Sin can not take away your salvation.

[ToBeBlessed]

We are more saved than the lost are lost.
God is better than the devil at keeping His children.

An act of sin can no more kill the born again spirit than an act of righteousness can raise up the unregenerate.

Yes brother! Love that.

 

[lori milne]

If by faith alone give us the strength to move mountains or walk on water !
I say what is faith?

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference
Romans‬ [bless and do not curse]3‬:[bless and do not curse]22‬ KJV ( believe in what) ?

Not just believe in him he is the word made into flesh, believe in the word of God as well as all that he did !

That would require us to obtain faith by reading the entire word and understand it so we don't apply it in our life but the word will apply in our life!
Amen

 

[Alithis]

so if sin has no power over you why do yu think any sin can affect your position with God. Under Grace I already have bowed to God, I trust that i am through Jesus sin free in God's eyes , that through the righteousness of Jesus ia m in and stay permanently in right standing with God.

so now is it you saying you never sin ? lol funny how that goes round and about isnt it .

 

[lori milne]

Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God

Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]3‬:[bless and do not curse]8-12‬ KJV

 

[SavedByGrace3]

so now is it you saying you never sin ? lol funny how that goes round and about isnt it .

When believers say we never sin, we are simply building off of what John said in 1 John:

American Standard Version
Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.

We must reflect off what part of us is born of God. When we were born again, it was our spirit that was born of God, not our corporate self (spirit, soul, and body). Our body was not born again, our soul was not born again. It was only our spirit that was born again. If we walk according to the inclinations of our reborn spirit we will indeed never sin, because the God part of us cannot sin any more than God can. So the answer is no, we never sin from our born again spirit. All sin now come forth from the flesh.

Dids

 

[Frogster]

When believers say we never sin, we are simply building off of what John said in 1 John:

American Standard Version
Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.

We must reflect off what part of us is born of God. When we were born again, it was our spirit that was born of God, not our corporate self (spirit, soul, and body). Our body was not born again, our soul was not born again. It was only our spirit that was born again. If we walk according to the inclinations of our reborn spirit we will indeed never sin, because the God part of us cannot sin any more than God can. So the answer is no, we never sin from our born again spirit. All sin now come forth from the flesh.

Dids

true, actually, as you know, our new man can't sin, or corruption could enter it, and we would need another cross event, and a third Adam.

And that would mean we are not born again of an incorruptible seed.

 

[Viren]

When believers say we never sin, we are simply building off of what John said in 1 John:

American Standard Version
Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.

We must reflect off what part of us is born of God. When we were born again, it was our spirit that was born of God, not our corporate self (spirit, soul, and body). Our body was not born again, our soul was not born again. It was only our spirit that was born again. If we walk according to the inclinations of our reborn spirit we will indeed never sin, because the God part of us cannot sin any more than God can. So the answer is no, we never sin from our born again spirit. All sin now come forth from the flesh.

Yep.

1 Corinthians 5:4

So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

 

[lori milne]

Yep. 1 Corinthians 5:4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Your glorying is not good.
Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
[bless and do not curse]1 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]5‬:[bless and do not curse]5-8‬ KJV
Truth is the key word

 

[lori milne]

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; ([bless and do not curse]1 Timothy‬ [bless and do not curse]2‬:[bless and do not curse]3-5‬ KJV)

 

[Simon_Templar]

Sin can not take away your salvation.

Sin and death entered through Adam, Rom 5:12, 5:15-17 shows that, basically all died in Adam, in fact, the whole of creation died, Rom 8.

If sin could still kill spiritually again, then it’s fair to say, most would be dead again, they would be back in a pre-salvation state.

Then that would mean that Jesus would have to come back to earth again, and go to the cross again, to redeem mankind all over again, and then we would now have to have a third Adam!

We can’t die again for sin, unrepentant, or unknown sin, or otherwise, because there is no more sacrifice for sin, it is done, it is eternal, unless we are to think that Jesus made a flawed new man, commonly known as the last Adam..last….that word means it, last! It means no more Adam’s.

Heb 10:18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.


Lets not give Adam #1 more credit than Adam#2, our Lord.

Since the first adam killed us all eternally, then I know that the last made us alive eternally.

Leaving even the doctrine aside for a moment, your logic here is basically a bunch of non-sequiters.

Sin entered through Adam and sin brought death. (yes, we agree)
All died in Adam (Yes, we agree)

if sin could kill again then most would be dead again and back in a pre-salvation state.

(We have a slight disagreement here because of my views on sacramental grace etc. But for the sake of discussion I'll ignore them for now. In my view the state of a Christian fallen into mortal sin is different than a person who was never a believer, but set that aside for the moment).

Then that would mean that Jesus would have to come back to earth again, and go to the cross again, to redeem mankind all over again, and then we would now have to have a third Adam!

Here is where the logical wheels fall off. None of this conclusion actually follows from the previous statements.

I'm going to assume that you would agree that Jesus secured an unlimited supply of grace and forgiveness by his once for all sacrifice.

At this point there are two logical possibilities.

#1 - Receiving that grace and forgiveness is conditional upon something you do, such as repentance and giving your allegiance to God etc.

#2 - Receiving that grace and forgiveness is conditional only upon God deciding to give it to you, completely regardless of anything you do or don't do.

If you select option #2 above then there are two further possibilities
#1 - God decided to give this grace and forgiveness to everyone, therefor everyone is saved, regardless of what they do. In this case our conversation here has no meaning and is a complete waste of time. Indeed Christianity itself is pointless and really a waste of time.

#2 - God decided to give this grace and forgiveness only to certain people, therefor those certain people are saved regardless of what they do. Everyone else is going to hell, regardless of what they do.

If you select option 1 above, then everyone is saved no matter what and there is no point to any of this conversation or Christianity itself for that matter.

If you select option 2 above then there are 2 further options
#1 - The grace God gives automatically transforms people so that they stop being wicked.

#2 - The grace that God gives does not automatically transform people, thus they continue to be wicked.

In case #1 above, the response to grace is mechanical and this whole conversation would be pointless because you have no real say in whether you sin or not. In this case, the only point of Christianity is essentially to point out those people who are saved by demonstrating that they are being transformed. This would also suggest that your arguments is incorrect since the saved people should stop sinning because grace is transforming them.

In case #2 above, there is no real response to grace and again this whole conversation is pointless, and indeed all of Christianity is pointless and makes no difference whatsoever.


Now, if you go back to the original choice and select option #1, this is the only case in which our conversation actually matters or has any real meaning. Thus if you pick any of the other options you should probably just stop wasting everyone's time by posting pointless meaningless conversations.

If we receive grace from Jesus based upon our asking for it, or accepting it, or repenting, or whatever other condition you prefer, and his supply is limitless, then all you would have to do is repeat the condition under which you received the grace to begin with.

Your argument is imposing an assumed limitation on Jesus' supply of grace and forgiveness to one per person. So once you received yours, he'd have to go get more if you messed up your first round.

Your assumption is apparently that because the sacrifice by which Jesus obtained grace and forgiveness for us was a one shot deal, that therefor its availability to us must also be a one shot deal.

However, it's not the one shot sacrifice which has to be repeated in order for us to receive more grace and forgiveness. Its the condition under which we receive them that has to be repeated. In other words, you have to ask again, or accept again, or repent again (or whatever condition you prefer).

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Simon...
Nice run down.


One thought...
"#1 - God decided to give this grace and forgiveness to everyone, therefor everyone is saved, regardless of what they do. In this case our conversation here has no meaning and is a complete waste of time. Indeed Christianity itself is pointless and really a waste of time. "

Is this contingent on the preposition that it is all about men and what happens to them? Did God save us for the sole purpose of our being saved? Do you think it possible that God did this for some other reason? We are not the center of it.. Christianity is a means to an end. Perhaps He just wanted a family... someone to gather around His table for Him.
Dids

 

[Simon_Templar]

Simon...
Nice run down.


One thought...
"#1 - God decided to give this grace and forgiveness to everyone, therefor everyone is saved, regardless of what they do. In this case our conversation here has no meaning and is a complete waste of time. Indeed Christianity itself is pointless and really a waste of time. "

Is this contingent on the preposition that it is all about men and what happens to them? Did God save us for the sole purpose of our being saved? Do you think it possible that God did this for some other reason? We are not the center of it.. Christianity is a means to an end. Perhaps He just wanted a family... someone to gather around His table for Him.
Dids

Interesting question.

I would agree that God desires family. However I would also caution that this can never be thought of in the sense of a need that he must fill. In fact, God desires family because family is already his eternal nature. God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is an eternal family.

So he is not creating a family for himself, as though he did not have one previously, rather he is expanding his existing perfect family by adopting us into it.

Now, is it all about man? I guess the answer would be yes and no. In a sense the adoption and glorification of man is the point and ultimate end of creation. However, a key part of that process is realizing that ultimately God is the center of everything and everything is ultimately about him, including us and all of our existence.

If you mean to ask the ultimate why of creation and salvation... Why did God do all this? then I don't think we are capable of answering that question other than to simply say, because he wanted to, or because it is an expression of his nature.

I would say that all of creation was made to express God's ineffable nature. That raises the question, who is creation meant to express his nature to? The only answer I think makes sense is us, man.

*ADD*
I suppose this question would be something like asking, is a wedding all about the bride? does the wedding exist simply to prevent the bride from becoming a spinster old maid?

The common attitude of our day is that yes the wedding is all about the bride. If you look at it from the perspective of the groom, then it would kind of be all about the bride, but likewise if you look at it from the perspective of the bride, then it should be all about the groom. If you look at it from the objective perspective, It's about both the bride and the groom and the two of them coming together and being united into one new family.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Good stuff.
Contemplation...
Thanks...

Interesting question.

I would agree that God desires family. However I would also caution that this can never be thought of in the sense of a need that he must fill. In fact, God desires family because family is already his eternal nature. God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is an eternal family.

So he is not creating a family for himself, as though he did not have one previously, rather he is expanding his existing perfect family by adopting us into it.

Now, is it all about man? I guess the answer would be yes and no. In a sense the adoption and glorification of man is the point and ultimate end of creation. However, a key part of that process is realizing that ultimately God is the center of everything and everything is ultimately about him, including us and all of our existence.

If you mean to ask the ultimate why of creation and salvation... Why did God do all this? then I don't think we are capable of answering that question other than to simply say, because he wanted to, or because it is an expression of his nature.

I would say that all of creation was made to express God's ineffable nature. That raises the question, who is creation meant to express his nature to? The only answer I think makes sense is us, man.

*ADD*
I suppose this question would be something like asking, is a wedding all about the bride? does the wedding exist simply to prevent the bride from becoming a spinster old maid?

The common attitude of our day is that yes the wedding is all about the bride. If you look at it from the perspective of the groom, then it would kind of be all about the bride, but likewise if you look at it from the perspective of the bride, then it should be all about the groom. If you look at it from the objective perspective, It's about both the bride and the groom and the two of them coming together and being united into one new family.