Sin can not take away your salvation.

[lori milne]

You didn't read my previous post about that reference. Paul did not say "who walk not after the flesh". This was added later by someone else. Therefore that part of the passage is unreliable and gives the impression that we are still to obey the Mosaic law to avoid condemnation. If you read the reference properly you will see that the requirement not to walk after the flesh is in direct contradiction to "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death" So, if we are free from the law of sin and death, then why have a requirement not to walk after the flesh as a condition for no condemnation? Paul is actually saying that there is no condemnation to those in Christ because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has set us free from the law of sin and death. That is what Paul is actually saying. Inserting "who walk not after the flesh" confuses the issue, and it was put there by a later person and not Paul because total freedom in Christ did not agree with that person's theology. It may very well have been inserted in the particular manuscript by a person who believed that one must still keep the Mosaic law in order to be a genuine Christian. That teaching was invading the church during the first century and Paul wrote Galatians to refute it. Come on! You can't have one foot in Judaism and one in Christianity. Either you will love the one or hate the other. Either you are a Judaiser or a Christian. Which are you? You cannot be both.

Paul wrote Romans it doesn't say
Anything about that for the kjv unless your referencing a new translation!?

This are not allows quoted versus were bating at each other it's plain!
Grace isn't for you to just step on.

With your theology ware is the fear of the Lord
Speak in English your words !not a commentary, please.

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. ([bless and do not curse]Romans‬ [bless and do not curse]6‬:[bless and do not curse]23‬ KJV
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. ([bless and do not curse]Romans‬ [bless and do not curse]6‬:[bless and do not curse]1-4, 16-17‬ KJV)

 

[lori milne]

You didn't read my previous post about that reference. Paul did not say "who walk not after the flesh". This was added later by someone else. Therefore that part of the passage is unreliable and gives the impression that we are still to obey the Mosaic law to avoid condemnation. If you read the reference properly you will see that the requirement not to walk after the flesh is in direct contradiction to "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death" So, if we are free from the law of sin and death, then why have a requirement not to walk after the flesh as a condition for no condemnation? Paul is actually saying that there is no condemnation to those in Christ because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has set us free from the law of sin and death. That is what Paul is actually saying. Inserting "who walk not after the flesh" confuses the issue, and it was put there by a later person and not Paul because total freedom in Christ did not agree with that person's theology. It may very well have been inserted in the particular manuscript by a person who believed that one must still keep the Mosaic law in order to be a genuine Christian. That teaching was invading the church during the first century and Paul wrote Galatians to refute it. Come on! You can't have one foot in Judaism and one in Christianity. Either you will love the one or hate the other. Either you are a Judaiser or a Christian. Which are you? You cannot be both.

Paul wrote Romans it doesn't say
Anything about that for the kjv unless your referencing a new translation!?

This are not allows quoted versus were bating at each other it's plain!
Grace isn't for you to just step on.

With your theology ware is the fear of the Lord
Speak in English your words !not a commentary, please.

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. ([bless and do not curse]Romans‬ [bless and do not curse]6‬:[bless and do not curse]23‬ KJV
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. ([bless and do not curse]Romans‬ [bless and do not curse]6‬:[bless and do not curse]1-4, 16-17‬ KJV)

 

[lori milne]

You didn't read my previous post about that reference. Paul did not say "who walk not after the flesh". This was added later by someone else. Therefore that part of the passage is unreliable and gives the impression that we are still to obey the Mosaic law to avoid condemnation. If you read the reference properly you will see that the requirement not to walk after the flesh is in direct contradiction to "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death" So, if we are free from the law of sin and death, then why have a requirement not to walk after the flesh as a condition for no condemnation? Paul is actually saying that there is no condemnation to those in Christ because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has set us free from the law of sin and death. That is what Paul is actually saying. Inserting "who walk not after the flesh" confuses the issue, and it was put there by a later person and not Paul because total freedom in Christ did not agree with that person's theology. It may very well have been inserted in the particular manuscript by a person who believed that one must still keep the Mosaic law in order to be a genuine Christian. That teaching was invading the church during the first century and Paul wrote Galatians to refute it. Come on! You can't have one foot in Judaism and one in Christianity. Either you will love the one or hate the other. Either you are a Judaiser or a Christian. Which are you? You cannot be both.

Btw your not arguing with me about this its GOD!
trying to be correct with me isn't going to justify your willful sins any more then Grace will!
Do the search your self
I gave u a link to a YouTube
He is better at explaining it then myself

 

[Kyle Arn]

Romans 10:9-10New International Version (NIV)

9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

New International Version (NIV)

You Must not only believe. See what it says "If you confess with your mouth that he is lord". This means that you have to submit to his rule. You see there is a difference between sinning and giving up or sinning and getting up. It is not weather you will fall down. It is a matter of what you will do after. But only God himself is the judge.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Btw your not arguing with me about this its GOD!
trying to be correct with me isn't going to justify your willful sins any more then Grace will!
Do the search your self
I gave u a link to a YouTube
He is better at explaining it then myself

You are assuming that I am involved in some type of wilful, unconfessed sin. My life is hid in Christ, therefore the blood of Christ covers all sin. The devil accuses the brethren of sin. Remember that.

 

[lori milne]

You are assuming that I am involved in some type of wilful, unconfessed sin. My life is hid in Christ, therefore the blood of Christ covers all sin. The devil accuses the brethren of sin. Remember that.

I couldn't judge you even if I was the type , I had to put it that way to make the point made your self we are all sinners. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings or offend you My opologys

 

[Alithis]

You didn't read my previous post about that reference. Paul did not say "who walk not after the flesh". This was added later by someone else. Therefore that part of the passage is unreliable and gives the impression that we are still to obey the Mosaic law to avoid condemnation. If you read the reference properly you will see that the requirement not to walk after the flesh is in direct contradiction to "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death" So, if we are free from the law of sin and death, then why have a requirement not to walk after the flesh as a condition for no condemnation? Paul is actually saying that there is no condemnation to those in Christ because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has set us free from the law of sin and death. That is what Paul is actually saying. Inserting "who walk not after the flesh" confuses the issue, and it was put there by a later person and not Paul because total freedom in Christ did not agree with that person's theology. It may very well have been inserted in the particular manuscript by a person who believed that one must still keep the Mosaic law in order to be a genuine Christian. That teaching was invading the church during the first century and Paul wrote Galatians to refute it. Come on! You can't have one foot in Judaism and one in Christianity. Either you will love the one or hate the other. Either you are a Judaiser or a Christian. Which are you? You cannot be both.

may i inteject with a question here -
how does "walk not after the flesh ..equate to living by the mosaic law ?
to me it has always meant to not be ruled by the things the flesh ,desires, the evil inclinations of the flesh ..but to be ruled by the righteous and Holy desires of the Holy Spirit ..
hence live not after the flesh but after the Spirit .. the new man in Christ does not desire the evil things that my flesh desires ..but the choice of which i follow is ever mine .. Christ set me free to make that choice .
-it has never had anything what so ever to do with living by the law .i'm not sure where you get that from. whether it was added in or not ,it still has nothing to do with mosaic law.

 

[Alithis]

You are assuming that I am involved in some type of wilful, unconfessed sin. My life is hid in Christ, therefore the blood of Christ covers all sin. The devil accuses the brethren of sin. Remember that.

It is good when sharing on this topic then to be open and honest .,else we frustrate folks .
have you never done wrongfully since you got saved .. ?
have you no repetitive sin which you continue to do and struggle with (i would assume not lol) these are the type of questions that always get raised when we speak of living in victory over sin.

for me personally i am not condemned by my conscience nor the enemy , for two reasons ..
one because the lord has forgiven me my sin and washed me clean and removed the guilt of it from me
and two.. because the holy Spirit in me has lead me forward to a place where the victory in the lord Jesus which i attained BY FAITH has been and is ever being appropriated in me to such a state that ..that which was not ,has become that which IS .
hence i no longer commit that sin any more ...
when we begin this walk .. we grasp that state ,by faith ."calling those things which are not ,as though they already are "
and having done so .., those things which are not .., become that which IS ,by the working of the Power of the Holy Spirit .but only if we believe listen and obey . if not ,then we remain in disobedience and are not of God .

For that which was declared as faith to become established as truth, i had to be honest before god and obey him ...
the blood of the lord Jesus made this possible .for before ,i was a prisoner to sin, unable to to cease from it ,unable to save myself , but now the blood of Christ has set me free ..., but he did not set me free then hit auto pilot .
he set me free that i might follow Him ,listen to him obey him and Live .

it seems some think they can live as they please according to their own will ,forgetting that we are no longer our own if we be in Christ Jesus our Lord ,but have been purchased by an immeasurable price ...
we must die daily to self will in order to serve Gods will -cant have it both ways .its two masters .

when we read Paul's epistles i prefer to Always align everything with the Lords Parables

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I couldn't judge you even if I was the type , I had to put it that way to make the point made your self we are all sinners. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings or offend you My opologys

I knew that. What we do here is fair discussion. We are not meant to agree with each other all the time. That's what makes us different and also what makes CF very interesting at times.

I know that we are all sinners. We cannot in ourselves reach the standard of holiness that God requires of us. If we could then Jesus would not have needed to come and die for us. But it all depends on how we look at it. If we look at ourselves we have to agree with Paul when he says in Galatians that we have the sentence of death in ourselves. He acknowledges his own sinfulness. But he doesn't stop there, he goes on to say that because we have that sentence of death in ourselves we shouldn't trust in ourselves but in God who raises the dead.

Paul also shows his struggle with his own sinfulness in Romans 7. At length he cries out, "Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" Isn't that how we all feel at times when we slip up when we are trying to be holy? But again, he doesn't stop there. He says "I thank God through Jesus Christ my Lord." In other words, Jesus has loosed him from the consequences of his own sinfulness by taking that sinfulness on the cross and replacing it with His righteousness. So, we don't walk in our own sinfulness but in the righteousness of Christ.

But you are correct about those who say they are Christian but still have carnal minds and who are conducting themselves as if they are still in the world. These one ones who have got religion by coming over the wall instead of the strait gate. There is only one way to a genuine born-again experience, and that is to come through Christ, to die to self, and have our own sinfulness and wisdom exchanged for His righteousness and wisdom.

There are standards which we are to develop into, and our prayer every day is that we will develop holiness by the grace of God because His strength is made perfect in our weakness.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

may i inteject with a question here -
how does "walk not after the flesh ..equate to living by the mosaic law ?
to me it has always meant to not be ruled by the things the flesh ,desires, the evil inclinations of the flesh ..but to be ruled by the righteous and Holy desires of the Holy Spirit ..
hence live not after the flesh but after the Spirit .. the new man in Christ does not desire the evil things that my flesh desires ..but the choice of which i follow is ever mine .. Christ set me free to make that choice .
-it has never had anything what so ever to do with living by the law .i'm not sure where you get that from. whether it was added in or not ,it still has nothing to do with mosaic law.

Whenever Paul talks about "the flesh" he is talking about tryng to be right with God by following a set of rules and trying to do it in our own strength. When he talks about the law being inadequate to make us right with God, he uses the word "flesh". It means trying to use our natural selves to accomplish something only the Spirit of God can do in us.

The person who added "walk not after the flesh" was correct in principle but not in the context of what Paul was talking about. The person was saying that we should walk in our strength and ability but trust in the Holy Spirit for our Christian walk. Paul was not talking about that. He was saying that there was no condemnation in Christ because we have been set free from the law of sin and death.

Now, when we are looking at Paul's instruction to walk worthy of the calling we have received, then living a holy life is what he is talking about. Having habitual unconfessed sin is failing to walk worthy of our calling. Now this does not condemn us because the blood of Christ covers us in terms of our guilt and the penalty of sin, but failing to walk worthy robs us of fellowship with God and growth to maturity. We will be saved as of by fire, but we will go into eternity with nothing and God has to stand by sadly in the meantime wanting to have fellowship with us but our unworthy conduct stops that happening.

The Mosaic Law outlines God's standards of holiness. Paul says that there is nothing wrong with the Law. He says that it is good and holiness will come if we pay attention to it. But that is for our developing sanctification. But as far as being right and acceptable with God (Justification), and to be declared Not Guilty through the blood of Jesus, Paul says that the Mosaic Law was not sufficient to achieve it. Jesus had to come and die on the cross as the one and only sacrifice for us so that our sinfulness is put on the cross with Him. We receive the righteousness of Christ not by obeying a set of holy rules or the Mosaic Law, but by faith alone in Christ. This is the doctrine of Justification by Faith.

However, John Calvin says that living a holy life keeping short accounts with God by confessing sin (that is, agreeing with God that what we are doing is sin), is a sign of true conversion.

So there is a big difference between Justification - being declared Not Guilty by God, and developing Sanctification which is the process of developing holiness in our lives. We develop sanctification by identifying sin in our lives, confessing it to God and asking for the Holy Spirit to make the changes in us.

I hope that clears things up a bit.

 

[lori milne]

This is one that keeps me in this topic
What is your take?
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. ([bless and do not curse]Galatians‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]16-21‬ KJV)

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

It is good when sharing on this topic then to be open and honest .,else we frustrate folks .
have you never done wrongfully since you got saved .. ?

All the time!

have you no repetitive sin which you continue to do and struggle with (i would assume not lol) these are the type of questions that always get raised when we speak of living in victory over sin.

I struggle with my own failures and shortcomings all the time! I would by lying if I said I didn't.

for me personally i am not condemned by my conscience nor the enemy , for two reasons ..
one because the lord has forgiven me my sin and washed me clean and removed the guilt of it from me
and two.. because the holy Spirit in me has lead me forward to a place where the victory in the lord Jesus which i attained BY FAITH has been and is ever being appropriated in me to such a state that ..that which was not ,has become that which IS .
hence i no longer commit that sin any more ...

Agreed.

when we begin this walk .. we grasp that state ,by faith ."calling those things which are not ,as though they already are "
and having done so .., those things which are not .., become that which IS ,by the working of the Power of the Holy Spirit .but only if we believe listen and obey . if not ,then we remain in disobedience and are not of God .

That is the key. Instead of trying to follow a set of rules imposed on us by a church or the Mosaic Law, we listen to the Holy Spirit and when He convicts us of sin, we take heed, agree with God that what we are doing is actually sin and not something else by way of excuse, and ask to be loosed from the sin through the grace of God.

For that which was declared as faith to become established as truth, i had to be honest before god and obey him ...
the blood of the lord Jesus made this possible .for before ,i was a prisoner to sin, unable to to cease from it ,unable to save myself , but now the blood of Christ has set me free ..., but he did not set me free then hit auto pilot .
he set me free that i might follow Him ,listen to him obey him and Live .

No issue with that at all.

it seems some think they can live as they please according to their own will ,forgetting that we are no longer our own if we be in Christ Jesus our Lord ,but have been purchased by an immeasurable price ...
we must die daily to self will in order to serve Gods will -cant have it both ways .its two masters .

Absolutely!

when we read Paul's epistles i prefer to Always align everything with the Lords Parables

What we have to remember is that Jesus told His parables to unconverted Jews who had no spiritual discernment, and did not understand the plain truth, so that is why He had to speak to them in parables. The epistles were written to New Covenant Christians and therefore do not include parables. There is a Scripture that is interesting to consider:

But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”[a]
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God (1 Corinthians 2:9-10)

Paul is quoting from Isaiah 64:4. This is a favourite saying for some Christians who believe that we can never know the deeper things of God, that these are a mystery. Well, they were a mystery to Isaiah because he was of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant realities were not existant in his time. But when we go to verse 10, Paul says "but". This signifies that we should forget everything that came before the "but", because these things are no longer mysteries. For the New Covenant Christian God has revealed all the things that Old Covenant eyes and ears have never heard. We have the Holy Spirit living in us and He searches the deep things of God and reveals them to us.

So this is why we need to balance the parables with the Epistles because the parables are written for us but not to us. The epistles complete the parables by revealing the mysteries that are embedded in the parables that were not revealed to the unconverted Jews of the time. Jesus did tell His disciples that there were things needing to be said that they could not understand or bear at the time, but when the Holy Spirit comes He will reveal all things to them. This is what the epistles do - reveal the deep things of God to us. When we balance the parables with the Epistles, then we see what Jesus was getting at.

 

[Alithis]

All the time!



I struggle with my own failures and shortcomings all the time! I would by lying if I said I didn't.



Agreed.



That is the key. Instead of trying to follow a set of rules imposed on us by a church or the Mosaic Law, we listen to the Holy Spirit and when He convicts us of sin, we take heed, agree with God that what we are doing is actually sin and not something else by way of excuse, and ask to be loosed from the sin through the grace of God.



No issue with that at all.



Absolutely!



What we have to remember is that Jesus told His parables to unconverted Jews who had no spiritual discernment, and did not understand the plain truth, so that is why He had to speak to them in parables. The epistles were written to New Covenant Christians and therefore do not include parables. There is a Scripture that is interesting to consider:

But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”[a]
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God (1 Corinthians 2:9-10)

Paul is quoting from Isaiah 64:4. This is a favourite saying for some Christians who believe that we can never know the deeper things of God, that these are a mystery. Well, they were a mystery to Isaiah because he was of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant realities were not existant in his time. But when we go to verse 10, Paul says "but". This signifies that we should forget everything that came before the "but", because these things are no longer mysteries. For the New Covenant Christian God has revealed all the things that Old Covenant eyes and ears have never heard. We have the Holy Spirit living in us and He searches the deep things of God and reveals them to us.

So this is why we need to balance the parables with the Epistles because the parables are written for us but not to us. The epistles complete the parables by revealing the mysteries that are embedded in the parables that were not revealed to the unconverted Jews of the time. Jesus did tell His disciples that there were things needing to be said that they could not understand or bear at the time, but when the Holy Spirit comes He will reveal all things to them. This is what the epistles do - reveal the deep things of God to us. When we balance the parables with the Epistles, then we see what Jesus was getting at.

AMEN ...

..i was going to add .. but why lol?
AMEN -is suffice

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

This is one that keeps me in this topic
What is your take?
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. ([bless and do not curse]Galatians‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]16-21‬ KJV)

it says all we need to know, we are on Christ, we are a new creation, the spirit of God lives in us, we live according to the spirit now not the law as that was fulfilled by Jesus, who we chose to believe in, so all the things that the law would hold against us and we would be punished for are no longer held against us.
Praise the Lord.

 

[lori milne]

Such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of heaven.

Ware is the fear of the Lord in your theology

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. ([bless and do not curse]2 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]7‬:[bless and do not curse]1‬ KJV)

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

Such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of heaven.

Ware is the fear of the Lord in your theology

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. ([bless and do not curse]2 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]7‬:[bless and do not curse]1‬ KJV)

pearls before swine.

you stick to self righteousness, i will rely on Jesus's righteousness.

I'm not sure why you think the blood of Jesus is so weak that it cannot keep you cleansed?

 

[lori milne]

I'm saved born and raised a faith baptized even .
Now I'm in a Calvary church. Chuck smith pastor rip.

It cleansed me I believe it but it's his faith that will KEEP me from sinning : going back to my vomit/falling back into perdition.
We can stay clean /spot free , just repent from your sins.
U Can't serve both masters
Bad fruit doesn't come from a good tree

There is way to much in the bible that speaks against the theology of saved by grace .
I was on a search for truth but the more I talked to anyone about it like you for instance the more I believe there is a big lie in church and it's freaking me out! I'm still searching scriptures but the weight of saved by grace is found wanting.

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

I'm saved born and raised a faith baptized even .
Now I'm in a Calvary church. Chuck smith pastor rip.

It cleansed me I believe it but it's his faith that will KEEP me from sinning : going back to my vomit/falling back into perdition.
We can stay clean /spot free , just repent from your sins.
U Can't serve both masters
Bad fruit doesn't come from a good tree

There is way to much in the bible that speaks against the theology of saved by grace .
I was on a search for truth but the more I talked to anyone about it like you for instance the more I believe there is a big lie in church and it's freaking me out! I'm still searching scriptures but the weight of saved by grace is found wanting.

the bible says you are saved by Grace, we receive the free gift of righteousness, the righteousness of Jesus, do you believe Jesus is without sin, of course he is, did his blood cover us all, all sin for all time, yes of course it did.
just because you believe you are saved by Grace it does not mean you will go sinning on purpose, no more than you would under law.

By law you can leave an inheritance to someone, say a cheque for 10 billion pounds, by law you cannot say if they don't use it exactly how you would like them too they have to give it back.

God has entrusted us with a way to be saved and free from the affects of sin forever, it is up to us how we use this gift but I am convinced, as Paul would say, the majority will use it rightly because they realise at what price the gift came.

 

[lori milne]

the bible says you are saved by Grace, we receive the free gift of righteousness, the righteousness of Jesus, do you believe Jesus is without sin, of course he is, did his blood cover us all, all sin for all time, yes of course it did. just because you believe you are saved by Grace it does not mean you will go sinning on purpose, no more than you would under law. By law you can leave an inheritance to someone, say a cheque for 10 billion pounds, by law you cannot say if they don't use it exactly how you would like them too they have to give it back. God has entrusted us with a way to be saved and free from the affects of sin forever, it is up to us how we use this gift but I am convinced, as Paul would say, the majority will use it rightly because they realise at what price the gift came.

READ a clear statement from the word of God

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

([bless and do not curse]1 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]4-6, 11-12‬ KJV)

 

[ToBeBlessed]

after all the premise in the Op is we can do anything at all -we dont have to listen to gods voice and obey him we can just ignore god because we are already saved -we don't have to 'know him" whats relationship got to do with it ?

i honestly wonder how many follow the outer concept of the bible but really don't know what it is to 'hear' the lord Speak to them ,saying "this is the way, walk in it " ...

over and again i have begun to observe that the osas hyper type grace promoters seldom (if ever ) testify of when and how the lord has spoken to their hearts on a personal level.what he has said to them on a personal level ,how they respond and what was the result of that in their life .

in the absence of such testimony .. one is left to wonder why there is an absence of it

We don't feel the need to testify to how the Lord speaks to us because we do not want to be like the 'I don't sin' people who are always boasting of themselves and their lack of sin.

We do not need to make public that which we speak to God in private about. My relationship with God is sacred and many here want to use one's sacred relationship with God as a pawn to one up another. My relationship w/ my Lord is too wonderful for that. I don't put my most personal feelings and love for Jesus here because it is not respected.

When we boast of ourselves, that takes eyes off of Jesus Christ and puts eyes unto us. Many do not feel the need to make themselves higher than they ought to be, we know that the last here will be the first in heaven. We do not need kudos and the ackalades of men, for our Father will give us glory when it is our time to receive it.

For the Lord to be master, the carnal human being must be cast to the side.

If you try to do it, it does work. Then the glory can be given to the One who deserves the glory.