Sin can not take away your salvation.

[ToBeBlessed]

READ a clear statement from the word of God

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

([bless and do not curse]1 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]4-6, 11-12‬ KJV)

I do not understand what you are trying to say.

 

[lori milne]

We don't feel the need to testify to how the Lord speaks to us because we do not want to be like the 'I don't sin' people who are always boasting of themselves and their lack of sin. When we boast of ourselves, that takes eyes off of Jesus Christ and puts eyes unto us. Many do not feel the need to make themselves higher than they ought to be, we know that the last here will be the first in heaven. We do not need kudos and the ackalades of men, for our Father will give us glory when it is our time to receive it. For the Lord to be master, the carnal human being must be cast to the side. If you try to do it, it does work. Then the glory can be given to the One who deserves the glory.

Who said I don't sin? I do I just stop willful sin if I fall into it which hasn't been for a while now
And repent and keep to the spirit and Jesus promise he won't give me more In temptation the I can handle.

The instant to sin like when you stub your toe doesn't go away until your eating meat off of milk grown a bit in the spirit

 

[thepromiseofgrace]

READ a clear statement from the word of God

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

([bless and do not curse]1 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]4-6, 11-12‬ KJV)

God was not well pleased, lest he fall, does any of that say they will lose their salvation?

"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

has eternal life, will not be judged, how much more clear can that be, hears my word and believes, that's what it says.

 

[lori milne]

I do not understand what you are trying to say.

It was to someone In regards to what sin can do in your life if you allow your flesh to lead you

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Who said I don't sin? I do I just stop willful sin if I fall into it which hasn't been for a while now
And repent and keep to the spirit and Jesus promise he won't give me more In temptation the I can handle.

The instant to sin like when you stub your toe doesn't go away until your eating meat off of milk grown a bit in the spirit

That comment was written to a specific post. I don't think it was in reply to you.

 

[lori milne]

That comment was written to a specific post. I don't think it was in reply to you.

oopsy tehe

 

[lori milne]

😀

 

[probinson]

We don't feel the need to testify to how the Lord speaks to us because we do not want to be like the 'I don't sin' people who are always boasting of themselves and their lack of sin.

We do not need to make public that which we speak to God in private about. My relationship with God is sacred and many here want to use one's sacred relationship with God as a pawn to one up another. My relationship w/ my Lord is too wonderful for that. I don't put my most personal feelings and love for Jesus here because it is not respected.

When we boast of ourselves, that takes eyes off of Jesus Christ and puts eyes unto us. Many do not feel the need to make themselves higher than they ought to be, we know that the last here will be the first in heaven. We do not need kudos and the ackalades of men, for our Father will give us glory when it is our time to receive it.

For the Lord to be master, the carnal human being must be cast to the side.

If you try to do it, it does work. Then the glory can be given to the One who deserves the glory.

You do realize that this entire post is one massive boast about how you don't boast, right?

Boasting about not boasting. Only on CF.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

You do realize that this entire post is one massive boast about how you don't boast, right?

Boasting about not boasting. Only on CF.

Well .... Let's see.

I don't have a habit of boasting. I don't feel the need to judge or bring to anyone's attention if their walk is not as far along as mine.

Nope ... Not correct.

 

[lori milne]

Well .... Let's see. I don't have a habit of boasting. I don't feel the need to judge or bring to anyone's attention if their walk is not as far along as mine. Nope ... Not correct.

Im such a good person!! It's because I don't boast really!! You should see me not boasting .. come over and watch me not talk about how I don't boast lol I could help it its funny and I'm supper immature when it comes to comedy or jokes being goofy in Jesus name

 

[lori milne]

Im such a good person!! It's because I don't boast really!! You should see me not boasting .. come over and watch me not talk about how I don't boast lol I could help it its funny and I'm supper immature when it comes to comedy or jokes being goofy in Jesus name

That wasn't to you btw or at all implying your boasting I didn't even see that at all

 

[Alithis]

When is sharing testimony to display how the lord has not only further revealed a doctrine, but actually outworked it into our lives ..become boasting?

if we must boast let us boast in the lord .
I will never cease to tell of the good things the lord has done for me and what Great Love he has shown me .
a thousand doctrinal theories are nothing to me but 1000 doctrinal theories .
Give me the truth and Power of the cross over a theory ANY DAY.

by the blood of the lamb we are set free from the "power" of sin ..
we are set free to choose to do it no more .
else Christ died in vain.

 

[ToBeBlessed]

The problem is not sharing testimony, it is when we expect everyone else to be where we are in our walk with God and write it in that way.

I don't think some realize how they write.

 

[lori milne]

Well thank God for thread description then
Other wise I wouldn't no what to say .
Amen!

Once saved always saved contradicts can sin take away your salvation which is the question.

I say If your saved and live in sin your not living in the Lord and basically turned away! U Can go to hell at this point.
Can't serve two master theory. But that's not for ever you can go back and repent and The blood atonement will cover your sins again every time you. Printable sun theory.
It is a gift for everyone in the world.

Calvinistic / saved by grace or the predestined, once saved always saved :: would say they weren't saved or not called to begin with or there sin is covered.
A predestined Ideas are for an elect group only to go to heaven not everyone else .
Meaning God pre chooses an elect group and gives them there own will to want to not sin. Which is a contradiction to saved by grace or sins being covered.
& Not that he /God could have done that for every one from the beginning but that's just me.

Two opposing views But both in Jesus name
God bless
Any corrections on the quotes are received in grace and love

 

[ToBeBlessed]

Calvinistic / saved by grace or the predestined, once saved always saved :: would say they weren't saved or not called to begin with or there sin is covered.
A predestined Ideas are for an elect group only to go to heaven not everyone else .

What does predestination have to do with once saved always saved? This is not a discussion about predestination or Calvinism.

The discussion is "Can sin take away your salvation?". No it cannot. When we come to Jesus, we are His. He knows we sin. He made it so sin could not remove our salvation because He knew we would mess it up. That's why He did it. That's why it's grace.

 

[lori milne]

The Calvinistic theology is a predestination believe and started or Is a base to once saved always saved.

If the answer is no to the threads question then you or who ever believes they are saved by grace believes once saved always saved or predestination.

On the other side of The answer, like me , I say yes it can effect salvation. then I don't believe in that theology saved by grace or however you put it ,
I say if you sin or living in sin or are a sinner your salvation is in jeopardy.
Hope I didn't confuse the thread.

The answer basically defines your believe. Calvinistic is the old name for hyper grace Arminianism which is like the opposition to that theology that we have a choice to sin and we can fall from grace and there is no predestination.

I truly do know that lot of folks don't even get all that stuff but it's I guess for those that do. Or don't either way it's my take on the question.

All in good cheer and In Jesus name

 

[ToBeBlessed]

The Calvinistic theology is a predestination believe and started or Is a base to once saved always saved.

If the answer is no to the threads question then you or who ever believes they are saved by grace believes once saved always saved or predestination.

On the other side of The answer, like me , I say yes it can effect salvation. then I don't believe in that theology saved by grace or however you put it ,
I say if you sin or living in sin or are a sinner your salvation is in jeopardy.
Hope I didn't confuse the thread.

The answer basically defines your believe. Calvinistic is the old name for hyper grace Arminianism which is like the opposition to that theology that we have a choice to sin and we can fall from grace and there is no predestination.

I truly do know that lot of folks don't even get all that stuff but it's I guess for those that do. Or don't either way it's my take on the question.

All in good cheer and In Jesus name

You would be incorrect in that assumption.

I believe OSAS because we are sealed by the Holy Spirit and because we have been given the Holy Spirit until the day when we receive our full inheritance in Christ.

It has nothing to do with predestination for me.

 

[Alithis]

The Calvinistic theology is a predestination believe and started or Is a base to once saved always saved.

If the answer is no to the threads question then you or who ever believes they are saved by grace believes once saved always saved or predestination.

On the other side of The answer, like me , I say yes it can effect salvation. then I don't believe in that theology saved by grace or however you put it ,
I say if you sin or living in sin or are a sinner your salvation is in jeopardy.
Hope I didn't confuse the thread.

The answer basically defines your believe. Calvinistic is the old name for hyper grace Arminianism which is like the opposition to that theology that we have a choice to sin and we can fall from grace and there is no predestination.

I truly do know that lot of folks don't even get all that stuff but it's I guess for those that do. Or don't either way it's my take on the question.

All in good cheer and In Jesus name

we've sort of been there done this ..but all good ..
its all in the perception of the terminology .

can sin lose us our salvation? - no because we are forgiven.
and now that we have been forgiven .. can sin lose us our salvation?
yes ..if it is belligerent unrepentant sin ..
as in the case of UN-forgiveness .. if we do not forgive those who sin against us ,neither will our heavenly father forgive us .. there is simply no doctrine which cancels these words .
so though we may at a time in life become saved ... if later we are deeply offended ,and we refuse to forgive that person ..then neither will our own sins be forgiven and ,perish we will .
-and then of course there is the point that ..if we are truly saved ,then the holy Spirit wil speak to us and convict us of the need to forgive and .. because we are truly saved ,we will forgive -and so be forgiven .

thus another question arises ... -what if i die in the middle of that process of coming to the place where i forgive .. ?
here we argue over it lol-so i wil speak of two points .
but in honesty i believe the lords words remain true ..uncomfortable as that might be to hear .
1.you see, when we ask the lord to forgive us ..he does not wait until our offense against him is very old and then forgive us when he feels like he wants to "get around to it " because he is wallowing in self pity .. No he forgives us immediately and expects our response towards other to be motivated by the same instantaneous love as his own towards us . Every moment we do not forgive we are in peril .
2. the lord is final judge ,he knows the intent of the heart and he judges us from that perfect and righteous stance of knowing the true intent of our heart ..he knows if we had honest intent to forgive ...and he also knows if we were faking it with lip service !

you didn't confuse the thread ..you joined it .

 

[Alithis]

The problem is not sharing testimony, it is when we expect everyone else to be where we are in our walk with God and write it in that way.

I don't think some realize how they write.

what would the alternative be ..?- to expect no one to grow in grace and sanctification and holiness ? every Sunday we sit in church listening to a pastor or preacher, preach on things we can improve on in our life with the lord and be ministered to on and be healed from ..etc, all toward effecting Godly change from where we are presently at in the lord to a deeper relationship with the lord and ever increasing transformation..
i might ask .." do you you stand up and interject every Sunday in church the way you do here "?
and one change ,certainly not being the least ..is the need to be ever increasingly free of the entanglements of sin as we recognize them in our lives by the conviction of the holy Spirit and allow him to deal with them .because entanglement in sin ..works in a person deception and doubt and unbelief and spiritual death .
every one is ,as you say at differing stages .. but its up to each person who hears or reads to measure themselves and work out their own salvation..
- let them .

can sin effect our salvation.. ? yes if it is harbored fed and not turned away from because to continue in it ..we must silence the holy Spirit speaking to us about it and disobey God.

can sin we have repented of and been forgiven for effect our salvation ? No ,there is no record of it to effect our salvation .

 

[ToBeBlessed]

what would the alternative be ..?- to expect no one to grow in grace and sanctification and holiness ? every Sunday we sit in church listening to a pastor or preacher, preach on things we can improve on in our life with the lord and be ministered to on and be healed from ..etc, all toward effecting Godly change from where we are presently at in the lord to a deeper relationship with the lord and ever increasing transformation..
i might ask .." do you you stand up and interject every Sunday in church the way you do here "?
and one change ,certainly not being the least ..is the need to be ever increasingly free of the entanglements of sin as we recognize them in our lives by the conviction of the holy Spirit and allow him to deal with them .because entanglement in sin ..works in a person deception and doubt and unbelief and spiritual death .
every one is ,as you say at differing stages .. but its up to each person who hears or reads to measure themselves and work out their own salvation..
- let them .

can sin effect our salvation.. ? yes if it is harbored fed and not turned away from because to continue in it ..we must silence the holy Spirit speaking to us about it and disobey God.

can sin we have repented of and been forgiven for effect our salvation ? No ,there is no record of it to effect our salvation .

Red above. In some who are a little resistant to following the Lord, I think we plant seeds. The same as salvation. Sometimes our planting leads to growth and some times it doesn't. We can only be who we are and try to help and spread the gospel as much as we can. The sins and or problems of the church are not on our shoulders. If we add judgement to the situation, that turns sinners off every time. It's when we non-judgmentally talk about ourselves, not expecting other to be like us, but hoping that they can get 'a little' help from us (our planting seeds) is when, IMHO we are most effective. If the Lord and the Holy Spirit in their hearts has not been reason enough to turn them from sin, then I highly, highly doubt it will be effective to boast about how any of us has gotten better and closer to God because of our obedience? Do the disobedient change because of man? I've not seen it yet. But done lovingly, man can plant seeds in a heart. Why lovingly? Because a sinner will turn off and away from a message with arrogant connotations and if they aren't listening to the Holy Spirit then it is doubtful they will listen to any man.

Blue above. I am very lucky to have my pastor. He knows the Word so well and if he doesn't know, he finds out.

The issue I have with many threads on CF is that they wield the Word not in context and truth, but in error. That needs correction, not so much for the poster, but the ones who read the thread after.

I wish you lived in my city, I would invite you to my church. You would learn so much of the Word that you would see how important it is to rightly divide it. I think you would become a member if your spirit was hungry for the Word and learning it in the correct context. Amen

Purple above. What I notice from the people who feel that they can loose their salvation is two things; 1) a obsession with self 2) an obsession with sin. The people that believe in OSAS, are not in that entaglement. We move on past our sin. We move on to love of others and doing the work of Christ, as Christ meant it to be when He died for all sin.

You are free to believe what you like, but notice the HUGE difference between people even on this forum. There is one camp much more into sin and much more into saving themselves from sin. The other camp knows that they are ALREADY free of sin, having died to sin with Jesus (Romans 5,6,7) and do not let their sin stand in the way of what God told us the second most important commandment was.

We will always disagree on this until you see that the fact that you have the Holy Spirit inside of you is your seal. Holy Spirit = child of Christ, saved. No Holy Spirit = not Christ, not saved.

Ephesians 1:13
"13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory"

It's very simple. The Holy Spirit is our guarantee til the day of redemption. That may be an area of the Word that you might want to study again for clarification. I hope you do brother. It changes ones life. In the Lord, it changes ones life.