sin as choices

[FadingWhispers3]

If sin is a choice, then there must be some who by the grace of God have overcome and thereafter make or strive to make the right choices. Does anyone have such an uplifting testimony or know of anyone who has, so that all here may be encouraged?

 

[allhart]

If sin is a choice, then there must be some who by the grace of God have overcome and thereafter make or strive to make the right choices. Does anyone have such an uplifting testimony or know of anyone who has, so that all here may be encouraged?

A choice to be a warrior of God!I thought of myself as a Godly person,but i wasn't committed to God.The trials of life over taken my strength and sanity. Drugs ,to a goal orientated driven life didn't fulfill any kind of real purpose. (perfectionist) To relational dysfunctions with the loved one's around me.I was and still am a mess ,but by the grace of God! As in Act 28:26-27 I am being heal.This is hard to totally write. For the journey to the arms of God has been exhausting and multi faceted.Thanks be to God for his pursuit of me. The lover of my soul.

 

[Beanieboy]

The pharisees were religious and they crucified Jesus. Thats not me! Sorry! I have a personal one on one relationship with him and their is absolutes is in the world of chaos.

Wow. Uh, simply by sinning, and needing forgiveness, you crucified Jesus.

"Who was the guilty?
Who brought this upon thee?
Alas, my treason, Jesus, hath undone thee.
'Twas I, Lord Jesus, I it was denied thee:
I crucified thee."

 

[Beanieboy]

To you and Mrpirate.You want to be angry with me O.K. ,but please keep my accountability to you on my own merit.Not this rhetoric that others play . My, if you persecute Jesus you will be doing the same to me. For I get my insight on a biblical view.Also i don't hate the person ,but i hate sin and i account for sin on my own behalf.I look in the mirror everyday! To love myself i have to see to change the evil things in my life and i have to see it some time from an outside point of view.To get a true alignment you have to reference something that is true.That Is GOD Amen means true!

I am not angry with you, nor do I want you to be angry with me.

We take the time to think out and type out our thought, and your two sentence responses, that don't address what we say, suggest that you want us to listen while not giving the courtesy to read our posts.

That's all I am asking for. Is that too much to ask?
Read, contemplate, and respond to what we said, rather than some one or two sentence answer that doesn't even respond to the points we make?

 

[selfinflikted]

I have notice in our forum
a lot on homosexuality!

This is a hot topic right now, and this is the Ethics and Morality debate forum.

I want to make a statement ,but in a discussion forum. If we choose to use a drug.Isn't that still a choice!

Yes.

(A thought )When i choose to use never used before.That was a choice ;however , once you use and has became addicted is that still a choice (YES!) The same is in homosexuality, People decide at the time knowing the fatal results of their action and still make the choice. As drug addicts do!

For starters, this is a horrible analogy on so many levels. First and foremost, homosexuality is not an addiction. Secondly, for this analogy to even half work, you'd have to be "addicted" (and I use this term ever so lightly) before you even tried the drug. Thirdly, explain to me a "fatal" result of homosexuality that the same could not be said for heterosexuality.

Homosexuals try to justify their behavior .

No, we just try to point out that who we are isn't in itself "wrong". There is a big difference between that and trying to justify it.

There is consequence for everything we do.

Sure there is.

Some choices are harder to over come once we start down that road. Our choice about sin matters and it hurts more than just the person acting on their desires or feelings. These choice hurt parents, family and friends. The feelings and desire of our lives are inter-twined with direct decision we make. "Metaphors" Jesus used them and i myself like them they make you think . The statements may give you glimps into some experience of another aspect of one's life.

Homosexuality in itself doesn't hurt anyone. It's completely indifferent, and is certainly not an action that can harm. People can certainly hurt one another, be they gay or straight. Families may be distressed when they learn another family member is gay, sometimes for fear of their "eternal soul" and sometimes because they realize that a gay's life will be a hard one. However, these are things that can change when society as a whole comes to the realisation at which many of us gays have already arrived. The realisation is, of course, that gay people are just people - neither inherently good or bad - and are just another example of how beautiful and diverse human existence is.

 

[ArchaicTruth]

Thirdly, explain to me a "fatal" result of homosexuality that the same could not be said for heterosexuality.

Well, (and I say this with utmost grief and depravity) parents of gay children often make fatal mistakes on discovery of their children's gay sexuality, and while not the fault of the homosexual in question or in general necessarily, is still arguably caused by it.

 

[allhart]

Wow. Uh, simply by sinning, and needing forgiveness, you crucified Jesus.

"Who was the guilty?
Who brought this upon thee?
Alas, my treason, Jesus, hath undone thee.
'Twas I, Lord Jesus, I it was denied thee:
I crucified thee."

(You) crucified NOT

 

[allhart]

This is a hot topic right now, and this is the Ethics and Morality debate forum.



Yes.



For starters, this is a horrible analogy on so many levels. First and foremost, homosexuality is not an addiction. Secondly, for this analogy to even half work, you'd have to be "addicted" (and I use this term ever so lightly) before you even tried the drug. Thirdly, explain to me a "fatal" result of homosexuality that the same could not be said for heterosexuality.



No, we just try to point out that who we are isn't in itself "wrong". There is a big difference between that and trying to justify it.



Sure there is.



Homosexuality in itself doesn't hurt anyone. It's completely indifferent, and is certainly not an action that can harm. People can certainly hurt one another, be they gay or straight. Families may be distressed when they learn another family member is gay, sometimes for fear of their "eternal soul" and sometimes because they realize that a gay's life will be a hard one. However, these are things that can change when society as a whole comes to the realisation at which many of us gays have already arrived. The realisation is, of course, that gay people are just people - neither inherently good or bad - and are just another example of how beautiful and diverse human existence is.

You are very good in you own ball court. Lets see if you can play out in Jesus's court.I work long hour so come back on the weekend if you can. Lets talk about truth and the moral code.

 

[Beanieboy]

(You) crucified NOT

Was the crucifiction neccesary for your personal salvation?

 

[ArchaicTruth]

Was the crucifiction neccesary for your personal salvation?

For me, yes. In my personal quest (note personal) to repay He who died for me, I have become a better person both physically and mentally. If not for his example, I would most assuredly be a mini-recoveringphilosopher.

 

[selfinflikted]

You are very good in you own ball court. Lets see if you can play out in Jesus's court.I work long hour so come back on the weekend if you can. Lets talk about truth and the moral code.

No thanks. I've heard my fair share of proselytizing.

 

[Beanieboy]

For me, yes. In my personal quest (note personal) to repay He who died for me, I have become a better person both physically and mentally. If not for his example, I would most assuredly be a mini-recoveringphilosopher.

It was my understanding that Christ's death was necessary for Christians, yet allhart claims that he is not responsible. How can one not be responsible if they have sinned, or are a descendent of Adam, for a Christian POV?
Curious.

 

[ArchaicTruth]

Good question

 

[allhart]

It was my understanding that Christ's death was necessary for Christians, yet allhart claims that he is not responsible. How can one not be responsible if they have sinned, or are a descendent of Adam, for a Christian POV?
Curious.

You are putting your own spin on this! Taking not my true thoughts. You should clarify one's statement before you become condescending.
In one's writings with out facial features or expression you lose about 80% of one's thought process!
Try reading( Proverbs 1:29-33) You keep asking me to try to understand you more. Why should I ? On what bases do you want me to believe. I except you in your desires; however I don't approve. In saying this, this doesn't mean I hate you (NO!) I except you and your choice, but I (God) disapprove and I still care about you.(A statement) For if it was just me to convince you of God and scripture! There would be another that would do other wise. I am to share truth and it is for the holy spirit to Knock on your heart asking you to let him in. Taking in Godly wisdom takes one with humility and being humbled by their own experiences. Beanieboy you are very smart in defending yourself. Take the time to see what it is God loves about you and why he wants to have a personal relationship with you. My friend!

 

[allhart]

beanieboy Look inside for the answers with scripture. Not with a hard heart?

 

[uberd00b]

Smashing, another homosexuality-is-a-choice thread.

Nothing makes you look more hypocritical than claiming other peoples sexuality is a choice but yours is not.

Carry on!

*grabs popcorn*

 

[allhart]

Smashing, another homosexuality-is-a-choice thread.

Nothing makes you look more hypocritical than claiming other peoples sexuality is a choice but yours is not.

Carry on!

*grabs popcorn*

All rules and guide lines in the bible come from principles. A principle is the "why" behind the rule. The creation account recorded in the bible reveals how God intended for his creation to function. Read for yourself. Genesis 1:27-28 2:18-25 5:1

 

[uberd00b]

The creation account recorded in the bible reveals how God intended for his creation to function.

And yet this "creation" doesn't function that way. So either this god you speak of is incompetent, or your reasoning is flawed.

Personally I don't suppose it's possible for god to not have things go exactly as is planned, which leaves only the other option.

As sexuality is obviously (to most people at least) not a choice, this seems to be where your problem is arising.

 

[allhart]

And yet this "creation" doesn't function that way. So either this god you speak of is incompetent, or your reasoning is flawed.

Personally I don't suppose it's possible for god to not have things go exactly as is planned, which leaves only the other option.

As sexuality is obviously (to most people at least) not a choice, this seems to be where your problem is arising.

You take this by chance( atheist! )Wow! The laws of physic just miraculous appeared on your mind and you have every detail ,so enlighten us! Your discerning on life and the bible Try reading

proverbs 1:29-33, Your mocking of God is disheartening distasteful straight out putting fiery coals on your head. Be careful! You will take account for what you say! Jesus is watching you!! You don't even have a plan (It's all by chance) Right! Well you have the (chance ) to change your mind! Knowledge comes from the source, find a church. If you dare take the chance to want to learn Godly wisdom. Try Isaiah 55:8-9

 

[uberd00b]

You take this by chance( atheist! )Wow! The laws of physic just miraculous appeared on your mind and you have every detail ,so enlighten us! Your discerning on life and the bible

Sorry you lost me here.

Your mocking of God is disheartening distasteful straight out putting fiery coals on your head. Be careful! You will take account for what you say!

Let me get this straight, I say God cannot fail to create a universe that operates as he wishes, and you say that he has created a universe that does not operate as he wishes and I'm the one mocking God?

Jesus is watching you!! You don't even have a plan (It's all by chance) Right! Well you have the (chance ) to change your mind! Knowledge comes from the source, find a church. If you dare take the chance to want to learn Godly wisdom. Try Isaiah 55:8-9

I have no idea what the rest of this rant is all about. What is this Godly wisdom? Does it include denying reality? How could it? God made reality right?

What does this have to do with the obvious truth that sexuality is not a choice?