruct Moses in how to serve Him and how to walk in His ways and for Moses to write down these details. Moses was a great man, he was not God, which quickly led to problems in his absence that would not have happened if the people had been listening to God's voice.

This was a mystery because the only way that the northern kingdom could be reconciled to God was if the original marriage contract was annulled, which could only happen if the husband died. This was what Paul was trying to explain in Romans 7:1-4. So while God lives and Israel marries another man, then she will be called an adulterous, but if her husband dies, then she is released from the law of her husband and free to marry another man. So we have have also become dead to the law of our husband through the death of Christ on the cross so that we can be free to become married to him who was raised from the dead that we should bear fruit for God. Now there is a new marriage so that he can enter into marriage with his wife:

Jeremiah 31:31-34 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

So this new marriage covenant is not like the first in that it is no longer a covenant where it is necessary for man teaches man how to serve God and how to walk in his ways, but one where these instructions would be put in our minds and written on our hearts directly by God. (Jeremiah 31:33).
 
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God has no standard by which to judge anyone who is not under His Law and anyone who is not under His Law has no need of forgiveness for transgressing it and has no need of Jesus to give himself to redeem them from all Lawlessness, so Christ did not need to bring the entire world under God's Law because we are already under it. For instance, everyone who died in the Flood could not have been judged as wicked if they are not under God's Law. God's Law is His instructions for how to act according to His attributes, not how to become and live like a Jew. The way to become and live like a Jew was to live according to all of their oral laws, traditions, ruling, and fences, which is not something that God required. The Scribes sat in Moses' seat, so we should do what Moses said, but not do what the Pharisees were doing because they were teaching people to follow their own traditions rather than to follow what Mosaic said. Jesus was certainly not criticizing the Pharisees for teaching the people to do what God had commanded them.
You're an interesting critter.

I'll agree God's character doesn't change.

I'm redeemed from sin as promised in Gen 3:15.

What law are you talking about the whole world is under? It can't be th4e law given to Israel. Moses no one prior to Israel had the law in Deut 5:3. That law is the ten commandments identified as the law covenant in Deut 4:13.

If a person were to keep the law they would be living like a Jew even without all those oral laws you talk about. Not every Jew was either a scribe or Pharisee.

Those who sit in Moses' seat have no authority outside of Israel or the religion and practices of the Jews. Since they are no more the issue is really mute unless you attend the synagogue.
In Romans 7:5, it specifies that we have been delivered from a law that held us captive. In Romans 7:21-25, was it God's Law that he served with his mind or was it the law of sin that he served with his flesh that held him captive?
What law was that?
The law Paul talks about is obviously the law issued to Israel by quoting one of the ten commandments. The law of sin and death (both are the same law) is an operation of that law upon violation. Sin was before the law and is a reason for it. See Gal 3:19.
Indeed, the New Covenant is not like the Old Covenant, however, the change not in regard to God's eternal and unchanging attributes or in the way to act according them, but rather the change is in regard to having Christ as a mediator rather than Moses. One thing that everyone in Hebrews 11 had in common was that they were all men of
prayer who listened to God's voice instruct them in what they should do and obeyed by faith. This was the type of relationship that God wanted corporately with Israel where they would hear His voice and obey (Exodus 19:5), but upon hearing God's voice, they got cold feet and wanted to have Moses as a mediator where they would listen his voice instead (Exodus 20:19, Deuteronomy 5:22-27). God's covenants are equated to marriage covenants, so this was like God's saving his damsel in distress from captivity in Egypt, declaring His love for her, and proposing to her, but on the wedding day, she decided she wanted her marriage to be one where she only interact with her husband through a mediator, which was less than ideal, but God nevertheless agreed to this different covenant. It became necessary for God to instruct Moses in how to serve Him and how to walk in His ways and for Moses to write down these details. Moses was a great man, he was not God, which quickly led to problems in his absence that would not have happened if the people had been listening to God's voice.
Here you admit the law is changed. That means the "all things" of Mat 5:17-18 have indeed been fulfilled.

One of the things those of Heb 11 didn't have in common was the law issued to Israel per Deut 5:3.

Israel indeed is called God's wife. The Christian or Church is called the Bride of Christ. That bride isn't Israel. So you have 2 distinct and different groups.
This was a mystery because the only way that the northern kingdom could be reconciled to God was if the original marriage contract was annulled, which could only happen if the husband died. This was what Paul was trying to explain in Romans 7:1-4. So while God lives and Israel marries another man, then she will be called an adulterous, but if her husband dies, then she is released from the law of her husband and free to marry another man. So we have have also become dead to the law of our husband through the death of Christ on the cross so that we can be free to become married to him who was raised from the dead that we should bear fruit for God. Now there is a new marriage so that he can enter into marriage with his wife:
Interesting that you say "annulled." Why do you want to reinstitute an annulled contract (for lack of better expression)? Don't you have Israel becoming the bride of Christ? Under the law who can marry a divorced person without committing adultery? Don't you have Jesus (God) at least intending to sin by taking another's wife? I'm fairly certain you don't promote God died.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
I've no idea why you quote Jeremiah, when you don't believe him. Jeremiah says in your quote, "not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt..." What covenant is this? The only covenant I know about with Israel is the one Moses says is the ten commandments per Deut 4:13. Do you know about another covenant with Israel? Jeremiah is talking about a new covenant in all the verses you quote. Jeremiah doesn't change subjects mid sentence.
So this new marriage covenant is not like the first in that it is no longer a covenant where it is necessary for man teaches man how to serve God and how to walk in his ways, but one where these instructions would be put in our minds and written on our hearts directly by God. (Jeremiah 31:33).
Where does anything you quote talk about moving the covenant from one place to another? How would that change the contents of the covenant? "Not according to... remember? You quoted it.
 
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The only command of God the Father for the Christian is -

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. I Jn

Jesus said -

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. Jn 15:10

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. Jn 13

The above is not found in the law (10 Cs).

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God created natural law. This law never changes and so we Christians must always obey this law. Before Moses' law existed, God's natural law existed. God permitted Moses' law concerning divorce even though it was in violation of His own natural law. Matthew 19:8 Jesus' new covenant/law changed Moses' law concerning divorce back to God's original natural law.

There are two laws (covenants) written about in the Bible. There was the law of Moses and there now is the law of Christ.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (law of Christ) has set me free from the law of sin and death (law of Moses). rsv

1 Corinthians 9:21
To those outside the law (of Moses) I became as one outside the law (of Moses)—not being without law (obedience) toward God but under the law of Christ—that I might win those outside the law (of Moses).

James 2:8
If you really fulfil the royal law (natural law of God/Jesus), according to the scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well.rsv rsv

Jesus and His apostles/disciples commanded that Christians love their neighbors as themselves, so if a Christian does not do this and does not repent before his death, where does he end up, heaven or hell? He ends up in hell.

1 Timothy 5:8
If any one (Christian) does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his own family, he has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. rsv

Matthew 6:14-15
For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. rsv
 
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God created natural law. This law never changes and so we Christians must always obey this law. Before Moses' law existed, God's natural law existed. God permitted Moses' law concerning divorce even though it was in violation of His own natural law. Matthew 19:8 Jesus' new covenant/law changed Moses' law concerning divorce back to God's original natural law.

There are two laws (covenants) written about in the Bible. There was the law of Moses and there now is the law of Christ.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (law of Christ) has set me free from the law of sin and death (law of Moses). rsv

1 Corinthians 9:21
To those outside the law (of Moses) I became as one outside the law (of Moses)—not being without law (obedience) toward God but under the law of Christ—that I might win those outside the law (of Moses).

James 2:8
If you really fulfil the royal law (natural law of God/Jesus), according to the scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well.rsv rsv

Jesus and His apostles/disciples commanded that Christians love their neighbors as themselves, so if a Christian does not do this and does not repent before his death, where does he end up, heaven or hell? He ends up in hell.

1 Timothy 5:8
If any one (Christian) does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his own family, he has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. rsv

Matthew 6:14-15
For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. rsv
Maybe you're supporting what bugkiller said.
 
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Guys and gals the Christian has already passed the judgment - Jn 5:24.

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Jesus is speaking about the judgment of condemnation to hell after a person dies. Jesus is saying that a person who believes God until his death will not be condemned to hell. Instead of hell, the believing person will inherit eternal life.

What does it mean to believe God?


John 5:24
24 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. rsv
Is a believer still a believer if he disobeys Jesus' commandments (the ones leading to death/mortal sins)? No, he is not still a believer if he commits mortal sins.

1 John 5:16-18
If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal. 18 We know that any one born of God does not sin (he chooses to stop sinning), but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. rsv​

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they (Christians) have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them · and overcome, the last state has become for them worse than the first. rsv
It is worse end for a person to become a Christian and then fall away through his disobedience to God's commandments then the end is for a person who has never believed.


Luke 20:46-47
“Beware of the scribes, who like to go about in long robes, and love salutations in the market places and the best seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at feasts, 47 who devour widows’ houses and for a pretense make long prayers. They will receive the greater condemnation.” rsv

2 Peter 2:21
For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. rsv

1 Peter 4:17
For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? rsv

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8
....when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 inflicting vengeance upon those who do not know God and upon those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. rsv​
 
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"SIN" is MORE than simply "LAWLESSNESS!

And here's my 4 cents worth on DEFINITIONS:

1. SIN = "falling short" = ANYTHING contrary to the perfect CHARACTER and ATTRIBUTES of the TRI-UNE GOD...ALL fall short! This is the spiritual gap between God's perfect good and Man's imperfections

2. SIN(S) = personal "missing the marks" = willfull or ignorant, commission or omission, "trespasses" that cause loss of fellowship with / create a barrier between God and Man...these can be FORGIVEN!...
A. For unbelievers, SALVATION is needwd...another important subject.
B. For believers, CONFESSION (spiritually agreeing with God)...1 John 1

3. SIN NATURE = the natural-born capacity and inclination to do / not do those things that can in no way commend Man and his own "works" to God....
This nature is SPIRITUALLY changed by salvation / redemption, BUT it still rears its ugly head in BODY / SOUL after salvation.

4. IMPUTED SIN / Righteousness:?...Romans 5:12. 15-17 (NIV)...Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ

How believers deal with SIN(S) in their lives...>>> the "carnal Christ-follower " must CONFESS (agree with God)...1 John 1: 5-10...Walking in the light

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also died FOR sins ONCE FOR ALL,
the just (Jesus the God-Man) FOR the unjust, (all natural men)
so that He might bring us to God, (salvation and reconciliation)
having been put to death in the flesh, (crucifixion)
but made alive in the spirit; (resurrection, appearances, ascension)

"Sin" in the OT:

Examples: disobedience to a known command of God..."Do not eat..." ...Moses' Big 10...taboo's!

their sin ....Hebrew 2403...chatta'ath ...sinful condition, guilt

Genesis 18:20
And the LORD said,
“The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave.

Exodus 10:17
“Now therefore, please forgive my sin only this once,
and make supplication to the LORD your God,
that He would only remove this death from me.”

Ezekiel 18:24
“But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.

Ezekiel 45:17...he shall provide
the sin offering,
the grain offering,
the burnt offering and
the peace offerings,
to make atonement for the house of Israel.”

"Sin" in the NT:

sin ...Greek 266....hamartia....
B.to miss the mark
C.to err, be mistaken
D.to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong
E.to wander from the law of God, violate God's law, sin

The NEW Covenant!

Matthew 26:28
for this is My blood of the (NEW) covenant, which is poured out FOR many FOR "forgiveness of sins".

Mark 14:24
And He said to them, “This is My blood of the (NEW) covenant, which is poured out FOR many.

Luke 22:20
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out FOR you is the "NEW covenant IN My blood.

John 1:29
The next day he (JohntB)saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Matthew 12:31
“Therefore I say to you,
any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people,
but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Respectfully Ron, all you have done is use the English word and see how and where it is used. That is a solid study method, but it leaves gaps. It is better to do your search based on the underlying Greek or Hebrew word because your definition of sin does not match the Hebrew word beneath it. There are three words that we generally translate as sin in most new versions, although once and a while a distinction is made between the words. In Hebrew those three words are chata'ah, avon and pesha. For this definition to give the best picture, I will use an archer and a target, the latter being the "righteousness of God." And by the way, in just about every dictionary, "righteousness" is defined as "divine law."

Chata'ah - this is basic sin. Here the archer ALWAYS intends on hitting the target (God's law, commandments, desire, will, etc.) and because he lives in a fallen state, he simply "misses the mark" from time to time. His INTENT was good, his state of being (as of yet unperfected) is not. So this is "unintentional sin or a sin based on ignorance."

Avon - Same archer and same intent... but in this case he gets temporarily caught up in an emotion and turns away and aims at another target... temporarily. When he comes to his senses he repents and returns to the proper target. When the distinction is made in our translations, this word is usually called transgression or iniquity.

Pesha - Same archer but entirely different intent. In this case, the archer KNOWS the proper target and deliberately aims at anything and everything else. This is rebellion, willful and deliberate sin.

So to say "sin is lawlessness" isn't all encompassing and you are correct in that point. But in all three cases above, the action that we would call "sin" came from missing the target which is God's righteousness or divine law. So, it is lawlessness... if not intentionally, at least unintentionally.
 
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You're an interesting critter.

Thanks, I think. :p

I'll agree God's character doesn't change.

If you agree that God's character doesn't change, then you should agree that the way to act according to God's character likewise doesn't change, therefore while the New Covenant is not like the Mosaic Covenant, the way that they are not alike in not in regard to God's character changing or the way to act according to His character changing. God has always been righteous, so the way to act according to His righteousness has existed unchangingly from the beginning and is dependent on God's righteousness, not on any particular covenant. So if we want to look up how to practice or train in righteousness, as we are told to do as part of the New Covenant (1 John 3:10, 2 Timothy 3:16-17), then we can read any instructions that God has given for how to do that, regardless of what covenant those instructions were given under, and this is also true of God's other attributes. So there is a distinction between a set of instructions for how to act according to God's attributes and a covenant agreement to abide by those instructions.

What law are you talking about the whole world is under? It can't be th4e law given to Israel. Moses no one prior to Israel had the law in Deut 5:3. That law is the ten commandments identified as the law covenant in Deut 4:13.

So while I agree with Deuteronomy 5:3 that the covenant was not made with their ancestors, that it not at all the same as saying that God's Laws had not been given to their ancestors. There are many examples of God's Laws being in place prior to Sinai, so the way to act according to God's righteousness did not change at Sinai, but rather the Law given revealed what has always been and will always be the way to act according to God's righteousness.

The Ten Commandments were the law of the covenant that God originally intended to make with Israel and what they originally agreed to, but the covenant that they ended up making consisted of many more laws than that. The original covenant came with the important condition that they would hear God's voice and obey by faith (Exodus 19:5), but upon hearing God's voice, they wanted God to speak to Moses and for him to act as a mediator instead, so God nevertheless agreed to a different covenant where it became necessary for Moses to listen to God's voice and instruct the people how to serve Him and walk in His ways (Exodus 20:19, Deuteronomy 5:22-32).

If a person were to keep the law they would be living like a Jew even without all those oral laws you talk about. Not every Jew was either a scribe or Pharisee.

In Acts 10:28, Peter mentioned a Jewish oral law that forbade Jews from visiting or associating with Gentiles and this is the law that Peter was following in Galatians 2:11-15 when he stopped visiting or associating with the Gentiles, so we have a clear example of "living like a Jew" referring to living according to these oral laws. Many even taught that you couldn't know how to correctly obey God's Law without know their oral laws, so they saw their traditions as having greater weight than God's Law, which was a major source of conflict between Jesus and the Pharisees (Matthew 15:1-9).

Those who sit in Moses' seat have no authority outside of Israel or the religion and practices of the Jews. Since they are no more the issue is really mute unless you attend the synagogue.What law was that?

Moses had the authority to make interpretations on how to obey the Law and by the 1st century, those who had this authority passed down to them were referred to as sitting in Moses' seat, and it had become a large body of Jewish oral laws, rulings, traditions, and fences that Jesus referred to as placing a heavy burden on the people. Again, he was not criticizing them for teaching the people to obey what God had commanded them.

The law Paul talks about is obviously the law issued to Israel by quoting one of the ten commandments. The law of sin and death (both are the same law) is an operation of that law upon violation. Sin was before the law and is a reason for it.

Romans 7:21-25 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

In these verses Paul is very clearly contrasting the Law of God that is the good he delights in doing and serves with his mind with the law of sin that held him captive, that caused him not to do the good that he wanted to do, and that he served with his flesh, so I do not see how you can consider them to be the same law. Paul said that God's Law is not sin, but rather it instructs us what sin is (7:7), that it is holy, righteous, and good (7:12), that it is the good he sought to do (7:13-20), the good he delighted in doing (7:22), and that law that he served with his mind (7:25), but contracted that with the law of sin that came about to increase transgress (5:20), that stirred up sinful passions to bear fruit unto death (7:5), that held him captive (7:6), that gave sin it's power (7:8), that caused him not to do the good that he wanted (7:13-20), that held him captive (7:23), and that he served with his flesh (7:25).

See Gal 3:19.Here you admit the law is changed.

Having no more need for a tutor is not at all the same thing has having no more need for what the tutor taught you. The subject is still how to serve God and how to walk in His ways, but now that Christ has come, we have a superior teacher and a superior example of obedience to the Law to follow. We also have the Spirit, who has the role of leading us in obedience to God's Law (Ezekiel 36:26-27).

That means the "all things" of Mat 5:17-18 have indeed been fulfilled.

If taking a particular action was in accordance with God's righteousness before the cross, but after the cross that is no longer the case, or vice versa, then God's righteousness has changed, but God's righteousness is eternal and unchanging (Psalms 119:142) and so therefore all of God's righteous Laws are likewise eternal and unchanging (Psalms 119:160).

Heaven and earth are still here and not all has been accomplish because there is still the second coming. Rather:

Pleroo: to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment

In Matthew 5, Jesus said he came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it, said not the least part of the law would disappear until heaven and earth disappear and all is accomplished, both of which refer to end times, gave a warning which we should heed to those who would relax the least of the laws or teach others to do the same, and then proceeded to fulfill the law six times throughout the rest of the chapter by causing God's will (as made known in the Law) to be obeyed as it should be.

One of the things those of Heb 11 didn't have in common was the law issued to Israel per Deut 5:3.

In Genesis 26:5, it says that Abraham obeyed God's voice and kept His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws. We don't know the exact content of these instructions, but I think it is extremely safe to say that they could be summarized as instructions for how to do what is holy, righteous, and good in accordance with the attributes of God, just as the Mosaic Law can be summarized (Romans 7:12). And again, we have much evidence of God's Laws already being in place prior to Sinai.

Israel indeed is called God's wife. The Christian or Church is called the Bride of Christ. That bride isn't Israel. So you have 2 distinct and different groups.

The Greek word "ekklesia" means "assembly" or "church" and is used in the Septuagint to refer to the assembly of Israel in the wilderness, so that is when the Church Age began. When translators of the NT inconsistently translate "ekklesia" as "church" when it refers to a group of Christian believers and translate it as "assembly" everywhere else, they create the false impression that it is talking about something new, rather than something that has been rebuilt according to prophecy (Amos 9:11).

Interesting that you say "annulled." Why do you want to reinstitute an annulled contract (for lack of better expression)? Don't you have Israel becoming the bride of Christ? Under the law who can marry a divorced person without committing adultery? Don't you have Jesus (God) at least intending to sin by taking another's wife? I'm fairly certain you don't promote God died.

Sorry, should have explained that point better. In the Mosaic Covenant, Israel was the bride of Christ, but God gave her a certificate of divorce and according to Deuteronomy 24:1-4, she could not again return and become the bride of Christ without defiling the land. This is the issue that is being discussed in Jeremiah 3:1-14, but God nevertheless continued to call for her to return to Him, so He had a way of making it work out, and this way was a mystery. The only way the wife could return to her first husband would be if the first marriage contract was annulled, which could only happen when he died, but she could not return to someone who was dead, and surely God couldn't die. Enter Jesus, who died, which caused the first marriage contract to be annulled, which freed Israel from her to be free to belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit for God (Romans 7:1-4).

I've no idea why you quote Jeremiah, when you don't believe him. Jeremiah says in your quote, "not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt..." What covenant is this? The only covenant I know about with Israel is the one Moses says is the ten commandments per Deut 4:13. Do you know about another covenant with Israel? Jeremiah is talking about a new covenant in all the verses you quote. Jeremiah doesn't change subjects mid sentence.Where does anything you quote talk about moving the covenant from one place to another? How would that change the contents of the covenant? "Not according to... remember? You quoted it.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 has refers to a new marriage contract between God and the house of Israel and Judah, which again uses imagery of God being a husband to her. Furthermore, it talks about how the new marriage contract will be different from the previous one in that it is no longer one where man serves as a mediator to teach other men how to serve God and to walk in His ways, but rather it is one where can all hear God's voice instruct us how to serve Him and walk in His ways, from the least to the greatest.
 
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